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Date Posted: 11:20:29 08/21/04 Sat
Author: Mitch
Subject: Re: To Mitch and J
In reply to: Joe 's message, "Re: To Mitch and J" on 23:03:02 08/16/04 Mon

Joe,

Thanks for giving me that information. Two of them showed up where I work; the director, and his number one missionary (the one that recruited me). They were so mellow, they started by showing concerm for me, asking if I was ok and acting like I may have been offended by them. I told them that I believed that the Lord wanted me in another church. I told them that a campus ministry is only for certain ministers that the Lord calls, and not everyone should be a campus minister. The director mentioned Samual Lee and how a UBF member married a person that was not apart of UBF; Samuel Lee was furious.

Also, the director said something that I thought nothing of, until I read your story. He said that one time there was a man (in Chicago UBF) with a skin disease, and Samuel Lee tried to help this man by telling him to do certain things (I can't remenber what). Anyway, this man did not get better and (according to this director) the man accused Samuel Lee for his condition and tried to sue him. The point the director was trying to make was that Samuel Lee was only trying to follow the teachings of Jesus (when Jesus put clay on a man's eyes to heal him). The director told the story in defense of Samuel Lee. I didn't think anything of it because I had not read your version of it. Now I can see that the director was trying to defend UBF and convince me that I should not listen to any stories told by anyone other than UBF. The director even mentioned "arranged marriage", saying that the UBF marraiges are much different than arranged marriages; and he of course brought up Isaac's marriage (Gn 24), suggesting that everyone should marry like this.

I have no desire to correct his theology. I just want to leave UBF (which I have already done). This site has helped me see how they have decieved me, all the stories I heard from UBF I have taken for granted, but after reading stories from this website, I see that there is definately another side to the story, and that UBF has hurt many poeple. It makes me angry.

>Their showing up at your place of employment
>unannounced should tell you something about them. It
>at least shows how desperate and dysfunctional they
>are. BTW, how many of them was it that visited you?
>
>I'm not in your position, and was not the subject of a
>surprise UBF visit designed to catch me off guard and
>put on the defensive. But I would have been up front
>about what bothered you such as their attempt to get
>you into a UBF arranged marriage and their seeming
>need to try to constantly control you. And I would
>have told them that their behavior is consistent with
>what has been reported by many other former members,
>and that it is understandable why UBF has such a rel=nofollow target=_blank >href=http://rsqubf.fortunecity.net/documents/external/e
>xternal.html>negative reputation and has been
>thrown out of the NAE.
>
>And then after their inevitable excuses,
>justifications and rationalizations, I would have told
>them on no uncertain terms that I do not want to have
>anything more to do with them. The nerve of them to
>ask you if they did anything to offend you. They are
>either totally blind to what they are doing wrong or
>totally calloused.
>
>>I have not been to UBF in the last two worship
>>services. I gave them bach their stuff. Then I wrote
>>a note to the director. Over the weekend they came
>>over to my house, but I was out of town. I know that
>>because today they surprisingly showed up where I
>>work. They stayed for about 45 minutes. Although it
>>crossed my mind that they would come to where I work,
>>I did not think they would actually do this. The
>>"meeting" was friendly, they wanted to know if they
>>had done something that offended me. I told them not
>>at all, but that I wanted to go to a different church
>>where there were more than just university students
>>(this is true, I have been thinking this since before
>>i found this site). They seem to be ok with that but
>>they wanted to know if it was God directing me or just
>>my own feelings. Then they talked about different
>>churches, he admitted that one ubf member married a
>>spouse that was not a ubf member and Samual Lee was
>>furious. He talked some about tithes and finally said
>>that he thought somehow I was upset at them and just
>>wanted to leave. He recommened that I stay in the
>>fellowship until I receive a specific direction.
>>
>>Either these ubf people are sincerely mislead, or they
>>are con men that are masters of decieveing people. I
>>am confused because they seem so sincere, but after
>>reading so many testimonies on this site I am VERY
>>sure I need to stay away from them. The chapter here
>>is samll, and that is probably why I don't see major
>>problems like other chapters do.
>>
>>Please tell me what you think about their visit to me
>>while I was at work. I do not plan under any
>>circumstances to ever go back there. I have told them
>>very politely that I desire to go to another church.
>>If they visit me again I will have to tell them that I
>>am sure it is God's will for me to be in another
>>church. Can you think of anything else I should do?
>>I know God will deliver me in this matter, and I
>>appreciate the help of all the people on this site.
>>
>>One other thing, I did not bring up any information I
>>have found on this site or others regarding ubf. I
>>feel that if I confront them with it they will say it
>>is false and encourage me to come back. What do you
>>think? If they continue to invite me back, should I
>>just tell them I don't think their fellowship is safe
>>because their lisence was revoked by the NAE? They
>>obviously have HUGE problems, why should I stay, why
>>should anyone stay?

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