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Date Posted: 07:23:16 10/04/04 Mon
Author: Mike K.
Subject: Points and answers
In reply to: jim 's message, "our arguments are circular..." on 12:26:31 10/03/04 Sun

1. A lot of accusations in this forum have been false, only to add emphasis at how bad UBF is and why you should not join it. Including many empty worded arguments denying from fact.
Please, be specific. Which accusation is false? Whose empty worded arguments deny facts?

2. To say all of UBF is wrong is like saying all Luthern's are wrong. And also is declaring that I am wrong. Please be factual and precise.
That is true. But it's likewise untrue to say all of UBF or UBF as a whole is okay. That would be like looking at a coin in a manure pit and saying the pit is full of gold. Please, excuse these words but UBF has proven to be just that - a tainted unbiblical authoritarian system which merely uses the Bible to legitimize it's unethical antibiblical practices.

3. There exist people in UBF who are false profits. Just as there exists in Luthern churches false profits.

Indeed, but there is the problem that no one dares to point this out, but much rather these people are being flattered and hymns of praseology are brought at these people's feet.
I can and do clearly say that one such false prophet is Peter Chang, current leader from UBF Bonn - Child abuse, beatings, restrainings and a lot of money making are just some of the things which go on his account. But what is being done about it? He's being praised as an exemplary leader, not being rebuked. The top echelon of UBF is fully aware of such an exploitive leader but gives their blessing to him, and as such - they share in his guilt. I do not abide in such behaviour.

4. Being that there are bad intensions in UBF, it would be beneficial to start with each chapter. (I am all for the word of God vs the word of UBF).

Start out with each chapter that is sending tithes to Chicago - which would be EVERY chapter. Let's hold them accountable for diverting funds for inscruitable purposes.

You will, however, find that the underlying philosophy of UBF ("spiritual covering" and "1:1) are unbiblical ideas which originate from Confucianism. When you get rid of the confucianistic roots in UBF, I'm afraid that UBF as we now know it would cease to exist. This fact was also admitted by some UBF supporters but still, a hurting, thorough change towards the Bible is better than staying in a wrong though pleasing disposition for a lifetime.

As a follower of Christ, I am determined to not participate in anything that does not follow Christ.

So am I - well, my advice is: stay in the Word of God and "Test all things, keeping that which is good". I'm sure you will come to terms with the reality of UBF when you thoroughly test them against the Bible. But just pray, I will also pray that the Lord's wisdom be upon you.
Decide in prayer, don't decide anything hasty.
Watch the facts, true faith can not be hurt by an unpleasant truth.
Talk to others, being free to communicate with anyone is one of the gifts of grace.

The thing is. Christ will win. The followers of Christ have overcome the world.
Yes, in the end. Christ will gain His victory. But where do we stand, meanwhile?

In Christ,
Mike K.

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arguments without foundation -- Joe, 09:23:52 10/04/04 Mon