Episode 12 -- Season Eight Fanfic Discussion

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Date Posted: 06:21:23 03/27/03 Thu
Author: That one Guy
Subject: Episode 12

Ok, just got back fixing the computer it has nasty virus, read some stuff, but anyway. heres the way I see it is that I can write the part about the Horseman gathering the stuff for raven to raise Per. (Not going to try and type it out to late). That way it flows nicely into Episode 13, Also I can do this going back in time and explain raven past and stuff, and answer some questions that ME doesn't seem to. Like why Angel, Spike can stay in the sun longer then other vamps and Why older vamps seem to be all connected and stuff. Anything else please let me know if you have any request for episode after mine feel free and I'll try to add stuff to help you all out. Got to start to right the majority of the script over again atleast the stuff I know is going to go down. Thanks to Sam the eagle for the link and please try to fill me in on this post or in Emails about Ideas and stuff.

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[> So when exactly.....ALL Writers should read -- Faithsguy, 11:43:41 03/27/03 Thu

are the four horsemen raised?

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[> Faithsguy, they're raised in episode 8... -- anyas_butt_monkey, 16:17:26 03/27/03 Thu

And the whole thing in Spike's Bird episode about raising Proserpexa is wierd....the Horsemen have to perform this big long ritual, it runs through the episode, with Raven as their "power source". When a miniSlayer gang (Giles, Faith, Kennedy, Spike) come across this, there's a battle, and it ends with the Horsemen sacrificing themselves instead of Raven, who slinks off into the night for a few episodes... and then an earthquake appears and the ground opens up (either The Hellmouth or King Man's Bluff, we havent decided - is there any way we could have this in the basement of Sunnydale High, so we can actually have it as The Hellmouth?), as the gang fall in, for the Proseofshakespeare stuff in my episode :)

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[> [> okay thanks for clearing that up -- Faithsguy, 16:28:49 03/27/03 Thu

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[> Question? -- That One Guy, 23:14:06 03/27/03 Thu

So what stuff do they need to gather I can have them do it during my episode

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[> [> well its your ep, you try makin something up -- Faithsguy, 23:25:22 03/27/03 Thu

just any old thing really...

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[> [> [> Another Question -- That one Guy, 23:43:00 03/27/03 Thu

What name did we say Raven was called before she was vamped?

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[> [> Maybe you should... -- Mark, 00:11:46 03/28/03 Fri

Maybe you should wait until more episodes are written before you work out all the details of yours, because many of your questions will probably be answered in the episodes proceeding yours. Most writers don't start writing their episode, for continuity sake, until the episode before theirs is posted, so if you're writing episode 12 you don't have to start writing until episode 11 is up. So don't worry, you don't need to work out these details for a while.

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[> [> Oh! That One Guy! A favour, I if i may... -- anyas_butt_monkey, 14:40:28 03/28/03 Fri

As me & Spike's Bird are writing the 2parter that comes directly after your episode, we came up with a plan for the horsemen to execute in her episode, leading up to the big P-word revelation in mine. We need you to get something, right at the end of the episode - the horsemen need to kidnap Raven.

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[> The horsemen are raised... -- Sgt. Rock, 08:52:42 03/28/03 Fri

In episode 8

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[> OOOO....Ravens name before.... -- Faithsguy, 13:00:14 03/28/03 Fri

Maybe something simple....

like I can see a flash back to her past with her watcher maybe she was obsessed with the poem "The Raven", I think it was written in the late 1800's...not too sure though....or maybe her watcher said she was "swave, and quick, like a raven" and thats how her new name came to be.

Maybe her old name could be something simple, like Marie...or just something that is very simple.

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[> Raven's backstory -- crumpet, 17:06:31 03/28/03 Fri

I'm going to be covering all of Raven's backstory in my episode (#6) - her name, her origin, her Watcher, and how she was vamped. There will be plenty of ritual and romance for you later writers to play with.

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[> [> Romance? I'm sorely confused... -- anyas_butt_monkey, 17:21:14 03/28/03 Fri

We need to settle on a backstory for her...have you already written it, crumpet? If you have, give us the main details, so's that us later writers can pick things up and whatnot...

Oh, and is it going to be flashback stylee?

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[> [> Is it gonna be all flashbacks and some story ala Fool For Love? -- Faithsguy, 17:34:00 03/28/03 Fri

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[> [> I've written/decided all the backstory -- crumpet, who loves the flashback eps, 19:00:18 03/28/03 Fri

Yup! There will be two parallel stories, like in Fool for Love and LMPTM.

I don't want to give a lot of details, cause so much of that is going to come out in my episode... here's some stuff to get you started.

- Raven was a Slayer from Spain in the early 16th century. Her name was Isabella.
- She had a Watcher named Benito
- Things went bad for her because of a secret Catholic society that was tied in with the Inquisition

That's all I'm going to say for now. I didn't mean "romance" like soap-opera shippiness, but like high adventure and drama. Plenty of that!

In my episode, I'll show how she was vamped, and there will be enough ritual and stuff involved in that scene to give further writers plenty to build on, as far as her purpose, her destiny, prophecies or whatever you all want to do. Needless to say, she's not gonna get bitten by Joe Random Vampire in an alley somewhere :-)

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[> [> [> coolness! -- Faithsguy, 19:11:10 03/28/03 Fri

wonderful, it sounds wonderful!

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[> [> [> Oooooh, I like it! -- Linda_Delurked, 19:21:23 03/28/03 Fri

Isabella of Spain. Ha! That sounds like a well thought out backstory, I'm looking forward to it!

It would also be great if Raven suffered because she was the slayer, which I think is the direction you seem to have taken her backstory. My original idea was a slayer who was scarred for life and left with terrifying nightmares after that test Buffy went through in "Helpless" (the one where her powers are taken and she's locked in that creepy house with that horrible vampire who was played by the guy who played Rack.) She refused to speak to the council ever again and ended up becoming close to a vampire who convinced her to let him sire her as she lay dying after a battle.

Yeah I know, quit plugging your ideas Linda. Anyway, the point is that it was the council that made her suffer (in her eyes) and so she slaughtered as many of them as she could get her hands on when she was sired. I think that hatred of being the slayer, and the belief that it only ever leads to pain, would add an extra edge to Raven's battle with Buffy. After all, here is a slayer who has suffered in so many ways and who actually managed to abandon the council and then make them be her tool, and who above all has managed to create a happy life for herself. The more Raven realises that the more she'll hate her, and the more of a failure she'll feel. Sort of like the Faith story, only with fangs.

Okay I think I've wandered several miles off the point, so I'll leave it there. But yes! Loving the hints so far!

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[> [> [> [> I'm only dropping one more hint... -- crumpet, 19:28:16 03/28/03 Fri

My episode is supposed to be a "Buffy & Giles"-centric episode, so the Slayer/Watcher dynamic is going to be very important.

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[> [> [> [> [> Gaaah! You make fun of me during my pain! -- Linda_Delurked - wanna read fic nooooooowwwwww!, 19:53:42 03/28/03 Fri

*sob* You bold person you! Now I'm going to be on tenderhooks 'till that fic is out!

What are tenderhooks anyway? Is there any word on that?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Ooh I know the answer to that!! -- Sgt. Rock, 20:22:40 03/28/03 Fri

Although the phrase you're thinking of is being on tenterhooks.

They were used to hook wet cloth onto a frame, called a tenter.

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[> [> [> Crumpet -- That one Guy, 00:49:49 03/29/03 Sat

Crumpet Lets get together and do this cause I have some of her back story in my episode 2 that way it doesn't totaly screw me over with it and also has another persons oppion

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[> [> [> [> If we can't get together then how about: -- That one Guy, 00:59:28 03/29/03 Sat

Say she had 1 childe that survived or atleast hint at it you don't have to give him a name or anything.

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[> [> [> [> childe? -- crumpet, 03:13:05 03/29/03 Sat

I assume by childe you mean a vampire she sired....

My episode only covers her last couple of days as a Slayer (backstory) and some current plot in Sunnydale; I'm not doing anything with her vampire past, so you can elaborate on that all you like.

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