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Subject: ilm mul klaam Author: Irian [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 10:18:44 09/24/02 Tue Author Host/IP: cache-wit2-hsi.cableinet.co.uk/62.30.192.2 The hadeeth that says that my ummah will divide into 73 sects, 72 in the hell fire, one in paradise. Can you tell me the meaning. Does it mean that every indivual from the 72 sects is in the hell fire or not? second question is What is ilm Mul Klaam? [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Re: seventy-three sects.” Author: moustafa morsy [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:37:16 09/24/02 Tue Author Host/IP: mt.24.171.69.29.charter-stl.com/24.171.69.29 The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The Jews were divided into seventy-one or seventy-two sects, and the Christians were divided into seventy-one or seventy-two sects, and my Ummah will be divided into seventy-three sects.” This was narrated by Abu Dawood in his Sunan, Kitaab al-Sunnah, Baab Sharh al-Sunnah. It was reported from ‘Awf ibn Maalik who said: the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The Jews were divided into seventy-one sects, one of which is in Paradise and seventy are in the Fire. The Christians were divided into seventy-two sects, seventy-one of which are in the Fire and one is in Paradise. By the One in Whose hand is the soul of Muhammad, my Ummah will be divided into seventy-three sects, one of which will be in Paradise and seventy-two will be in the Fire.” It was said, O Messenger of Allaah, who are they? He said, “Al-Jamaa’ah.” Sunan Ibn Maajah, no. 3982. What is meant by al-Jamaa’ah is the ‘aqeedah and actions of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and his Companions. Among the sects that claim to belong to Islam are those who are misguided with regard to the Unity of Allaah (Tawheed) and His Names and Attributes; they say that everything that exists is Allaah and that He is incarnate or present in His creation – glorified be He far above what they say. On the contrary, He is above His heavens, settled on His throne, distinct from His creation. Others are misguided with regard to eeman (faith) and say that deeds are separate from faith and that faith does not increase or decrease. The correct view is that faith consists of words and deeds; it increases when one does acts of obedience to Allaah and decreases when one commits sin. Others are misguided by their declaring that the person who commits sin goes beyond the pale of Islam and is doomed to eternity in the Fire. The correct view is that the one who commits a major sin – apart from shirk and al-kufr al-akbar – does not go out of Islam. Others are misguided with regard to the issue of al-qadaa’ wa’l-qadar (divine decree), and said that man has no choice in what he does. The correct view is that man has freedom of will on the basis of which he will be called to account and will bear the consequences of his deeds. Others are misguided with regard to the Qur’aan, and say that it is created. The correct view is that it is the words of Allaah, revealed not created. Others are misguided with regard to the Sahaabah, whom they revile and denounce as kaafirs even though they are the companions of the Prophet among whom the Wahy (Revelation) was revealed, and they are the most knowledgeable and the most devoted in worship among this Ummah, and they strove in jihaad for the sake of Allaah and Allaah supported this religion through them – may Allaah be pleased with them all. And there are other groups who deviated from the path of Islam and innovated matters in the religion of Allaah; each of them rejoices in what they have, but they have followed the ways of the Shaytaan and gone against the words of Allaah (interpretation of the meaning): “And verily, this is My straight path, so follow it, and follow not (other) paths, for they will separate you away from His path. This He has ordained for you that you may become Al-Muttaqoon (the pious)” [al-An’aam 6:153] We ask Allaah to make us among the followers of the Sunnah who will be saved from the Fire, and to admit us to Paradise among the righteous. And Allah Knows Best.

[> Subject: Re: ilm mul klaam Author: Moustafa morsy [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:57:04 09/25/02 Wed Author Host/IP: mt.24.171.69.29.charter-stl.com/24.171.69.29 kalam kah-lam'; Arab. The word simply means "speech, talk, utterance." In technical usage, however, it early acquired the connotation of "argument. Ilm al-Kalam: a science in which one investigates the Being and attributes of God, and the conditions of possible things with respect to creation and restitution,the issue of predestination (jabr) and free will (ikhtiyar), and that of Divine Justice. The Beginnings of Kalam: Though nothing definite can be said about the beginnings of 'ilm al-kalam among Muslims, what is certain is that discussion of some of the problems of kalam, such as the issue of predestination (jabr) and free will (ikhtiyar), and that of Divine Justice, became current among Muslims during the first half of the second century of Hijrah. Gradually the points of difference between the two groups( the group which believe in JABR &the group which believe in IKHTYAR) extended to a series of other issues in theology, physics, sociology and other problems relating to man and the Resurrection, of which the problem of jabr and ikhtiyar was only one. During this period, the "qadariyyah" came to be called "Mu'tazilah" and the "jabriyyah" became known as "Asha'irah. Pure Islamic beliefs were dirtied, corrupted by the movement called 'Ilm al-kalam." Imam al-Tirmidhi said, in his 'Jami`', "The approach of the people of knowledge from among the Imams, such as Sufyan al-Thawri, Malik ibn Anas, Ibn al-Mubarak, Ibn `Uyaynah, Waki` and others, is that they related these things, and then said, 'These ahadith are related, and we believe in them, and one may not ask 'How?' '. This is the way preferred by the scholars of hadith, that these things should be related, as they have appeared, they should be believed in and should not be interpreted, one should not exercise one's imagination over them, nor ask 'how?' " Early Salafis did not go into details about the attributes of Allahu ta'ala. Ibn Taymiyyah, who was one of the eminent scholars of the Sunni world, gave a verdict declaring kalam and logic as 'unlawful'. Jalal al-Din al-Suyuti, another figure among the Ahl al-Hadith, has written a book called Sawn al-mantiq wa al-kalam 'an al-mantiq wa al-kalam ("Protecting speech and logic from [the evil of] 'ilm al-kalam and the science of logic"). , Malik ibn Anas is another Sunni imam who considers any debate or inquiry about doctrinal matters to be unlawful. Muslims should not read in the books of ilm al kalam,because it is not only wasting of time ,but it also can take the person away of Islam. Allah Knows Best Moustafa morsy .