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| Subject: Well, prepare to be unsurprised | |
Author: Ed Harris (London) | [ Next Thread |
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] Date Posted: 08:33:50 01/20/05 Thu In reply to: Andrew(Canada) 's message, "disgraceful..." on 06:05:54 01/20/05 Thu It is really happening everywhere, not least Britain itself, where the systematic attempt to remove the royal insignia from virtually everything is enjoying great success. Police officers' oaths of allegiance have gone. The prison service is to be its next victim, with the initials HMP to be removed shortly. Also, a new Stasi-type organisation called SOCA (Serious Organised Crime Agency) is to be set up, in the Bill to create which a clause has been slipped in stating explicitly that it is to owe no allegiance to the Crown. The government is very cunning here, since it replaces an allegiance to the Crown with an allegiance to the PM or Home Secretary, which neatly gets rid of the idea that the State has interests beyond, and of greater permanence than, those of any political party. Those who work for the state - whether as civil servants, soldiers, or police officers - are supposed to work for those interests and specifically not for a political master. Removing allegiance to the Crown means that the equation changes and public servants find themselves instead to be the servants of whoever happens to be the PM. Hell in a hand-cart, chaps. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |
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Author: Ian (Australia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 11:10:12 01/20/05 Thu Does your government not understand the difference between democratic governance in the name of the people and a feudal appropriation of power by whoever happens to have won the election lottery? This is exactly the sort of thing I complain about here in Brazil, always pointing out that our system isn't like that. If Britain doesn't give a damn about democracy, then who the hell is going to? Why in the name of Bruce don't you people form a plausible alternative to Blair? [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Dave (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 11:56:28 01/20/05 Thu Here are some quick answers... “Does your government not understand the difference between democratic governance in the name of the people and a feudal appropriation of power by whoever happens to have won the election lottery?” Oh yes, they understand. That’s precisely why they’re doing it. “Why in the name of Bruce don't you people form a plausible alternative to Blair?” I find the Conservatives plausible, it's just the media that does not. If Blair gets in again, I would be surprised if we do not have our own El Presidente by the end of the decade. With regard to the eradication of our heritage and symbols, the Government also wants to remove the word Crown from the Crown Prosecution Service. The Serious Organised Crime Agency, or SOCA as it is being called, will take over the law enforcement responsibilities of HM Customs and Excise. Therefore, they will probably disappear too eventually. The Parliament of the People’s Republic of Alba yesterday approved the changes to Britain’s legal system. The House of Lords is being replaced by a “Supreme Court” as the final civil court of appeal in the UK. It sounds very continental doesn’t it? [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ian (Australia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 12:07:01 01/20/05 Thu >>“Does your government not understand the difference >>between democratic governance in the name of the people >>and a feudal appropriation of power by whoever happens to >>have won the election lottery?” >Oh yes, they understand. That’s precisely why they’re doing it. Sorry, I should have asked "does your voting population not understand ..." >>“Why in the name of Bruce don't you people form a >>plausible alternative to Blair?” >I find the Conservatives plausible, it's just the media that does not. They could be perhaps just a tad less wishy washy on the EU. "Do we want to sign up to the gradual erosion of our democratic system or not? Hang, on, we're still thinking about that." [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Jim (Canada) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 12:17:29 01/20/05 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Jim (Canada) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 12:21:44 01/20/05 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ian (Australia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 12:28:58 01/20/05 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Dave (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 12:48:35 01/20/05 Thu The problem with the Conservative attitude to the EU is that their party is not united on the issue. I feel they are as skeptical about the EU as they feel they can get away with, without a number of MPs crossing the floor like the idiot whose name escapes me did this week. You would then have the has-beens of Heseltine and Clarke (who despite being collectively responsible for the Conservatives most unpopular policies in the last Government, seem to be held in high esteem by the media) polluting the airwaves with their Europhile nonsense, and creating more damage to the party. Despite the fact that they seem to be between a rock and a hard place, I agree that they should come off the fence and declare that a referendum on withdrawal from the EU would be undertaken, should they form a Government. This would put the UKIP threat out of business, and would force those undecided Britons into a choice between a Federal Europe, or out of Europe. I think this would be a positive psychological development amongst the electorate. Their policy of “In Europe, not run by Europe” is contradictory, unachievable, and frankly farcical. I believe they know this, but they are too scared of the Labour propaganda machine to come out and say so. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |