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| Subject: Man of the Century, yes. | |
Author: Michael J. Smith (Canada) | [ Next Thread |
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] Date Posted: 20:19:29 01/24/05 Mon In reply to: Paddy (Scotland) 's message, "CBC archives..." on 22:34:39 01/09/05 Sun Churchill was the most important, greatest political figure of the 20th century. Although let's get a couple of things straight here: No figure had a greater affect in world politics than Hitler (who here disagrees?); No figure helped us more against Hitler than Stalin who threw 27 million Russian lives against him (albeit, all for the wrong reasons); And no figure helped us more for the right reasons than Roosevelt (although any American leader would have post Dec 7, 1941). And I'm sorry, but the combined British Imperial Services did not come halfway to America's 30 million men (or whatever the real figure) in uniform; But who, prey tell, led us when it mattered, when the chips were down (I mean in a big friggin way), whose back was against the wall, who inspired us during the greatest calamity against freedom ever, when we (the Empire) were all alone in the world. Our survival against tyranny was won more because of the decisions of 1939, than the actions and resources of 1944. It's more than a bit lame to say that Churchill was the "greatest figure in the history of the world" (what, you mean greater than Jesus Christ?), but he was inarguably the single greatest figure of the 20th century. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |
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Author: Aussie [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 02:15:08 01/25/05 Tue when the chips were down for Australia, when we (Australia and New Zealand) were all alone, Churchill sold us out. He may have saved Britain, but he damn near lost the ANZAC nations. God bless America and god bless Roosevelt. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ed Harris (London) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 02:16:48 01/25/05 Tue [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Michael J. Smith (Canada) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 20:34:38 01/25/05 Tue The difference between us is that I take the larger view, Aussie. Perhaps historically it's easier for a Canadian to do this, since in 1939 it was my good fortune and perspective to live right next door to America flanked on either side by oceans against tyranny, unlike that of Australia or Britain. Nobody sold Australia out. Do you think the Poles, Norwegians, Dutch, French, Danes and Benelux countries forever whine to us because "we sold them out" in our failure to defend them. The Czechs are the only ones that can legitimately say that they were sold out by the Brits to ensure Britain received "Peace in our time". Australia doesn't have one freakin shred of credibility to back up this preposterous claim, a claim that it doesn't make (because of its decency and self-respect) were it not for the pathetic and unmanly clamourings of people like yourself. What, you thought he should have just ignored Europe and sent the whole friggin fleet to save Australia at the expense of Europe? You're a bloody sorry example of courage under fire, man. Churchill's leadership saved not only Britain, but saved Europe, Africa and the Middle East (ensured there would be an Israel at least). What he did not and could not save was the British Commonwealth Empire, the very thing Aussie purports to claim screwed Australia in its time of need. But as history shows, other nations had a greater need at the time. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |