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] Date Posted: 20:56:38 11/05/04 Fri In reply to: Curnoack 's message, "Cornwall - no joke..." on 20:35:28 11/05/04 Fri Originally England used to be about 10 countries... Cornwall happened to join later... [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |
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Author: Curnoack [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 21:05:59 11/05/04 Fri "Originally England used to be about 10 countries... Cornwall happened to join later..." Hitler would have liked England to be a later part of Germany... didn't make it so. Cornwall still has a degree of identity that no other English county has, a legal status none of them have, an independence movement (as opposed to devolution) which none of them have (even if it is smaller than Scotland and Wales), its own living indigenous language, which no other English county has an equivalent of... I could go on. Cornwall is not the same as Kent or Yorkshire in those regards... [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Roberdin [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 22:06:58 11/05/04 Fri The FCS, for the most part, will probably support yourselves having a regional assembly. Several people have agreed that this is perfectly alright, indeed, better for everyone else (for population voting reasons), should the majority of Cornwall agree to it. However, there is a difference in the analogy you've used there - Hitler lost. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Roberdin [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 22:15:24 11/05/04 Fri Yay! Stick with British then; I do. In fact, I despise people that treat England as either a separate soverign entity from the UK or as synonomous with it. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Curnoack [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 22:16:40 11/05/04 Fri "The FCS, for the most part, will probably support yourselves having a regional assembly. Several people have agreed that this is perfectly alright, indeed, better for everyone else (for population voting reasons), should the majority of Cornwall agree to it." If you do, then you are good people, and I may even have some sympathy... "However, there is a difference in the analogy you've used there - Hitler lost." This is true, but William the Conqueror won, and made England part of Normandy for a while. Peter the Great won, and made Ingria into Russia. (Ingria is the area around Leningrad). [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ian (Australia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 22:08:14 11/05/04 Fri Curnoack, I want my small country to be part of something bigger so that it doesn't get lost in a world of big players. You (I gather) want your far smaller country to stand by itself. I don't know why. I am happy to stack up layers of identity - there is no contradiction for me in being a Sydneysider and an Australian and a member of the Commonwealth. I'm not sure that I follow why you see Cornish and British identities as contradictory. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Curnoack [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 22:12:16 11/05/04 Fri "I am happy to stack up layers of identity - there is no contradiction for me in being a Sydneysider and an Australian and a member of the Commonwealth. I'm not sure that I follow why you see Cornish and British identities as contradictory." It's easier to reconcile Cornish and British than Cornish and English, as many of the Scots and Welsh do. In fact the Cornish are the original "British" before the Anglo-Saxon Germans came and drove us off the land, and stole our name. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ian (Australia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 22:18:21 11/05/04 Fri Yes, but this seems to me like something that happened a good while back. What I don't follow is why it would lead people to want to leave the UK, which is something much more related to the present. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Curnoack [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 22:24:32 11/05/04 Fri "Yes, but this seems to me like something that happened a good while back. What I don't follow is why it would lead people to want to leave the UK, which is something much more related to the present." Because we still get a raw deal, and the process still continues. Why don't you guys like the EU for example? I often find people come out with the same arguments against the EU, they protest against with the break-up of the UK... ---------------------------------- Simpsons cry freedom for Cornwall The Cornish language and the campaign for Cornish self-government has gone global with the announcement that a character in the American cartoon series ‘The Simpsons’ is to ‘embrace the cause of Cornish independence.’ In a special edition of the animated comedy, Lisa Simpson will run around the family home waving a Cornish flag and shouting ‘Rydhsys rag Kernow lemmyn’ – Freedom for Cornwall now. The cartoon will be screened as an alternative to the Queen’s speech on Christmas Day. The story was carried worldwide. The Sydney Morning Telegraph headline stated ‘Simpsons cry freedom for Cornwall,’ Malaysia’s Utasan declared ‘Lisa Simpson takes up the call for Cornish liberation’ and the Scotsman led on ‘Cartoon character to voice support for Cornish independence.’ It was also covered by CNN, Sky News and a host of British television and radio stations, with the BBC declaring that ‘Lisa puts cool into the Cornish cause.’ It was interesting to note that the non-British media added some interesting perspectives to the wider context of the story. Reuters stated that ‘… bordered by water on three sides, Cornwall has remained stubbornly distinct from the rest of the United Kingdom. Nationalists in the county think the area should be accorded the status Wales and Scotland enjoy, having devolved powers if not outright independence.’ Malaysia’s Utasan, based in Kuala Lumpar, referred to Cornwall’s separate culture, identity and language, as well as the ‘claim that there are constitutional doubts as to the legitimacy of English rule in Cornwall.’ Of the London papers, The Guardian, The Independent, The Daily Mirror, The Daily Mail and The Times all covered the story. Predictably, The Sun managed to come up with the headline ‘Simpsons get corny.’ None of these papers managed any serious commentary on the future prospects for the Cornish language or the campaign for a Cornish Assembly. That was not surprising. The campaign for a Cornish Assembly has, so far, been largely ignored by the London press. Even in 2001, when evidence for 50,000 declarations was taken to Downing St, the campaign met with complete metropolitan indifference. The event was only covered by one London paper – the Morning Star. One newspaper journalist had stated, in an email, ‘this is probably the most significant political story to have come out of Cornwall in decades …’ His publication however, along with all the other newspapers and magazines failed to cover the story. And yet, when it is reported that a cartoon character is going to wave a cartoon flag and utter a phrase in Cornish, there has been a media furore. What a stark contrast to the lack of serious reporting of Cornish political issues. Mebyon Kernow welcomes the publicity surrounding the Simpsons, which will raise the profile of Cornwall’s culture and political aspirations. But we would also welcome a press that takes Cornwall and Cornish aspirations seriously. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ed Harris (London) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 21:45:03 11/11/04 Thu I have long felt that the world would be a better place if our political opinions were derived from episodes of The Simpsons. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Jim (Canada) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 22:18:33 11/05/04 Fri There you go again, this typical nationalist 'pity me' attitude that someone else hundreds of years ago did us an injustice so we must hate their descendents. This must stop. We must look to the future and concentrate on healing wounds and working together, not harping on about things from the distant past. This is also a problem in my country with Quebec's racist language laws. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Curnoack [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 22:21:14 11/05/04 Fri "We must look to the future and concentrate on healing wounds and working together, not harping on about things from the distant past." I'm sorry, but I don't hear that sentiment about WWII on here. That was a horrible event in which some of my relatives died, and the people who started it be damned, but ordinary Europeans on both sides paid for it. The same can be said about WWI or the Vietnam war. "This is also a problem in my country with Quebec's racist language laws." So I gather, they are very unfair as regards the indigenous languages of Quebec. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Brent (Canada) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 19:02:14 11/12/04 Fri Curnoack: FYI, the language laws in Quebec benefit French at the expense of other languages. The indigenous peoples, such as the Cree and Montegnais, live in remote areas of the north and are rather insular. The real target of Bill 101 is the anglophone population. Yes, there is a jurisdiction within the British Commonwealth where the outward display of the English language on outdoor signs will get you a fine! You might find it hard to square this reality with your own preconceived biases... [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |