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Date Posted: 10:48:15 11/25/04 Thu
Author: Shane
Subject: Re: I have been meaning to write
In reply to: A Christian Man 's message, "I have been meaning to write" on 23:43:53 11/24/04 Wed

Dear Christian Man,

I will only try and supplement what the previous posters wrote. I was in the Long Beach UBF for 7-8 years. I saw the fate of those that tried to change UBF from the 'inside'. Those people were isolated, slandered and removed from leadership positions. They all, and I mean all eventually left. If you REALLY want to change UBF from the inside, get ready for a rough ride. The UBF leaders have very 'fixed' thinking. And you will not easily overturn decades of indoctrination and groupthink. Are you ready for rejection? Are you ready for isolation? The larger the center the harder it will be. UBF leaders want UNQUESTIONED obediance and like their followers to be passive and to easily fall in line. And they won't want you going around mucking it up. I shared this previously, but I will share it again because it perfectly illustrates the UBF doctrine. Missionary John Kwon once told me during 'bible study' that I must obey him like I obey God. Not all UBF missionaries will be so honest about such doctrine. But it is there nonetheless. Perhaps you are beginning to see such practice.

Although you have been in UBF for 5 years it sounds like you have a previous Christian background. Is that right? I bet you like UBF because of their zeal and tight knit community. You want to totally commit your life to God, is this right? Well, you don't have to be a member of UBF to be committed to God. They are doing many things which are unbiblical and unJesus like. I think their fruit is quite rotten and may explain why their ministry does not flourish.

I hope that you will keep us updated as to your progress. We are hear to help you and share with you are experiences if that helps.

Shane CAIN
ex-member of LONG BEACH UBF

>I have been meaning to write to your organization for
>quite some time now, and I have a few things to say. I
>have been a member of UBF for just over 5 years. I
>have been involved with Christmas Dramas, Friday
>Meetings, Fellowship Meetings and of course one to one
>Bible study etc. You make a valid point that there ARE
>problems within the ministry, and things that need to
>change, but I want to change them from the inside out
>starting with myself. It is true that UBF needs to be
>more Grace centered, and more charity centered, and
>ethnically diverse, and economically diverse as well.
>I am sure that there have been people who have been
>hurt by some (not all) members of the ministry. I
>personally ask your forgiveness on their behalf. I
>believe though that there are many redeeming qualities
>within this ministry, such as emphasis on Bible study,
>and world mission. I also must say that I am a man who
>thinks outside of the box, if some leaders within the
>ministry are hard hearted, then it is up to YOU to
>search your own hearts and forgive them. The Lord
>Jesus said that we must love our enemies, so if you
>have hatred in your hearts you need to realize that
>that is sin. I can not speak for everyone, but I can
>fully and unwaveringly say that the missionary who
>brought me to Jesus is a man of God, and I can also
>say that I love my Lord Jesus very very much. I plan
>on attending a Theological Seminary (probably Moody)
>hopefully next Fall, because I really feel God's call
>on my life to preach the Word of God (I will go no
>matter what any one says). My sincere hope is that
>someday RSQUBF and UBF can come to reconciliation and
>healing in the name of Jesus. I have tried my best to
>start a tiny bit of that process because I personally
>know many great people in the ministry who want peace
>between us. May Jesus give you Grace as well because I
>have seen some things on this web site that have been
>written out of wicked hatred. I have one question. Do
>you put the UBF missionaries that are in places like
>Saudi Arabia and UAE in the same category as ones in
>Chicago?

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Replies:

Re: I have been meaning to write -- A Christian Man, 11:35:11 11/25/04 Thu
- Everywhere -- Mike K., 12:00:09 11/25/04 Thu
- The problem with UBF is more complex -- Anonymous, 19:48:24 11/25/04 Thu