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Date Posted: 10:00:39 08/12/09 Wed
Author: Jeffman
Subject: Re: What irritates me about the health care debate
In reply to: Paul Davis 's message, "What irritates me about the health care debate" on 17:03:45 08/04/09 Tue

I agree Paul. Ive said it myself. Everyone wants this but all too many only want it if its free. Well guess what? Its not going to be free. No where close. Also expect that the upper and middle class are going to be holding the bill for everyone else.

will it be cheaper than what we have today? I dont know and I dont think anyone really knows at this point. It could be cheaper and then again it could be much more expensive.

>Is primarily two things, and the lack of any real
>national discussion on these items is simply
>poisonous, IMHO.
>
>First, the insistance that there will be "no tax
>increase" blah blah blah.
>
>Oh, get over yourselves. If I'm suddenly required to
>buy something, that I didn't have to buy before, and
>this requirement is set up by law, then it's a tax.
>If that tax isn't collected by the government, it's
>still no less a tax. This whole business of "taxes
>not collected by the government" is a major pain in
>the ass, frankly. And it's big big big business for
>the insurance companies. Car insurance is a tax.
>Health insurance is going to be a tax. Carbon caps
>are a tax. And not having the tax collected and
>administered by the government means a totally
>inefficient taxation system and a helluva lot of
>wasted money in the process, just to maintain the
>illusion that "we aren't taxing you".
>
>Second is the idea, implicit in the debate, that
>insurance companies "deserve" huge profits, as much as
>they can scam out of the public. GIVE ME A BREAK!
>This is NUTS! Insurance companies have a captive
>clientele, the purchase of their product is MANDATED
>and they beg (force) Congress for disaster
>declarations whenever they can manage it, so they
>don't pay, the taxpayer does. Insurance companies
>should be managed as public utilities were in the
>fifties, 5% profit per year guaranteed, and nothing
>over that allowed. Since they actually have capital
>requirements of about nothing (since utilities aren't
>allowed to speculate in the markets) they could make
>that much off simple investment in guaranteed bonds,
>year over year. Good Grief!
>
>This has to be the most ridiculous "debate" anyone has
>ever seen, and it's based on pussyfooting around the
>above facts while keeping the campaign contribution
>money coming down the pike! ARRRRRHHHH!

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