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Date Posted: 09:40:49 10/19/04 Tue
Author: Brian Karcher
Subject: Re:
In reply to: Nick T. 's message, "you said goodbye, leave already" on 09:17:02 10/19/04 Tue

>I think Mike is right, you can take the statement at
>face value, but there is a deception wrapped up in
>this face value statement. Brain is trying to say
>that doctrine is not very important simply because
>people debate and often do not agree upon many
>details. So Brain is using the inevitable debating
>over doctrine to stifle any discussion aboutubf
>doctrine.

I am willing and glad to discuss UBF doctrine openly at any time, with any person, and without foolish arguments.

>After all, this whole thread is about doctrine. Is it
>a coincidence that Brain summed up his whole spiel
>with a blanket statement that is is 'foolish' to argue
>over doctrine? The more we spend time and energy
>debating ubf doctrine, the more we will expose it as
>unsound and unBiblical. So to Brain, a defender of
>all of ubf practices and teachings, the best recourse
>is that nobody discuss doctrine ever.

Yes, it is foolish to argue over doctrine. However, the best course is to openly discuss doctrine. If we are going to discuss doctrine, then we must be able to avoid foolish arguments.

It is my claim that UBF doctrine is in line with what is written in the Bible, both the Old and New Testament. The fundamental teachings in UBF may be foreign to some churches today, but they were certainly not foreign to the prophets or the original disciples of Jesus.

What you should probably do is to separate this forum into several sections: 1) a forum for those who oppose UBF on a doctrinal basis 2) a forum for those who oppose UBF on a personal experience basis and 3) a forum for those who oppose UBF on a cultural basis.

Brian.

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