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Date Posted: 13:36:03 06/20/05 Mon
Author: all
Subject: responses
In reply to: Araninda 's message, "Episode of the Week- Lifeline. . .Inside" on 13:18:25 06/20/05 Mon

The only comment I have is on #5. I noticed that when Mac brought up Renee, she seemed jealous at his answers. When Harm said he was beginning to see that Renee was good for him, Mac changed the subject fast. When Harm said he talked to Renee about Jordan's death, Mac seemed disappointed to me like she wanted Harm to need to talk to her. (NT) -- RitaB/8, 21:09:52 06/17/05 Fri

Ive never seen Renee and Mic so scared and insecure.LOL! I love this episode after Fairwinds. (NT) -- Reese, 00:13:06 06/18/05 Sat

Harm says what he wants most is to never lose her. And Mac promises no matter what, he never will. Question: Did she keep that promise? Did he ever lose her at any point in the series? In a way, yes, she did keep her promise - considering she never married someone else or made herself completely "off-limits." However, that being said, I believe that he did lose her for a while after Paraguay; her "never work out between us" comment, combined with her new relationship with Webb, separated them emotionally. Luckily, they renewed their friendship shortly after Christmas (thanks to Mattie; Mac's assistance to Harm re: custody was the turning point for them). Harm says that Mac was supposed to wait as long as it takes. What did he mean by that line? As long as what takes? I believe Harm's "as long as it takes" really meant "until we're both ready to make the leap together." Either CB or DJE once said in an interview that the 'thing' about Harm and Mac's relationship was the frustrating fact that when one was finally prepared to make a commitment, the other was unavailable. I think that's what Harm meant when he said that... "as long as it takes... for us to work it out." -- DJEgirl, 21:12:00 06/17/05 Fri

Lifeline is definitely a 5 for me. They were so close to being open and honest with each other on that porch, if each one could have given just the tiniest bit more. The longing they had for each other just seemed to be captured in that closing scene of their hands almost touching but not quite. So close yet so far. (NT) -- Hollyjp, 21:20:28 06/17/05 Fri

1)I give it a 5 definitely. 2) The teaser in the courtroom was another of the cryptic 'take it any way you want' lines we got back then.3)I think it was important for Mac to know about Sydney because that night changed everything for her, she gave up and turned to Mic(grrrr)4)I think it could have been done, or at least begun in Sydney.5) Mac thought Renee helped him 'loosen up' I think, but I I also think she was baiting him subconsiously , to hear a negative about Renee. (thats why the 'look' after he answered her. 6) The complicated/simple argument was just a way for both of them to hedge when things got to intense. It made them step back. They had know they were opposites since almost the beginning. They enjoyed their differences until different people took them different places.'Whew what was that??? LOL 7) In my opinion in season nine, Harm lost her...and she lost him as a result. I couldnt read any endearment between them after Webb, It was really awful.I hate that season and I never rewarch it. that EOTW is going to be tough. 8) I really dont understand that line...I had a lot of frustration with him at that point...Harm being cryptic again. If he could have just said one more thing to explain, like something about fearing leaving her behind the way his mother and he were. Something. I really didnt get that...it just added to my frustration.-- mkim, 21:35:54 06/17/05 Fri

Definitely a 5!!! This is the ep that really got me totally addicted to JAG. I was a goner as soon as I saw it. I'll wait until later to comment on most of your questions (my brain is frazzled after a long busy work week) but I will say something about #2. If you apply the dialogue to their own relationship, it shows how neither one knew where they stood with the other. That scene, to me, showed how much they *needed* to have that conversation on the porch in order to clear up some misunderstandings.-- JAG Junkie, 21:39:52 06/17/05 Fri

I meant to add that this ep also made me want to see Mic & Renee hook up so that H & M could continue to explore their relationship! LOL! (NT) -- JAG Junkie--in multiple episodes TPTB seemed to hint that Mic & Renee had things in common and got along quite well., 21:59:06 06/17/05 Fri

Lifeline is a GREAT big FIVE!! The first time I saw it I yelled at the TV the entire time...I laughed, I cried, I peed my pants....It was an emotional rollercoaster for me.
Mac wanted to know why Harm backed away because that was THE thing that sent her off in another direction. Regardless of whether you think she should have understood Harm-- she didn't. She thought he was pushing her away. If she could understand why he did that then maybe she could feel a little less unsettled about marrying Mic...cause she obviously still isn't happy as she should be about her pending marriage. Harm obviously feels the same as born out by his thoughts in What if....Everything would have been different if they decided they loved each other. I think they take turns making simple things complicated...
Some would say that Harm lost Mac after Paraguay-- but I don't think she ever expected him to break off all contact with her. I think she expected their friendship to go on as it had before. They had avoided the romance thing all that time and I think she assumed they would go back to the way they were. So-- I don't think she broke any promise to him because I don't think losing his friendship was what she wanted. In What if Harm says-- I always thought there was time-- and I think that's what he thought when he wanted her to wait as long as it takes...for things to be less complicated..for him to have worked out some issues...I think he wanted her to wait, but I think he knew that it wasn't really a reasonable request when no assurances were offered with it.-- manette, 21:42:28 06/17/05 Fri

I give this ep. 5 because to me is the first time they remember that they have history in common, and feelings. I always thought that Mic and Renee are outsiders, they are there but the real story is between H/M. The conversation in the porch, out of the engagement party, show that. They need to clear the air but without any luck because at the end they are more confuse and frustrated that the begining.We are lucky because the second time they remember their life from The Rose Garden to FWFS they do it right. (NT) -- Gra, 21:54:10 06/17/05 Fri

I coulc never believe that Harm talked to Renee about Jordan's death. (NT) -- Rjay, 22:04:40 06/17/05 Fri

He did...but as I remember it wasnt a pleasant comversation. Something like 'Am I going to have to die before you love me too'...or someting like that. I never liked Renee much but that night I really hated her.. (NT) -- mkim, 22:40:40 06/17/05 Fri

I'll give this epi a 5 for obvious reasons, but also, it was the first time I posted on the HB! I'll take a stab a #3. Mac couldn't figure out why Harm backed away...she had at least some inclination that he might take her up on her offer. After all she said, We (or you, I could never decide which it was)just still can't let go? That, to me, indicated she believed he was at least interested. His backing off was the continuing mystery she could never figure out...why he backed off in Sydney and why he could never let her know when the time was right. She never did know for certain that he had come to love her by FWFS, hence her statement to Harm's question. He asked her the one thing *he* could never figure out.I think he had some misgivings about her wanting him and asked, "Of all the men in your life, what was it that attracted you?" She said, "Well they wanted me and they let me know it." Sydney colored her interpretation of all the other events in their personal relationship together. Whereas to other women, some of the things Harm did would have been an obvious gesture of love, Mac needed him to "let her know it." especially since in her mind he had let her know the answer was "no" in Sydney. She asked the question in LL and he answered but I don't think she thought his answer was a good one.-- JO (going to bed now, not sure i'm making sense), 22:37:39 06/17/05 Fri

I give this 5 stars too and I remembered when LL aired my nonshipper friends and I were really shocked TPTB went there. Harm and Mac at court in the beginning was so ironic of their own situations. This episode really made it official that Harm and Mac are very much in love with each other but they couldnt do anything about it because of DPB.This was a point of no return for TPTB. And Brumby was right Harm,AJ and Bud were all in love with Mac.Harm is hot as hell in this episode.Mac so lovely. They were passionate and magnetic. Harm really lost control that night. What a kiss it is. (NT) -- nonshipper new alias shipper, 00:30:14 06/18/05 Sat

#4 (sort of) I've always wondered what would have happened if when their hands touched at the end, she reached for his and said softly enough for him only to hear that she couldn't marry Mic. Would Harm have responded to her, Would he have realized what she was trying to tell him? I think so, especially after the conversation on the porch. On that porch an understanding was reached about how each felt. Yet for the relationship to progress expediently in the right direction he needed to know from her that he wouldn't be rejected and she needed to know that he really wanted her at that point. Unfortunately they didn't take that last step. JMHO.-- cheriejagman, 00:39:53 06/18/05 Sat

How could I not love LL? It kept me going for years. I've written so much about what I did like, so here is what I didn't like much. I didn't like the Bud slapstick, and always fast fwd through those scenes. I liked the flashbacks when they made sense of what was going on with H and M, but could see no reason for adding in AJ's flashbacks. What was the point? I would love to have seen more H and M scenes, that might have enlightened us to what they were thinking. But sigh.....that look when Harm says "Mac, you forgot your glove." And then the palm caress. Sublime. (NT) -- Cece, 05:18:05 06/18/05 Sat

Sigh, yeah, LL. I lurked at Maeve's in those days. I remember that even most antishippers admitted we hadn't made the DD's feelings up. I actually LIKED Mutiny (not Muttonchopped Mic) because I thought it gave us confirmation of how troubled Mac was about the marriage. I always wondered if Mic insisting on the Cecil B. DeMille epic wedding she wasn't into was to keep her from focusing on the marriage. How many guys really give a hoot? If you're bickering about what flavor the wedding cake is, you don't have time to worry about five years later. (NT) -- CM>^.,.^< LL, M, AD1&2 were probably JAG's best storyarc--well, until the last two minutes of AD2 anyway, 07:10:48 06/18/05 Sat

I agree about that being the best story arc. Probably the peak of the mountain for JAG. Loved the way the theme of a "lifeline/noose" was carried through all 4 eps. It was like a classic novel that could be discussed by referring to great literary themes. The acting was great, the production was excellent, the emotional sweep was a rollercoaster ... very well done. (NT) -- The Chief, 09:16:23 06/18/05 Sat

I agree about Mic and the wedding, CM. Mac had made it clear that she wanted small and simple, yet he insisted on rivalin Charles and Di. It was one of the things that convinced me he was a really bad choice for Mac. (NT) -- Ann, 12:26:20 06/18/05 Sat

Sorry I didn't get a chance to peek in last night. A little too much drugs and too much surgery. But I have to give this episode a 5 of course. Infor tunately, there are jsut way too many questions for my pain medicated brain to answer today. I really loved the epi and thought that HAE did a wonderful with directing it. (NT) -- Martian Barb off to lala land now!, 11:25:55 06/18/05 Sat

I'm going to give this one a 4. Lifeline is one of the first episodes I remember watching. My son was explaining to me that Harm and Mac really love each other but she's engaged to Mic. My first thought was, Is she nuts? 3) Every time I see this ep, I wonder again why Mac is pushing Harm since she's not going to break up with Mic no matter what Harm says. I guess she wanted some confirmation that she made the right choice in Sydney.
I don't think H&M would have worked if Harm hadn't backed away. I don't think either one of them was ready for all the changes that getting together would have entailed at that point. Mac is trying to convince herself and Harm that he can be happy with Renee just like she's trying to convince herself and Harm that she can be happy with Mic.
7) No, I don't think she kept that promise. I don't think she meant to break it, but she did, IMO. She really misjudged how Harm would react to "Never" and her subsequent relationship with Webb. I don't think she realized that Harm was at the point where he could no longer watch her with other men, especially with a man he had thought was a friend of his. I think she spent a lot of season 9 trying to get a reaction from him, but until Trojan Horse, he just let things slide off his back for the most part. Once she said, "You didn't fight me" all I could think of was that old Joanie Summers song "Johnny, Get Angry." I don't think that it ever occurred to Mac that Harm was going to try to move on with his life once AJ cut him adrift. I think she thought that they could still be friends; after all, they had stayed friends when she was with Mic. I think she missed the point that things were different - Harm had never been friends with Mic; he still had his naval career. Having lost everything that meant anything to him after Paraguay, Harm had to distance himself. She never understood that, IMO. 8) As long as it takes for both of them to be ready. I think that Harm felt that in Sydney Mac was more interested in nesting than in with whom she was nesting. I think he knew he wasn't ready right then, for all sorts of reasons . I don't think Harm ever wanted anything less than forever after with Mac.-- Ann, 12:43:05 06/18/05 Sat

IA with you on #8. What I fault him for (and still do to some extent, my patience w/this "type" is nil) is that he would never tell her. In his own egotistical way, he simply expected her to wait until he was ready for forever, even if that meant she sacrificed her dreams.(NT) -- CM>^.,.^< I think "as long as it takes" was the worst and most egotistical and self serving line Harm ever uttered, 12:54:11 06/18/05 Sat

A bit of dialogue that I think reflects on how they saw things differently-- Harm says-- 'I just..I don't know why you had to go to him so fast.' Mac-- 'So fast? I've waited and I've given it a lot of thought. Probably more thought than I should have.' I think this shows that Harm felt she ran from him straight to Mic-- and that Mac didn't consider anything with Mic to be serious for quite awhile especially since it took her 10 months to accept his proposal. (NT) -- manette, 16:39:59 06/18/05 Sat

Great questions...a 5...definitely...interesting how the finale took a similar directorial approach...three cheers for DJE! "As long as it takes"...for both of them to become mature enough for each other. They had to get to the same place coming from different perspectives...equally valid, but different. (NT) -- psych9, 10:44:39 06/19/05 Sun

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