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Date Posted: 10:45:11 01/21/10 Thu
Author: MaryAnne
Subject: Re: Actually
In reply to: Jeffman 's message, "Actually" on 08:00:23 01/21/10 Thu



Good points, Jeff,but we would not be in such deep doo doo if we had not entered two wars without paying for them. Now,I see the Adminstration is doing the same thing.

If the war is ended soon I will agree,but I do not think it will. I see this Administration just following along with what we have had the last 8 years.

You will have to excuse me, I am not thrilled with either party at this time.And I blame Congress for most of it, with Obama sharing some of the blame.I think he is trying,but the Lobbyists are too much in control. His secret deal with PHARMA and the Insurance companies at the beginning was a big mistake.
On the financial mess I think he is doing OK.



>I am for increasing the troop strength in Afghanistan.
>What we cant do is walk away from this as if it didnt
>happen. We have done it before and what we get is
>having to go back in years from now again.
>
>So although I long for peace.... unless we are willing
>to shut our borders period, we wont have it unless we
>follow through in Afghanistan. We can end the wars but
>we have to end them the correct way. Abandoning the
>peoples of these countries to the despots that will
>take control if we do leave is the wrong answer.
>
>Second.. do you really think that money for the war
>would have been spent on education and healthcare? We
>didnt spend that money there during the economic boom
>periods.. why would we do so in any other time?
>
>>I am not a Tom Hayden fan,but he makes sense in this
>>one.
>>
>>Dear Mary,
>>
>>As another year of war rolls in, I want to thank PDA
>>for its continuing pressure on the pillars of power
>>which prevents these wars from escalating further and
>>poses an important political obstacle to the Pentagon
>>and Administration.
>>
>>It’s not simple. Study is required, to be sure.
>>
>>But the Long War of fifty years against Muslim
>>countries where radical Islamists operate, and where
>>the oil flows through tankers and pipelines, is not
>>hard to grasp. That’s a continuous war through 13
>>future American presidential elections.
>>
>>If Bilmes and Stiglitz project a three trillion dollar
>>cost for Iraq and Afghanistan, you have to wonder
>>where the money is coming from. It’s from education
>>and health care, for starters. If 6,274 Americans have
>>died in Iraq and Afghanistan thus far, it’s not hard
>>to imagine 10,000 dead by Obama’s second term.
>>
>>That is, if the president wins a second term. The hope
>>of the Obama presidency depends on ending these wars.
>>The hope of our domestic agenda depends on ending
>>these wars as well.
>>
>>Obama has offered us a centrist proposal, to which we
>>should pay close attention. On the one hand, he is
>>sending 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan, which we
>>should urge Congress to oppose by supporting Barbara
>>Lee’s HR 3699 (to cut funding) and Jim McGovern’s HR
>>2404 (exit strategy). On the other hand, he proposes
>>to begin withdrawing troops in 18 months, which we
>>should support and hold him to. No one in the anti-war
>>movement supports the President’s escalation, but we
>>should be very aware that his withdrawal plan, however
>>weak, is his concession to the peace movement and is
>>absolutely loathed by the Long War advocates.
>>
>>Don’t forget Iraq, where the president is on track to
>>withdraw all American troops, and where political
>>ambushes lie ahead. Nor Pakistan and Yemen, where
>>secret wars, secret deaths and secret costs are being
>>hidden by the master of secret operations, Gen.
>>McChrystal (whose five years in Iraq are classified).
>>
>>The Cheneys and Liebermans and Fox News want to chase
>>al-Qaeda from Iraq to Afghanistan to Pakistan to Yemen
>>in a weird revival of the old domino theory. It’s
>>almost as if our hawks are agents of al-Qaeda, so
>>thoroughly do they pursue the al-Qaeda strategy of
>>exhausting the American economy and stretching our
>>armed forces to the breaking point.
>>
>>Here are two ways you can help the peace effort go
>>forward: first, sign and circulate this petition and
>>join The Peace Exchange (for now, go to my website,
>>www.tomhayden.com). In addition to pressuring Congress
>>and the administration, these are ways to link up with
>>a global peace alliance pressuring the NATO war
>>alliance, city by city, country by country.
>>
>>Thank you for persevering for peace. The Long War will
>>require a longer peace and justice movement.
>>
>>For peace and justice,
>>
>>Tom Hayden
>>PDA Advisory Board member

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