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Subject: Re: Playing another Devil Advocate to yours


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Date Posted: Thu, Jul 10 2003, 20:56:06 PDT
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In reply to: Zangs 's message, "Playing another Devil Advocate to yours" on Thu, Jul 10 2003, 11:32:29 PDT
 >>The flip side to this is that he had absolutely no
>>idea of what to say and just latched onto an idea had
>>been previously used.
>
>Well, Ryan's stone idea was a flub, it looks like that
>was something he just latched on.
>
>>I guess you could also say that
>>he wasn't very creative in coming up with his own
>idea.
>
>Isn't this what some improvisers do? Bring back
>previous ideas? You and Jean even mentioned that in
>your live show reports. IDS is a singing game that's
>telling a story line by line. In this case, about a
>guy who got mugged, the mugger will later turn out to
>be his friend. As a story, it would make sense for
>Colin to bring up the stone part again. Is this being
>uncreative? I don't think so. It's rounding out the
>story by reference to the beginning.

You explained that so well. All I wanted to add was in a Colin interview, he said once that listening is a necessary skill in improvising and building the scene. It's not really being uncreative but listening to other people's lines and building upon that. Like Zangs said taking previous ideas of the story and rounding it out at the end.
>
>What people were laughing uproariously about at the
>end wasn't really the fact that he brought back the
>"stone" idea but the utter ridiculousness of the way
>he brought it back (as someone willing to push it
>through someone's anus because he was being a good
>friend).
>
>>It just seems he gets all of the credit but when you
>come >right down to it, had Ryan not originally said
>his line >about passing a stone Colin wouldn't have
>come up with the >ending line that he did. It's just
>because Ryan's line >comes so early on in the song
>that it gets forgotten.
>
>Ryan contributed idea A, Colin expanded on idea A and
>got the laughs. So what? There has been plenty of
>times where it's been the reverse. They have a
>beautiful improv relationship that totally feeds on
>each other's ideas.

Other experts have said that their a good example of a improv team. Just listening to one another and offering the good lines. There has been instances where Colin has offered original ideas and Ryan has built upon it and gotten the laugh.
>I think Colin being at the end by default makes his
>lines more memorable, and I agree this is why the
>lineup should be mixed up more. But it doesn't take
>away the utter funniness of his "put the stone back at
>my end" line. It's funny not necessarily because Ryan
>contributed the stone idea but because of the way
>Colin frames that stone idea in his usual ridiculous
>silly humor.

Another thing Ryan said one time in an interview is "You have to be a team player or it just won't work" I don't think it really maters to any one of the guys whose lines gets the most laugh or who originally came up with the idea. All I'm trying to basically say is I don't think they're keeping a list of who came up with the funniest line or gotten the most laughs and built their whole self-esteem on it. They are all good friends who respect one another, there's no hint of competition among them and love what they do and performing for the audience. We all have our preferences on who are favorite player is and have our perferences to which line was the funniest.
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