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Date Posted: 13:29:14 07/15/09 Wed
Author: Jeffman
Subject: Re: Everyone does that but Medicare is far better.
In reply to: Mary Anne 's message, "Re: Everyone does that but Medicare is far better." on 08:41:01 07/15/09 Wed

First... nice to see you posting Maryanne.

Now on to my response. When everyones payroll taxes are 20% higher or more than they are today.. dont say I didnt mention it. In the UK there is a 20% tax just for national insurance. Thats a tax on gross income. So for me that comes to more than double what I pay today for health insurance for my family. This would also come out of my wifes income so we would actually be paying about 4 times what we do today.. or more.

Yeah out of the box it wont be that high.. but it will be and its going to be expensive. Im telling you that they are underestimating the cost by far.

>Jeff, we are already paying for other people's health
>Care.They go to the Emergency room and do not pay a
>dime.It comes out of the pockets of those who have
>health care and are paying for it one way or the
>other.Through lower wages,or out of pocket and those
>costs are going out of sight.
>I understand how you feel,but something has to be done.
>Senator Kennedy's committee just passed their version
>of the bill.
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>>Someone paid for it.. it wasnt free. Just because you
>>didnt have to come out of pocket doesnt make it free.
>>Medicare paid for it and Medicare is slated to go
>>belly up and thats without all these millions of
>>people who will go on the new healthcare plan.
>>
>>The other shoe is soon to drop. Contrary to what
>>people think, healthcare is not free. Its going to be
>>costly and so far they havent found enough pennies to
>>pay for it. Even with all the new taxes on the table
>>it still hasnt paid for itself. That means even more
>>taxes somewhere and that will probably mean a new
>>payroll tax. Quite frankly Im a bit ticked off that it
>>will probably be people like me paying for everyone
>>else to have healthcare. You know, people that go to
>>work every day...while some slacker who doesnt do crap
>>and doesnt want to do crap will get free healthcare
>>off my dime. My daughters boyfriend is a great example
>>of that kind of person. I dont see what she sees in
>>him. He got out on a mental medical (he planned it....
>>I really should forward their emails to the Army) from
>>the Army and now draws unemployment. Is he job
>>hunting.. nope.. not until his 17 months of
>>unemployment runs out. And there are thousands more
>>just like him out there.
>>
>>>I didn't have to get a referral to go to the back
>pain
>>>specialist to have injections. Didn't cost me a
>penny
>>>out of pocket.
>>>
>>>I can choose whatever health care provider or
>>>specialist.
>>>
>>>When I had cataract surgery earlier this year, it
>>>didn't cost me a dime. Between Medicare and AARP,
>>>there was no out of pocket. Same thing when my
>>>husband had pancreatities. He went in via the ER
>>>thinking he was having a heart attack. All the tests
>>>and the specialist plus the hospital were paid
>>>100%--no out of pocket.
>>>
>>>If you google "AARP msgazine" you can read online
>>>several articles on health care in this month's
>issue.
>>> There are at least 8 myths and one of them is a
>>>national health plan would mean socialized medicine.

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