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Date Posted: 14:04:41 09/23/00 Sat
Author: Jona
Subject: Re: Heirarchy!
In reply to: Mokoshan 's message, "Re: Heirarchy!" on 07:41:10 09/23/00 Sat

> Gameplay design is already done? Wow, you guys are
> fast... heheheh

Gameplay design... basically the idea is who's going to decide what variables are needed, and what view to aim for (We're currently hoping like hell we can get it so you can choose between views). That's what I meant by gameplay. In an actual business, the programmers just put an algorythm into code after the designers make it up. This, of course, won't be quite as demanding, but we've still got the basic idea there. The designers are the ones who -ask- 'could you make so and so race, and remember, no gunpowder' or 'couldja make them run with a bit wider a stride'. Stuff like that.

> Just a suggestion here from experience... If you
> don't let those building the actual pieces of the game
> in on conception, you'll have either A) dissention, or
> B) misunderstandings. And trust me, you don't want
> yer programmer to misunderstand you... Its not
> pretty...

(-everyone- will have a voice in the conception, having a design group is merely to prevent having to get all those people to vote on something, and waiting MONTHS to get a reply, thanks to ICQ's being a dunce, RL issues, and people who forget their email password.)
> > The other groups are the
> > important ingredients, but someone has to put them
> > together to make that yummy fuzzy candybar you're
> > making me think of.
>
> Aye, but if you find me a programmer without a super
> ego that won't get pissy when told to do something, at
> least without being paid for this something, then a
> group just to lead and make things up will not work.
> The only way it would work is if the person telling
> the others what to do was also working, and must be
> working in the visible sense that the others can see
> the leader's work. That's the key element behind my
> idea. The leaders actually do the bulk of the work.
> Your group that I believe you want to have leading
> everyone else is the Research group, which should for
> the most part call meetings and give out information
> and tasks. In my group they hold a good deal of the
> sway, as they're the ones telling the graphics folk
> and programmers and such the ideals behind the game.
> They're there to keep everything organized and running
> smoothly, but can be challenged a little easier than
> if they were thought of as the "leaders"...

(Leaders only in the sense that they 'negotiate' between groups, especially when there's personal conflicts involved. As for 'working', they'd also end up being 'cleanup' and replacement crew. This, obviously, would be where I would be situated, as I have the general concept in my head, and I have information and experiance in all the other areas, including a hint of programming.)

> I know it sounds kinda stupid, but after I was in a
> group with three "leaders" who never talked to one
> another and told me different things and pretty much
> brandished that because they were on the project
> before I was (they were aboard for a week longer than
> I, but hadn't actually contributed anything other than
> the occasional comment on what they would like in a
> game), they were more important than the guy designing
> the avatars...

(Fully understandable. Its like the education system. Seniourity and senility over skill and energy. You'll find I try and spread the influence to everyone, not just pockets of people, if that's what you were worried with.)

> > An notion I came up with last night was to actually
> > give seperate parts of each area to specific people
> so
> > that all the facts add up. If we actually manage to
> > get enough of a team in on it, I'd like to have
> people
> > 'owning' a single race or mini-group of races, with
> > the head of the project being there to make it work
> > with the other races. This'll also make it easier
> for
> > 'warring factions' to contribute without arguing with
> > eachother over their ideas on a race.
>
> I like this idea, but I don't think it should be done
> by races... I think it should be done by the broad
> tasks... The races should be assigned specifically to
> a Researcher, who would then advise anyone who needed
> to know what the collective (lower your shields and
> surrender your weapons... errr, sorry... heheh) group
> wants out of the race.

(Hrmn, well, what I'm seeing is that it would be a little harder to vary the cultures... also its alot to place on a single person--thus why I noted possible groups of races sey into cultural groups.)

> > Thanks, Moko, for the outline, and be free and all
> > that.
>
> I kinda also wouldn't mind knowing who else is on this
> other than Jona and Drackyn... heh

(Pretty much those who've posted on this board... and only to that degree mostly..)

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