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Date Posted: 12:05:43 01/09/02 Wed
Author: multiple
Subject: SL's "thought world"
In reply to: rsqarchive 's message, "January 2001" on 10:32:30 01/09/02 Wed

Author: ChicagoX
Subject: SL's "thought world"

Recap of tonight's prayer topics and announcements: On Mo nday, Samuel Lee learned that he had "lost" to the Moscow ministry because they made a +50 in their Sunday attendance and Chicago made a -20. (This would partly explain the supplementary worship service this week.) We should work hard like the Moscow ministry does in spite of the cold and snow and bring many sheep this Sunday.
Number of times that Jesus was mentioned: 0
Number of times that God was mentioned: 0
This is Samuel Lee's "thought world," and unfortunately, we have to live in it.

Author: Jimmy Rhee
Subject: Re: SL's "thought world"

Tape record them! Here is my comment I posted on reformubf. It may give you and other reform-minded in UBF some idea of what you can do:
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Related to my credibility issue, I have heard the leadership of UBF publically making slanderous remarks of those who may be the key eyewitnesses of the facts. I encourage any reform_minded in UBF to tape record such statements. It is criminal to falsely accuse others, or to use private information he gets through the confidential life testimonies. We have to stop such evil practice immediately. If you are just silent, your silence allows him to continue it. If he doen't want any accountibility, he has to know there are secular rulers-criminal justice system- the Lord has ordained, and he has to stand before them, even on this earth.

I wish some of UBF members read this and warn him. I haven't tipped any private and crucial info I had got during my counseling and Bible study with from his own closest ones.

Abortion
issue is an exception. I am still very sorry for it. Even so, it is not private, but public sin that should be dealt publicly if he doesn't repent.

Author: Mary Kim
Subject: Re: SL's "thought world"

The Bible says, "For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks." (Matt. 12:34)

I hope that those who are in UBF will listen to Samuel Lee sometime, and keep track of how many times he talks about money. How many times does he talk about numbers? "Out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks."

Several years ago, an American Bible teacher in Chicago was diagnosed with brain cancer. When this news became known, Samuel Lee announced in a fellowship leaders meeting that now that shepherd would have to undergo chemotherapy and would lose all his hair. Becoming bald, he would look "like an octopus." Many people laughed. I know of at least one person at that meeting who did not find Lee's remarks funny. Is this the way for a Christian pastor to speak about someone in his congregation who has just been diagnosed with cancer? "Out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks."

How many times has Samuel Lee said some outrageous (and unbiblical) thing during "Prayer Topics and
Announcements" and Chicago missionaries and shepherds fall all over themselves to explain what the good doctor "really meant"? After 16 years in UBF, I got to the point where I had to say, "Let Samuel Lee defend his own words."

Isn't it time people in UBF let Samuel Lee's words speak for themselves?

Author: hnwp
Subject: Re: SL's "thought world"

That American shepherd eventually died from the cancer. When he was first complaining of headaches due to the developing cancer, what did Samuel Lee say? He said he was pretending to have headaches because he was lazy. The cancer progressed to the point that the shepherd couldn't pick up things he'd dropped on the floor because his motor skills were being affected. Yet, in the back of many Chicago coworkers' minds, he was still faking it because Samuel Lee said so. Then Samuel Lee had the gall to make those absolutely asinine remarks about chemotherapy. Samuel Lee ceased to be a human being long ago. He is a beast. The worldwide leader of UBF is a beast.

Author: A lover of UBF
Subject: Re: SL's racial slurs

If UBF wants to grow mature, BD Samuel Lee (Please see www.reformubf.org's article about M. samuel Lee's bogus doctoral degree) should stop using racial slurrs and skillful double talkins and discreditting tactics. please tape those remarks. I say this not to accuse him but to help him to stop doing those evil practices. Since not many people in UBF can tell him to correct those things, i am writing. "Love does not delightin evil.." (1 cor 13:6) UBF people, please speak up. that is the way to rescue UBF. Should UBF become a titanic because of one man's thinking?

Author: Anon
Subject: SL's sayings

Remember during the last summer conference when SL gave prayer topics? He told everyone to go and write testimony. He said, "Or I will kill you!" Everyone laughed, but I thought it was strange. Even then I thought it was an indication of how far off in left field he was saying things like that to a crowd of thousands.

Author: Hmmm
Subject: Re: SL's sayings

Strange thing to come out the mouth of someone who commanded us not to kill. Although it is quite possible that the Murderer From the Beginning was speaking through him, and it wasn't Samuel Lee himself speaking. Sane people don't go around saying "Do this or I'll kill you!"

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Chicago Report by Ex-Chicago UBF Missionary -- multiple, 12:16:46 01/09/02 Wed