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Date Posted: Wed 2003-08-27 10:08:45
Author: Redeye
Subject: How will that make it more enforceable?
In reply to: Biff 's message, "It needs something. Something to make it enforceable," on Wed 2003-08-27 03:46:24

First, cut the militia part. If the article talks abotu the people, then militias are an extension of that given the right to associate.

Second, I view gun rights as purely an issue of crime, which is exactly why one of the Specialized Legislatures deals with gun control, the idea being that if guns help reduce crime then there'll be less gun ctornol whereas if they only create crime there'll be more gun control.

Third, gun control has nothing to do with making constitutions enforceable. Germany, France, and Japan are democracies with good civil and political liberties scores and strict gun control. The only first-world democracy with a constitutional right to bear arms is the USA, which is also the one that's becoming more dictatorial.

Fourth, look at Weimar Germany for a second. It fell due to many reasons, among which are the stab-in-the-back myth about WW1, the Versailles treaty, the conservative elites, the Great Depression, and Hitler's rhetoric. However, a few motnhs before Hitler came to power in 1/1933, President Hindenburg entertained the idea of cracking down on the Nazis and restoring Germany by imposing martial law. He couldn't, because the Nazi SA had 2 million members, 20 times the size of the army. Weimar Germany, in other words, fell partly because it allowed militias and privately-owned guns to proliferate.

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It makes it enforceable period. -- Biff, Thu 2003-08-28 02:30:46
- I hereby refer you to http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~zj5j-gttl/guns.htm -- Redeye, Thu 2003-08-28 20:00:53
  - P.S. -- Redeye, Thu 2003-08-28 20:02:49