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Date Posted: 09:49:02 11/01/02 Fri
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In reply to:
Warspite
's message, "Re: Dreadnought Vs VSD" on 08:28:37 11/01/02 Fri
>>Hey guys I just watched that episode the other night.
>>Okay Yes the ability to destroy a small moon is good.
>>Yes is had warpdrive, and so could evade typical
>>imperial defenses. However the "fleet" sent to stop
>>the Dreadnaught was only 15 fighters.
>
>Just to be really picky, it was a 'fleet' of 15 ships
>and Voyager. :)
>
>>The battle was
>>faught at impulse. The Dreadnaughts offensive weapons
>>seemed to be typical cardassian spriral disruptors
>>that had trouble with Voyagers shields. While Voyager
>>didn't seem able to stop it they could slow it down.
>>In its final phase it droped out of Warp and locked on
>>to its target heading in at impulse.
>
>I agree this is its most vulnerable phase. The VSD has
>little chance of destroying it before it drops out of
>warp. But in the final phase of it's attack it is
>vulnerable. The question then becomes, can the VSD
>destroy it fast enough, before it hits the target. We
>saw that the latest photon torpedoes and multiple
>phasers did nothing. Likewise, the Rakosian (sp?)
>fleet also achieved nothing. There was not even any
>suggestion that Dreadnought's shields had been even
>weakened. That implies pretty powerful shields.
>
>>This would leave
>>it vulnerable to the VSD. I do think that yes the VSD
>>could stop the weapon, but Coruscant does have
>>planetary shields that could stop a blast far more
>>powerful than the cardassian warhead could deliver.
>
>Actually I doubt it would get to the shields. There
>are more than enough defence platforms around
>Coruscant to do the job, unless the shields on the
>Dreadnought are even more powerful than we know.
>
>>Remember the Death Star was designed as a siege engine
>>for use against "Fortress-class" planetary defenses
>>that would leave a conventional fleet of warships
>>helpless.
>
>As I've always understood it, fleets of ships are not
>helpless against planets like Coruscant. They can
>defeat the shields and defences if there are enough of
>them, but it will take a long time to drop the
>shields. In that time, the are going to be taking a
>lot of hits, and losing a lot of ships. Superweapons
>like the Death Star simply mean that a fleet of ships
>(and there heavy losses) are not needed.
>
>>Although not directly mentioned in the movie
>>this was mentioned in the 1984 "A Guide to the Star
>>Wars Universe". Since nothing was ever mentioned to
>>contradict this book and it makes since because that
>>what a seige weapon does, breach seemingly
>>impenatrable defenses. I think that any planet with
>>planetary shields would fare quite well against planet
>>killer weapons at least for a few shots.
>
>Depends on the weapon. Against something like
>Dreadnought I would agree. However, I'm not convinced
>that there are shields powerful enough to take more
>than one or two hits from weapons like Death Star
>superlasers, Species 8472 planetkillers or the Genesis
>device.
>
>>Hopefully
>>other defenses could be brought to bear in time to
>>neutralize it before it could muster up another planet
>>obliterating blast.
>>Anyway yes I do think that a single Victory star
>>destroyer could stop a warhead type weapon, using Ion
>>cannons to "bypass" the shields and knockout key
>>control systems like sensors or the main computer
>>which might cause premature detonation or it to be
>>disabled enough for TIE bording craft or zero-G
>>stormtroopers to take control of it as Belana Torres
>>did. Or pound it with heavy concussion missiles from a
>>comfortable distance once its controls were fried.
>
>Be careful. We're not 100% certain that ion canons do
>'automatically' bypass shields. The '1 shot-1
>penetration' example from Hoth could simply be due to
>the high power of the planetary based weapon.
>Certainly in other examples we do not see automatic
>bypass of shields.
>
>Also, whilst ion cannons may penetrate SW shields,
>that does not mean that they will automatically
>penetrate ST shields which operate on very different
>principles. In VOY:Resistance, Voyager takes ion
>blasts from a planetary cannon without damage.
>Obviously we don't know the power of the weapon (it
>might be 1000x more or less powerful than the Hoth
>cannon), but the blast certainly didn't automatically
>'bypass' Voyagers shields.
I shall remind you of the episode where the defiant was destroyed by a Breen Ion Canon!
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