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Date Posted: 04:01:56 05/28/24 Tue
Author: Cam_Australia
Subject: Shaft differences between proline and black stone and between lengths

Hi David,
I’m trying to consider which irons to go with. My wtf with shoes is 38.4 inches so the irons would be the 38.5 inch ones.

Are the proline and blackstone irons the same total weight?

Do they both have the same shaft or do the prolines have a stiffer tip?

I hit the ball quite a long way and I’m wondering if the benefits of a stronger lofted 17 degree iron are better or whether the higher lofted 59 degree would be of more value?

I’m also wondering how the swing weight of a 38.5 inch iron with a 265gm head would perform and feel? And whether there are weight differences of the iron heads, shafts and grips used on irons with a length of 38 vs 38.5 inches?

Regards
Cameron

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[> Re: Shaft differences between proline and black stone and between lengths -- David Lake, 08:06:01 05/28/24 Tue

Cameron,

Our Pro-line, Blackstone, and Regal irons are the same weight with the same shafting. Regardless of club length, the clubheads and grips weigh the same. Obviously a longer shaft will weigh slightly more than a shorter one but it is an insignificant difference in a golf swing. Bear in mind that you are not holding the club straight out in front of you, but rather, letting it fall downwards in an arc through gravity. The only time that a club will feel heavy is when you are swinging with your arms which is exactly what you do not want to do.

Personally, I would not play a round of golf without my 59º wedge which I use regularly. By the same token, I will use my 19º iron quite often as well. My set is a driver, #3 wood, and 19º through 59º irons. I do not need the 17º Pro-line iron as I get all the distance I need from my 19º iron.

David Lake

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[> Re: Shaft differences between proline and black stone and between lengths -- Cam_Australia, 16:53:57 05/28/24 Tue

Thanks for the advice David, the 59 degree club it is.

I also like the idea of building up strength with the shoulder and waist rotation and thus am ok with having a higher swing weight reference for the 38.5 inch clubs. I’m am strong at about 6’6” and 112kg. Do you butt weight the clubs?

You mentioned that the proline, blackstone and regal are all the same weight but isn’t the regal slightly heavier in the head (265 vs 273gm)?

I also found reading your “common sense approach to golf” pdf a fantastic learning experience!

Apart from the 30 day return warranty (and a little wear) are there any quality control difference between the used/demo clubs and the new ones? I only ask because I doubt that I’d return them and am sometimes a bit hesitant about buying secondhand clubs in general, only because I sometimes feel that second hand clubs may have been returned or put up for resale due to them being a bit off the mark?

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[> Re: Shaft differences between proline and black stone and between lengths -- David Lake, 11:05:59 05/29/24 Wed

Cameron,

1. We do not butt weight our golf clubs.

2. The regal clubheads weigh 265 grams just like the Pro-line and Blackstone irons.

3. Our Used/Demo clubs are not second hand. Theses are clubs that were used during our demo day events and corporate golf outings and may have been hit four or five times. If you bought a new set and played four rounds of golf our Used/Demo clubs would be in the same or better condition.

David Lake

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[> [> Re: Shaft differences between proline and black stone and between lengths -- Cam_Australia, 17:20:02 05/29/24 Wed

Thanks David.
I looked up all the different one length club manufacturers out there and am convinced that your clubs would be the best choice for me.

I also researched people who play heavier swing weights for clubs around 38.5 inches and feel perfectly comfortable with your idea of club head to shaft balancing trumping an ideology of building a club to a designated swing weight.

Also sorry I got mixed up with the head weight difference between the original one iron vs the regal. i looked at the Regal table again and its 265gm :)

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