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Date Posted: 00:19:29 09/25/02 Wed
Author: ChicagoX
Subject: Re: Escapees?
In reply to: shepherd mike (easterbrook) 's message, "Re: Escapees?" on 00:17:50 09/25/02 Wed

You are right in that UBF does not teach blatantly false doctrine. Unfortunately there is often a big disconnect between what SLee teaches and what he practices, and as you observed, it's the practices that count. One false teaching, however, is the insistence on obedience to men, especially the "visible" servant of God. And from this false teaching many ills follow. You aren't here to see it, and you haven't been around very long to begin with. If you want a sense of history about the bad fruit borne when obedience to men began to be emphasized in UBF, go to http://www.reformubf.org/registered and read the bulletin board. This false teaching is not in the official UBF statement of beliefs, but it has become the unfortunate cornerstone of the present UBF.

As for what SLee has said in announcements, it's hard to easily dismiss his slander of ex-members and his outright lies about his life as just the products of his personality. The sins we commit with our hurtful and careless words are just as wrong in God's eyes as sinful actions and practices. There are numerous verses in the Old and New Testament which warn us to watch our words. SLee has committed some of his worst sins at the podium. There is simply no comparison with Charles Finney.

Which is it? Do you want people to leave or do you want them to stay? You seem to have bought into the propaganda that those who want to reform UBF are forsaking the campus mission, and thus threatening to tear down UBF. That's just plain wrong. Have you read the reform documents? They can be found at the web sites I mentioned earlier. Don't worry, the reformers don't want to get rid of rebuking, so you'll be rebuked as much as you need and be able to rebuke as much as your Bible students can take. But in a reformed UBF, respect and friendship in Christ will direct the relationships between all members, not blind obedience to man's "direction." Is that "tearing UBF down?" Is the open and transparent use of offerings going to tear down UBF somehow? Is a more democratic UBF going to tear down UBF somehow?

Maybe your concern is that the end of SLee's reign is the end of UBF? In that case, you and UBF have got a serious problem. In that case, you need to examine your loyalty. Is it to an organization or leader? You may feel loyal because you met Christ in UBF. But organizations and leaders do not deserve such loyalty. Organizations are made up of fallen human beings. Organizations and leaders should not be given loyalty, but constant, vigilant scrutiny in the form of checks and balances to make sure they remain faithful to the truth. Only God deserves the loyalty and praise you heap on UBF. Even Samuel Lee said two Sundays ago that he never considered himself a "UBF man," and he's said in the past that if it was God's will, he wouldn't mind if UBF disappeared. He didn't mean a word of it, but at least follow what he says, not what he does.

2/13/01

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Re: Escapees? -- Anonymous in Ohio, 00:21:31 09/25/02 Wed