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Date Posted: 22:32:54 10/03/02 Thu
Author: ChicagoX
Subject: Amy? Bribery? What?!
In reply to: Laura 's message, "Re: WHATS THE POINT" on 22:30:13 10/03/02 Thu

Um, why would the reformers have needed to bribe Amy Young for her testimony if her testimony was already publically available? Are you saying they bribed her and others with the 15 questions and the declaration of reform? Did they send her autographed copies of the 15 questions and declaration framed in pure gold? I don't get you. Or are you trying to say that they paid her to write her testimony? What do you think Amy would have to say about that? I'll let her speak if she reads this. As for Tom Fosler changing the welcome message, I think that with the number of current pro- and anti-reform UBF members like me visiting this site and using the message board, it was appropriate for him to include the mention of an on-going reform movement and historical background. Maybe you didn't notice that the general tone of this site remains that Chicago UBF is a dangerous, cult-like group. I think Tom can speak for himself on this matter. By the way, I wasn't paid to write this or any other message.

So the reform movement is just a Korean power struggle, is it? Now I get to hear this propaganda from Chicago UBF leadership AND from ex-UBF members, too. How wonderful. Do you people know what the currency of politics is? Yes, it's good old greenbacks, dollars, moolah. Do you know who's been throwing the political currency around to buy loyalty? No, it's not the reformers. It's the Chicago UBF leader. He claims to be above playing politics. But by his actions, he shows that he is the one who sees the reform movement as a political struggle. Haven't you read about the "Little Sams" in the reform documents? If you think the reform movement is about making "Little Sams" you are so mistaken.

You still think this reform movement is just a Korean power struggle? Let me tell you what this "power stuggle" has accomplished so far. Dozens of UBF chapters all around the world and the hundreds of UBF members in them are now free. They're free from this authoritarian pressure to obey men, especially one man. They're free from the spirit-sucking ministry of numbers, numbers and more numbers. They're free from having to attend an "international" summer conference where everything in the conference program is decided by one man. They're free from having their offering to God used by one man for who-knows-what. They're just beginning to taste the freedom that Christ died for them to have. You ask what the point of reform is? That's the point. The fact that hundreds have been freed from false teaching and hypocritical leadership already validates that this reform movement has a point. The small movements in '76 and '89 also had a point. Jacob Kim has already described some of the fruit of the '76 movement. The Living Hope Fellowship of Columbus, OH is one of the fruits of the '89 movement. Each reform movement has freed Christians to try to live their Christian lives to the fullest, no longer having to ignore the truth and their consciences for the sake of the "work of God." Their new lives and ministries won't be perfect, but they'll be a heck of a lot better than what we have in Chicago. How blessed they are.

2/20/2001

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Re: Amy? Bribery? What?! -- Gladys Hoffman, 22:33:40 10/03/02 Thu