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] Date Posted: 13:27:30 11/21/04 Sun In reply to: Ed Harris (Venezia) 's message, "Hm." on 13:05:11 11/21/04 Sun [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> Subject: Depends on what you mean by "educated", I guess | |
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Author: Ian (Australia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 15:06:45 11/21/04 Sun "Educated" as distinct from, say, "highly trained in a skilled profession". Take my brother, for example: he wrote the programme that ran Sydney's public transport system during the 2000 Olympics (quite well, apparently), but he also manages to believe that the world was created by some sort of deity in 6 periods of 24 hours, and that anyone who fails to agree with him on this is probably concealing horns and a tail somewhere about their person. (I have never asked him how Noah fed the koalas on the ark. I must do that one day when I am in the mood for a civil war.) [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Extremism versus credulity | |
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Author: Ed Harris (Venezia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 15:13:27 11/21/04 Sun I think the problem here is not our definitions of "educated" but our definition of "extremism". For example, those quaint Bible Bashers in Tenessee can refuse to teach "The Origin of Species" as the only theory about the emergence of life, on the grounds that the old Bible is another Theory... but they are only extremists when they insist that others accept the same barmy thing and bash them over the head with heavy objects when they refuse to do so. Similarly, your brother may accept the Biblical creation myth, but, unless he runs amok in the middle of Sydney with a Bible in one hand and a battle-axe in the other rather than quietly getting on with religion is his own way and in his own drawing room, then he can't be an extemist, in which case the business about education surely doesn't apply. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: okay, so frothing at the mouth doesn't count | |
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Author: Ian (Australia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 15:17:06 11/21/04 Sun Since he is not known to have actually decapitated any of his interlocutors, I suppose I must accept that he is merely a private fanatic who funds the teaching of myths in science classes, rather than a true extremist. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Dave (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 15:42:15 11/21/04 Sun I get uneasy with people trying to define “Educated” as one who subscribes to one’s own world view. Religion is the preserve of the individual, and is a matter of faith. This is distinct from that which is learned or experienced. We can see from all professions, from science and engineering, to artists and writers, that religion is not the preserve of the “uneducated” any more than atheism is the preserve of the “educated”. There's a danger of some intellectual fascism here. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: David Hicks [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 16:51:43 11/21/04 Sun A friend of mine is in cancer research, but believes in a six day creation... If God is omnipotent, perhaps he could create the whole lot in six miliseconds! Anyway, this man is educated, and works in the medical profession on things a little higher than GCSE biology... I don't know where he thinks cancer sits in God's creation -- maybe a result of the Fall. Still, a bright and pleasant man, and very good in his field in which evolution is not the main concern, but the future... [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> Subject: You have no idea which view is correct. Do not mistake correlation for evidence. Bigger theories and ideas than evolution that have been held far longer have been overwhelmingly discredited before. | |
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Author: Roberdin [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 16:51:45 11/21/04 Sun [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Nope | |
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Author: Ed Harris (Venezia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 20:48:35 11/21/04 Sun I believe that blowing people up, because they do not believe what I believe, is wrong. This is as close to a moral absolute as I get. I have no idea which religion or principle is 'right', and as a concomitant necessity I can not accept that one belief justifies the extermination of someone who holds another belief. The conclusion which I draw from this is not that we shouldn't believe anything, but that we shouldn't blow people up. And we can only reconcile belief and perceived unbelief if we foster a culture in which no one cares what anyone else believes. When I meet people and find out that they are Muslims or Christians or Socialists or vegetarians or people who think that Louis Vuitton is cool, or any of the other beliefs which are a complete antithesis to everything which I believe to be true: I just don't care. Off you go and don't have an abortion; worship the image of an early-Roman execution device because some politically mischievous carpenter was nailed to one; refuse to speak to your children if you find out that they're gay... just so long as you don't expect me to do any of these things, you have my blessing, or, rather, my indifference. That is my side of the social contract: the other side is that the people who hate abortions/common sense/homosexuality treat my pro-choice/Christo-sceptic/gay-tolerant beliefs with the indifference (and ergo tolerance) with which I treat their beliefs. Quod erat demonstrandum. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: I'm not disagreeing with you... | |
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Author: Roberdin [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 21:06:02 11/21/04 Sun Do not presume your view is accurate and do not insult other the views of others. It's essentially in agreement with you. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |