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Subject: Desire (and metronomic meta-music) Creates Suffering

Author:
Ken

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Date Posted: 09:26:48 12/20/02 Fri
In reply to: John 's message, "Another sleepless night" on 05:20:43 12/19/02 Thu

John, have you tried meditating? (That's mediTating, not mediCating). I don't have time for shit lately, but I did squeeze in a viewing of Kundun, and it reminded me of your interest in Buddhism. It also reminded me of your intense dislike of Philip Glass. I enjoyed the film well enough based solely on subject matter and some reasonably good acting, but I was still disappointed with the film itself. Ambitious, but not successful. Agree? Disagree?

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[> [> Subject: Re: Desire (and metronomic meta-music) Creates Suffering

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Jeff
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Date Posted: 10:00:05 12/20/02 Fri

As John personal therapist :)
I am confident, Ken, that John will tell you 'Yes' he does meditate. (Maybe he should consider medicate...but that involves doctors and perscriptions, and I believe John is still on a pretty tight budget for that.)
If money was no object, I believe John could use some personal/professional coaching. I can't recall the name, but there is course one can take that tests your skills and abilities and determines what best suits you, regarding career.
I believe John has mentioned he has taken some such career focused services..but I'm unsure on the intensity of the program.
It seems like John is still trying to find his muse OR find and plan out a course of action and have the courage to face the music and make it happen.
Maybe reading through this time of R.Moore's Warrior,King, Magician, Lover. Seek the archetypes and their powers - Use the Magician to envision your life,with the wisdom and confidence of the King and the drive and committment of the Warrior...get up and make it work.

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John
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Date Posted: 14:55:58 12/20/02 Fri

Ken, your reminder for meditation is a good one. I stopped months ago when I began working double and triple shifts and haven't found my way back yet. Now I have plenty of time as works slows down immediately before christmas. Your suggestion is well timed. Yes, it helps immensely.

Kundun certainly isn't a cinematic masterpiece, but is well worth taking the time to see. I think very few people have any understanding of who the Dalai Lama is and what his world was like. Kundun illustrates that very well. Does it ultimately fail? I don't think so, although the subject matter sets the expectation bar rather high. Only so much can be covered in a film of conventional length. I think it invites the viewer to learn more about the Dalai Lama, the history of Tibet, and Buddhism.

I'm interested to hear your opinion of this film. What didn't work for you? What would you have done differently? What were the short comings?

As for Mr. Glass, I'm definitely not a fan. The music for Kundun wasn't as relentless and domineering as his other works, so it didn't ruin the film for me. I actually like ONE work by Glass, the soundtrack to Candyman. He uses more transitions, variations and motifs in this single work than the rest of his oeuvre combined. Of course, it's still mechanical. I think it works because the music is as disturbing and horrifying as the subject matter. :-)

Jeff, I am philosophically opposed to psychiatric medication except in extreme cases. There are clear and concrete reasons for my depression. I prefer to work through those reasons instead of dulling the pain. Cost is no longer an issue since I'm so poor I now qualify for medical coverage from the state.

"It seems like John is still trying to find his muse OR find and plan out a course of action and have the courage to face the music and make it happen."

Jeff is spot on for the first part and completely off on the second. I can't make "it" happen until I know what "it" is. I have no fears on this account.

Could I profit from personal/professional coaching? You bet! Where do I find it? As for interest inventories and aptitude tests I think I've taken them all. I now know that I'm a INTP (actually on the middle of the continuum between [T]hinking and [F]eeling) on the Myers-Briggs test. My interests and education make me perfectly suited to pursue a career as a filmmaker. I excel in the Social Sciences. No surprises all around. I'd like to learn what jobs could come close to being fulling experiences for me and if they are available to me with less than 6 years of additional training/education.

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Author: Curt [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 12:06:41 12/21/02 Sat John, how about getting your teaching credential and teach at a high school or Community College? I could really see you teaching World History, Art History, Psychology or Literature. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Suggest a Career for John

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Jeff
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Date Posted: 21:24:59 12/21/02 Sat

Late on the draw there Curt, I suggested that to John a good 2 years ago...shit..he could be teaching those kids by now. I hear over and over the need and the importance for male teachers, but its not John's thang. (I don't mean to come across like I'm answering for John, I'm just throwing my two cents in as I usually do after someone responds.)Whatever you come up with, good chance John and I already talked about it. But keep those cards and letters coming. The only I can think of that we haven't covered is:
Working for the CIA or FBI
Painting Houses
Professional Tour guide
A crack addict
Nail sculpting
A roadie

Maybe its a matter of going back to the beginning. Lets start with the question #one:
John, what the FUCK do you want?

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Jeff
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Date Posted: 21:38:35 12/21/02 Sat

My interests and education make me perfectly suited to pursue a career as a filmmaker. I excel in the Social Sciences. No surprises all around. I'd like to learn what jobs could come close to being fulling experiences for me
and if they are available to me with less than 6 years
of additional training/education.

Of course your interest and education make you suited to pursue filmmaker....you got a degree in Cinematography, but it hasn't gotten you any closer to being a filmmaker so I'm confused on that part.
Regards to the other fullfiling experiences for you with less then 6 years of additional training/education...have you looked into these? What are these things? If you haven't looked, then why the hell not? Why haven't you looked or researched this through?
On the other hand, if you've done the tests and know what you are 'suited' for ....well then it seems like its something else thats getting in the way.
I'm just asking some of the hard questions so maybe some new answers or new insight can surface or maybe not and it'll piss John off. No, I'm not doing it on purpose.

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Curt
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Date Posted: 00:14:34 12/22/02 Sun

John, why don't you create several versions of your resume tailored for different industries and submit them (for free) to Monster.com? Then if job offers roll in you'll have some options. If some of the jobs pay well, you can pay some bills and save up some coin while you decide what you want to do.

I haven't decided what I want to do when I grow up yet, but at I am making some coin. If nothing comes up, at least I'll be set for my retirement. Pragmatism should be paramount at this stage of the game. Pay bills and prepare for the out years now, and pipe dream later. I haven't given up on my dreams, but I don't let them interfere with obtaining food, clothing and shelter.

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