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Date Posted: 14:48:05 03/08/02 Fri
Author: Dave
Subject: Re: topic 3
In reply to:
j curboy
's message, "topic 3" on 05:21:40 02/26/02 Tue
The Romans were thinkers. Their government plan was almost flawless. That is the main reason they sustained their power for so long. This downfall cannot be blamed on one event. There were plenty of minor faults in the Roman society that eventually led to their downfall. Although this process was very gradual, there were a few events that eventually ruined the Romans. Such as slavery and poor leadership by some of the emperors.
In the beginning of their reign, the Romans seemed like they would rule forever. It seemed as though they were invincible. The Romans knew they were an intimidating force so they conquered every little weakling civilisation they could find. This worked for quite some time. And then came the slaves and then went the Romans flawless society. A few cases of bad leadership tossed them in the trash. They were much like the French, who seemed to have a good empire going until bad leadership killed their reign as well. The Romans would not have lasted as long if it wasn't for their government which provided other leaders besides the emperors. The government protected the empire from one man ruining it. It took many men over many years to finally force the Romans to throw in the towel.
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Re: topic 3 -- Justin Neel, 20:54:12 03/08/02 Fri
The Romans lasted for so long for several reasons, and if you bear with me, I will list those reasons. One, their government was well liked during it's time, they gave people food and money when they ran out of food and money, they gave people entertainment when they all were bored, and they maintained the military as well. The surrounding civilizations were so incredibly scared because "Romans like to get revenge." No matter who attacked them, the Romans would want to get revenge, and revenge is what they got. And by law, everything that goes up, must come back down, and down they came. They attacked Zama, took the men, women, and children as slaves. They sold the slaves, and by this time, there were so many slaves in the great and amazing Rome that the price of them started to drop drastically, and with the price of slaves dropping, the economy drops. When the economy drops, people get fed up with the government, lose money, lose houses, go bankrupt, government is no longer liked, etc. So then come the emperors, and emperors they were, good old Octavian, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, and Nero. Some of the emperors were bad, and not liked, but the one liked the worst was Caligula, a bad kid that one. He just completely lost it and started executing people like it was "going out of style." Even his royal guards didn't like him, and nature took its place, and he woke up dead. So the five emperors go by, and more and more, a bunch of them executed, and economy drops, and Rome just comes to a screeching halt, and is no longer on the top. Another reason they stayed on the top for so long was, they would just copy ideas from other civilizations, and make them better, so they kept their city well maintained, and their people entertained, therefore keeping the government liked, and they stayed on top.
Of course this all can be related to several modern cultures, so lets just stick with one, The United States of America perhaps, the great and amazing number one. So we beat the British in a Revolutionary War and gain our independence, big deal, so we defeat Germany twice in two of the two world wars, big deal, we are on top for a while. At this very point, the United State's economy is dropping, it's obvious just by looking at the stock market, and pretty soon, or maybe even now, the government will start to be disliked, people get un happy, nature takes place, people lose homes, people dislike government, government can not deal with people, and the great and amazing's pole position is lost, and civilizations that are rising right now, like Russia, will soon be in power, that is why the Romans stayed on top for so long, and that is exactly what's going to happen to The United States of America.
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Re: topic 3 -- Justin Neel, 06:32:57 03/10/02 Sun
( i dont know if its too late, the first was a quick colloquial draft)
The Romans lasted for so long for several reasons, one of which is that their government was well liked during it's time, they gave people food and money, however when they ran out of food and money, they gave people entertainment. And when the citezens were bored, they maintained the military as well.
The surrounding civilizations were scared because of the roman phylosophy of getting revenge. No matter who attacked them, the Romans would want to get revenge, that is exactly what they got. When the Romans attacked Zama, took the men, women, and children as slaves, and sold the slaves back in Rome. In Rome, at this time, there were so many slaves in Rome, that the price of slaves started dropping. When the price of slaves dropped, the economy dropped, because it was cheaper to employ slaves that didn't as for pay, then pay many roman citezens to work for you. Roman Citezens got fed up with the government, because of lost money, and lost houses. These are not good things, and subsequently, the government is no longer in the people's favor. So then the government changed to a monarchy type structure. They had emperors, and some were, Octavian, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, and Nero. Some of these emperors were bad, but the one disliked the most was Caligula. He was mentally unstable, and bored, and in a desperate attempt to find humor and entertainment, started executing people left and right. Even and especially his royal guards disliked him. As any polite Roman does unto one they dislike, the guards did to Caligula (they killed him). So the five emperors come and go, and many of them die unnatural deaths. The economy is still dropping, and Rome's culture and society come to a screeching halt. In short, they are no longer on top.
Another reason they stayed on the top for so long was, they would just copy ideas from other civilizations, and make them better, so they kept their city well maintained, and their people entertained, therefore keeping the government liked, and they stayed on top.
These behaviours can be related to several modern cultures, for example: The United States of America. The USA beat the British and gain our independence. The USA survives a vicious civil war, and comes out as one country, proving its strength. They move on to defeat Germany and Japan twice in both of the world wars. The USA is on the top of the world for a while. At this very point, the United State's economy is dropping. It's obvious by the stock market's drops, and soon enough, the government will start to be disliked. Then people will become unhappy, lose homes...ect. Eventually, the great USA's pole position is lost, and civilizations that are rising right now, like Russia, will soon be in power. This is why the Romans stayed on top for so long, and this is exactly what could happen to The United States of America.-Justin
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