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] Date Posted: 18:31:10 11/05/04 Fri In reply to: Owain (UK) 's message, "thats a little random" on 18:27:55 11/05/04 Fri "How the unification of Britain came about doesnt really matter, were talking about the CANZUK" Well, let me put it another way. Australia, New Zealand and Canada were conquered and had most of their natives killed off and lands taken. The same processes happened in the "UK" bit, but perhaps not taken to the same extremes. At least the Welsh and Irish aren't minorities in their own countries like the Maori or Aborigines (the Cornish are now though). Come to think of it, when you talk about this Commonwealth thing, do any of the natives of CANZ actually back the idea? Even a handful? [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |
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Author: Owain (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 18:36:49 11/05/04 Fri Well I doubt any of these natives have even heard of the idea seeing as only a handful of "non-natives" have. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Roberdin [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 19:37:06 11/05/04 Fri Define natives. No-one is indegienous to anywhere, save for Africans. We are not here to discuss the pros and cons of the British Empire, which has long been consigned to politically correct dusy. My sympathies lie with these people, but then, what are we going to do? Offer compensation to people who have been dead between six-hundred and 150 years ago? All we can do from the past is learn from it; and one of its many lessons is that we are stronger together than apart. We have worked successfully together for many years. Geography and Politics has pushed us apart. We are in no way suggesting the annexation of these countries. We are proposing a strong, federated, localised, and democratic union, hopefully under the benevolence and tradition of the Crown. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Curnoack [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 20:23:01 11/05/04 Fri "No-one is indegienous to anywhere, save for Africans. "We are not here to discuss the pros and cons of the British Empire, which has long been consigned to politically correct dusy." B-r political correctness. Thousands slaughtered! Their lands taken... the descendants of the natives of these places living sometimes in dives and poverty... the results are still there. The politically correct brigade usually are white and middle class and trying to steal these people's culture too! [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Roberdin [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 20:41:27 11/05/04 Fri I don't support Political Correctness. In my opinion, if someone wants to say that gays/criminals/homeless/drug users/ethnic minorities/fireworks are the cause of global warming, mass extinction, and the use of CFCs, go ahead, whether a few EU politicans agree with you or not. Freedom of Speech and all that. However, as I said - or rather, inferred - we cannot possible be held liable for the actions of our forebearers. I might add that the British were certainly not the only nation participating in this regard, and nor were they worst. The nations discused within the FCS - the Crown Commonwealth - all have adequet levels of social security and education to combat poverty. Other nations are not relevant to this discussion; I refer you to the British Empire Forum [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ed Harris (London) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 01:22:46 11/13/04 Sat May I ask, since you seem utterly opposed to every opinion expressed on this forum, to the whole concept of the FC, and to all the values of anyone remotely connected with this movement, why do you consider it a daily imperative to visit the forum? I do not frequent White Supremacist Forums, or the Catholics Against Homosexuality Forum, or the IRA Sympathisers Forum, or the Al Qa'eda Helpful Suggestions Forum, because (a) I know that my input would never be welcome, appreciated, or even relevant, and (b) I would end up spending a large proportion of every day reading things which would make me go beserk, and ergo reduce my quality of life. Might I suggest that you set up your own forum? The Anti-FC Forum, for example? Or the French Politics Can Work In Britain Too Forum? Or perhaps the There is Nothing In Our History Of Which To Be Proud So We Should All Commit A Mass Suicide Of 120 Million People To Atone For Our Sins Forum? Or, best of all, The I'm Opposed To Anthing Which Anyone Might Say On Principle Forum... [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ian (Australia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 19:48:08 11/05/04 Fri Obviously we can't deny that the cultures currently existing in Australia, New Zealand and Canada are the products of colonisation. We should then admit that English culture is also a result of a long process of invasions and assimilations. What's more, the Irish, Welsh and Cornish cultures are also all products of an earlier wave of invasions and colonisation. None of this is reversible. Sending Australians of European ancestry “back” to Europe is no more plausible or rational than sending all Celts back to Austria, where Celtic culture appears to have arisen. In Australia, there is evidence of distinct waves of people arriving over periods of tens of thousands of years: the people we call “Aboriginal” are not all one, just as the people we call “European” are not all one. In New Zealand, the Maori colonised and enslaved the Moriori, many of whom still live on the Chatham Islands. So, who are the good guys and who are the bad guys now? None of this is reversible: we have to start from where we are. An “independent” Australia has not been good for the Aboriginal peoples – that is my country’s greatest shame – so there is no real reason why they, as a group, would want to keep the current political arrangement rather than be part of a larger grouping. If you asked Aboriginal people whether it would be a good thing for “white” Australians to have to share power with people from New Zealand, Canada and the UK, a lot of them would probably say “they could hardly do a worse job than the lot we have now.” I hope that a Federal Commonwealth will result in my people becoming a bit more open minded about our relationship with Aboriginal people. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Brent (Canada) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 21:22:25 11/05/04 Fri Curnoack - Read your history of Canada and you will find that aboriginal peoples here have more of an affinity with the Crown than with some of the local governments. "The Great Mother", Queen Victoria, was the reason why Sitting Bull immediately after taking out Custer at Little Big Horn - lived in Canada, dealt with the Mounties, for years without incident. Crees in northern Quebec have made clear that if les Quebecois wanted to separate, they weren't going anywhere. They view the federal government in Ottawa as the inheritor of the Crown's authority. While you're at it, do a Google search on the names Joseph and Molly Brant... [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |