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Date Posted: 19:50:35 03/27/01 Tue
Author: cezoram
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Re: "Call to the Nations" Speech
In reply to: Bill 's message, "Re: "Call to the Nations" Speech" on 06:19:03 03/27/01 Tue

>
>Another part of Grant's sermon which disturbed me is:
>
>"All of this is hard, but still we
>must seek to give voice to that which causes division
>between us, to remove the barriers that keep us from
>being brothers and sisters."
>
>Give a voice to those things that divide? What sense
>does this make? If you give a voice to those things
>that divide you, those things will only divide you
>further. You cannot remove barriers, if you give a
>voice to those barriers, and allow them to be more
>prevalent. Such an idea of giving a voice is rather
>ridiculous.
>
>If a person really wants to remove barriers, he must
>work at silencing those things that divide, even to
>the point where those things have been eliminated.
>
>cezoram
>
>
> >color="#000099">Sorry can't agree. If you and I have a
>problem, and neither of us ever mention it, we will
>never advance into a better relationship. It will be
>like an inflamed wound infecting everything. Sometimes
>a source of infection has to be lanced so that the
>wound can heal.
>
>Grant is simply saying that he realizes the damage
>that was done. It is necessary to acknowledge past
>wrongs in order to obtain forgiveness and get beyond
>them.
>
>Bill

Bill,

I guess I do not see it the way that you do. I feel that when you give a voice to something, you give it your attention so that it can do what it intends to do. That which Grant was speaking of is that which divides, according to Grant. If you give a voice to those things, you give those things an opportunity to do what they desire, which is to divide. On the other hand, if you bring those things that divide, to the attention of all those concerned, so that you can remove those things, you are not giving them a voice, but rather pointing out those things that should be discarded without further disscussion on those things.

Also, I don't understand why Grant is the spokeman for all the white men that have treated Native Americans poorly in the past. I don't think that Grant could represent all the white race anyway. How can he ask forgiveness of the Native Americans, unless he has done something against them? His apologies, although perhaps done whith good intentions, is rather shallow and inadequate.

Further, Grant says that he and all the others inherit the past and that which was done to the Native Americans. How can this be? I am not responsible for what my ancestors may have done. And what happens if my ancestors did not ever mistreat the Native Americans of the past? Am I to assume the past of some other person's ancestors? Can anyone say, "Scapegoat"? I do not see a reason to apologize for people who are long dead. I live in the NOW. I live today. Should others judge me by what they think my ancestors did? Judge not unrighteously or you will be judged unrighteously.

Cezoram

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Replies:

Re: "Call to the Nations" Speech -- kathy, 21:30:54 03/27/01 Tue
- Re: "Call to the Nations" Speech -- cezoram, 10:18:23 03/28/01 Wed
Re: "Call to the Nations" Speech -- somebodyotherthanglen, 13:41:06 03/28/01 Wed
- Re: "Call to the Nations" Speech -- cezoram, 16:47:43 03/28/01 Wed
  - Re: "Call to the Nations" Speech -- somebodyotherthanglen, 13:51:26 04/03/01 Tue