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Date Posted: 20:47:24 11/01/02 Fri
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In reply to:
Warspite
's message, "Re: Dreadnought Vs VSD" on 08:28:37 11/01/02 Fri
>>Hey guys I just watched that episode the other night.
>>Okay Yes the ability to destroy a small moon is good.
>>Yes is had warpdrive, and so could evade typical
>>imperial defenses. However the "fleet" sent to stop
>>the Dreadnaught was only 15 fighters.
>
>Just to be really picky, it was a 'fleet' of 15 ships
>and Voyager. :)
>
>>The battle was
>>faught at impulse. The Dreadnaughts offensive weapons
>>seemed to be typical cardassian spriral disruptors
>>that had trouble with Voyagers shields. While Voyager
>>didn't seem able to stop it they could slow it down.
>>In its final phase it droped out of Warp and locked on
>>to its target heading in at impulse.
>
>I agree this is its most vulnerable phase. The VSD has
>little chance of destroying it before it drops out of
>warp. But in the final phase of it's attack it is
>vulnerable. The question then becomes, can the VSD
>destroy it fast enough, before it hits the target. We
>saw that the latest photon torpedoes and multiple
>phasers did nothing. Likewise, the Rakosian (sp?)
>fleet also achieved nothing. There was not even any
>suggestion that Dreadnought's shields had been even
>weakened. That implies pretty powerful shields.
>
>>This would leave
>>it vulnerable to the VSD. I do think that yes the VSD
>>could stop the weapon, but Coruscant does have
>>planetary shields that could stop a blast far more
>>powerful than the cardassian warhead could deliver.
>
>Actually I doubt it would get to the shields. There
>are more than enough defence platforms around
>Coruscant to do the job, unless the shields on the
>Dreadnought are even more powerful than we know.
>
>>Remember the Death Star was designed as a siege engine
>>for use against "Fortress-class" planetary defenses
>>that would leave a conventional fleet of warships
>>helpless.
>
>As I've always understood it, fleets of ships are not
>helpless against planets like Coruscant. They can
>defeat the shields and defences if there are enough of
>them, but it will take a long time to drop the
>shields. In that time, the are going to be taking a
>lot of hits, and losing a lot of ships. Superweapons
>like the Death Star simply mean that a fleet of ships
>(and there heavy losses) are not needed.
>
>>Although not directly mentioned in the movie
>>this was mentioned in the 1984 "A Guide to the Star
>>Wars Universe". Since nothing was ever mentioned to
>>contradict this book and it makes since because that
>>what a seige weapon does, breach seemingly
>>impenatrable defenses. I think that any planet with
>>planetary shields would fare quite well against planet
>>killer weapons at least for a few shots.
>
>Depends on the weapon. Against something like
>Dreadnought I would agree. However, I'm not convinced
>that there are shields powerful enough to take more
>than one or two hits from weapons like Death Star
>superlasers, Species 8472 planetkillers or the Genesis
>device.
>
>>Hopefully
>>other defenses could be brought to bear in time to
>>neutralize it before it could muster up another planet
>>obliterating blast.
>>Anyway yes I do think that a single Victory star
>>destroyer could stop a warhead type weapon, using Ion
>>cannons to "bypass" the shields and knockout key
>>control systems like sensors or the main computer
>>which might cause premature detonation or it to be
>>disabled enough for TIE bording craft or zero-G
>>stormtroopers to take control of it as Belana Torres
>>did. Or pound it with heavy concussion missiles from a
>>comfortable distance once its controls were fried.
>
>Be careful. We're not 100% certain that ion canons do
>'automatically' bypass shields. The '1 shot-1
>penetration' example from Hoth could simply be due to
>the high power of the planetary based weapon.
>Certainly in other examples we do not see automatic
>bypass of shields.
>
>Also, whilst ion cannons may penetrate SW shields,
>that does not mean that they will automatically
>penetrate ST shields which operate on very different
>principles. In VOY:Resistance, Voyager takes ion
>blasts from a planetary cannon without damage.
>Obviously we don't know the power of the weapon (it
>might be 1000x more or less powerful than the Hoth
>cannon), but the blast certainly didn't automatically
>'bypass' Voyagers shields.
Okay I will agree to that up to a point. While the source of my information comes from the roleplaying game, nothing in the movies was ever shown to disprove that understanding, which is why I included it. Jawas also used Ion guns on droids Stormtoopers called them DEMP guns. but you are right don't know how Trek shields would react to Ion weapons. We do know Ion storms are very dangerous to Trek ships this was shown in several episodes. Once I saw an episode of [VGR] where a Borg sphere was heavily damaged by an Ion storm, So not even Borg technology can adapt to Ionization damage. Ion damage can be absorbed by shields in Wars but they don't provide any protection from other types of energy weapons. Another tidbit from the rpg.
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