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Date Posted: 03:15:50 09/10/03 Wed
Author: That one Guy
Subject: I say
In reply to:
Faithsguy
's message, "I'm alive! I'm here! Big bad ideas!" on 02:45:25 09/01/03 Mon
Instead of this lets make the thing a deadly deasease that the innnitive left behind and some demon manange to get...
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Re: -- Sgt. Rock, 08:19:44 09/10/03 Wed
Couldn't think of anything worse than linking it to the Initiative, I mean not only has it been 4 years since they left, no-one liked them!
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Why don't we just have a big demonic bear with a club -- BunnyPhobia, 15:37:39 09/10/03 Wed
Least then there's comic potential....
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Sounds good! -- Sgt. Rock, 17:23:44 09/10/03 Wed
He could wear a tutu and be called Gerald, that's how you top the source of all evil!
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Yeah, cos then it'll prove Giles was telling the truth - -- Wyvern, 17:42:20 09/10/03 Wed
To be truly worthy, rituals have to be performed in a tutu.
Seriously, though, this Initiative idea is not one of the better ones for the reasons already given - the Initiative are history, story-wise (having been superceeded by an even more secret and dodgy international organisation by the seems of it) and The Initiative were deeply unpopular in the first place.
Though we could always use it as an excuse to bring back Stepford Sam. The Scoobies could hold a seance to call up the spirit of Warren who would admit that Sam was his first attempt at a sexbot but when she was done he just wanted to send her as far away as possible so he crated her off to the jungle where she met Riley and mistook him for another sexbot (all be it a good looking one with very nice arms). All they want to do is have little robot babies together but somehow it goes kablooie and they end up flooding the world with the next generation of evil cyber-pets...
Coming soon to a board near you: Buffy Season 9 - Tamagotchi the Next Generation...
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Hehe. You *stupid*. -- JSlayerUK, 23:31:48 09/10/03 Wed
Initiative baaaaaad.
Barrier good.
Fire pretty.
Fire angry!!
... want more beer.
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Oh -- That one Guy, 05:39:15 09/11/03 Thu
Seeing as that Innitive thing didn't work what about the doc, or the cheeseman?
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Tree bad, fire pretty... -- BunnyPhobia, 01:02:00 09/13/03 Sat
Lets have a sentinent, rampaging Fire, that sweeps through sunnydale, consuming everyone, along with some killer floods, and Gerald the Tutu Club Wielding Bear...
Who NEEDS Sam the Alcoholic Robot...Though Warren...*hmmm*
Seriously - I think we need to come up with something of our own, and stop using the shows seriously drained resources of past seasons. The past is the past, Buffy really IS damn cookie dough, and, yup, Spike always had his shirt off.
We can change all that
*cackles happily and rubs hands together*
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Starting with the cookie dough... -- Wyvern, 19:39:38 09/13/03 Sat
A crossover scenario...
Assume that at some point Buffy and Angel still had the "cookie dough" conversation. Now Angel's back again, helping the gang with the reconstruction following Prossieknickers and the great time squish...
Angel: So, Buffy, are your cookies done baking?
Buffy: Cookies?
Angel: Don't you remember? The whole wanting someone someday to be able to enjoy delicious cookie Buffy? I was wondering if...
Buffy: Oh... OH! Cookie dough? (Backpedals) Right... I meant "ice cream"... yeah, ice cream, that's right. Chubby Hubby.
Angel: Eh?
Buffy: That's right, some day I'm gonna be a chubby hubby - I'm having a sex change and leaving Sunnydale. With Andrew. We're going to Mehico never to return! Arriba!
But seriously for a moment, I'm wondering whether, after the mega-arc of seasons 6 and 7 and then the huge arc we executed for s8, whether we should consider taking our lead from the writers on AtS and rather than going with a huge, all-consuming arc this season we might not be better off with more MotW type episodes, stuff with flashbacks, backstory development and a loose series of threads holding the whole thing together and only really coming together in a mini-arc over the last few episodes. Of course, there would be occasional arc stories before that, but I don't see the need to make the arc as dominant this season. We've lost a number of writers and it might make it more enjoyable for those of us remaining if we weren't forever waiting on what was happening in the episode before and trying to set up the episodes that follow. In theory it should also cut down on delays between episodes if we aren't trying so hard to make a watertight arc (or as close as we can, considering we are fanfic writers who all have lives outside of this project and not people who can spend all their time doing this kind of thing unfortunately).
So my suggestion is that we spend less time concentrating on the Big Bad and its attendant story arc and more time concentrating on the characters. We've already discussed the need to slim down the cast, so it seems to me to make sense to spend quality time on the characters we choose to retain. And I reiterate, I am absolutely opposed to sending characters away on the grounds of pregnancy... especially if the baby's father stays behind...
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Why don't we not have a big bad yet? -- Idea guy, 20:54:08 09/13/03 Sat
Angelus and Faith didn't became "bad" until episode 14 of each season and Willow didn't erupt until episode 20. Why not start off with the standalones and character arcs and see what big bad comes from that?
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especially if it's such a big threat -- Idea guy, 20:55:25 09/13/03 Sat
I never got why the big threats took longer to kill. If it's that big a threat it'd be able to kill them quickly, so there'd be a sense of urgency.
The First spanned across thirteen episodes and lost any of the threat it showed in CwDP.
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I'm with Wyvy -- BunnyPhobia, 21:04:03 09/13/03 Sat
Also, that way, the mini-arcs can concentrate of character development, rather than apocalypses, which tends to prevent the former, rather than assist it.
Plus, like Idea Guy says, long big bads? Lose all threat after a few weeks. HOWEVER Angel season 4 which, imo, is a good representation of perfect serial TV, had an overhanging arc, but THREE big bads (beast, cordy, Jasmine) all with different tactics, different goals and methods, that prevented stagnation. Then, on top of that, you had the inter-group dynamics (connor, fred/gunn, fred/wes, angel/angelus etc etc) that pushed the pace and upped the episode content by a whole ton.
I'm not saying we go for something that compacts, but mini arcs, culminating in a BIG mini-arc would definately work. (Though I would LOVE to have aspects of the rest of the season's mini-arcs foreshadow and hint at whats to come..something to get the audience, in retrospect, to go 'bloody hell, how did I miss that'... But I think thats just the speculater in me : )
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