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Date Posted: 12:43:07 03/02/03 Sun
Author: Kashmanik
Subject: Got an idea for two episodes this season. (Xander arc!)
OK, I got thinking about little stories to include in the season to bulk it out a bit, and here's something I came up with.
In the early episodes, Buffy could start noticing that there are a *lot* more vamps than usual rising up in town, and it becomes clear that the vamps are on some kind of siring frenzy - but no one knows why. Even Anya's contacts in the demon world aren't sure, but it seems that the vampires aren't doing it consciously (i.e. being ordered), they simply feel "drawn" to do it more. (We could find out later in the season that it's because of Proserpexa - she always had vampires as servanys back in the day, and it's sort of an ingrained impulse to reproduce when Proserpexa is rising.)
So, with this growing vampire threat and the Four Horseman, Buffy is spread pretty thin. Xander decides that Buffy can't fight two wars at once, and so seeks outside help. He convinces Dawn to help him, and after spending a night in Willie's they overhear talk of a human mercenary group in town, who are demon-hunters. Xander and Dawn contact them, and it turns out their leader is a former Initiative scientist called Miranda. She wasn't assigned to Sunnydale, but she'd been working on forms of chemically or biologically attacking vampires. But, she'd broken regulations by experimenting on chipped vampires with her formulas, and so lost her job.
Miranda has now come up with a formula that weakens vampires resistance to the sunlight - so much so that even indirect sunlight is harmful to them, as is artificial light, such as electric lightbulbs etc. Vampires would literally have to live in pitch darkness during the daytime.
So, Xander and Dawn think it's a great plan, since this "formula" - once introduced to one vampire - becomes an airborne disease among their species. They pay Miranda a *huge* amount of money for this service, but first they have to help her steal her formula from Initiative HQ (dunno which city, but not Sunnydale - maybe LA for a little AtS crossover?)
Anyway, the end of that ep Miranda leaves for a hidden Initiative lab in Sunnydale to prepare her formula, and as the ep ends, we meet her lab assistant. A friendly old guy that everyone calls Doc. (GASP!) :-)
Later on in the season we could come back to this plot, where Miranda arrives at Xander's apartment, badly beaten. Doc has been working on the inside, and with his knowledge of science, he's been able to reverse the formula. Now the chemical will *increase* vampire resistances - they'll be able to go out in sunlight, and since the vampire numbers have been growing all season, it's a race against time to find Doc and stop him. Xander confesses to the Scoobs about hiring Miranda, (Willow can comment here that "Haven't we learnt to just say No to crazy government scientists?") and they eventually track Doc to a vamp nest in the graveyard. But, they're too late - Doc releases the virus. Whilst Spike takes on Doc, venting rage over what happened in "The Gift", the Scoobs hurry to stake the infected vampires before they can leave and spread the virus. However, one escapes...
Opinions? Just thought this might be a strong storyline, actually featuring an Initiative scientist with good intentions this time, and a chance for Spike to get his revenge. It would also be a story for Xander, which quite frankly would be a blessing in itself. And, of course, this virus would mean that Spike can go out in sunlight during the finale.
This story went through a few different variations. Originally I had a group of radical vampire hunters arriving at the Bronze and attempting to recruit people. The virus made by Miranda was going to have been injected into these extremists blood, then they were going to feed themselves to vampires. The virus would then have effected 10 or so vamps before it wore down. BUT, then I thought it might be a little *too* political, as it does sort of scream "suicide bomber". If you think that variation is better, then tell me! Cos I'm gonna be writing an episode now - woohoo!
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Re: -- Sgt. Rock, 15:40:54 03/02/03 Sun
I don't like the idea of linking it to the initiative. I (and I think most others) have had enough of them. The initiative is dead and buried, lets leave it that way.
I don't think Xander would EVER take Dawn to Willie's.
However, with a bit of work I think it could make a cool ep (or two). I would rather see Doc as the guy orchestrating the whole thing though. I can see the ep ending with the group returning to base and then Doc turning around to greet them with that creepy smile of his.
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Ethan Rayne. With being taken by the initiative, it would give it a link back to them, but nothing too important.
However I can't see either really being a big Xander arc, Ethan would be more of a Giles arc, where Doc would be more of a Spike one
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But if it worked your way..... -- Kashmanik, 16:23:49 03/02/03 Sun
Would Xander really pay Doc or Ethan to do this? That was why I had the idea of the Initative scientist, someone that was human and Xander would trust. Also, the fact that she is from the Initiative would only be very small plot point - just as an explanation of how she knows the scientific stuff, and the demon biology. She'd be acting seperately from the Govt., so it wouldn't really be a return to the Initative storyline.
And Xander taking Dawn to Willie's. Why not? She'd be turning 18 in S8! We've gotta remember, she isn't a little girl in our season, she's growing up.
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Re: -- Sgt. Rock, 22:08:52 03/02/03 Sun
I meant not include Xander at all, I don't think it would make sense to have him going to anyone without telling Buffy, and I'd say the same for Dawn as well. And if he did tell Buffy, I know she wouldn't go for it.
While I think a Xander arc is long overdue, I just don't think this is it.
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Xander wouldn't have told Buffy because..... -- Kashmanik, 21:18:03 03/03/03 Mon
It would mean dealing with someone who was formerly with the Initiative, and Buffy would be very wary about trusting them with anything this important. And Dawn would be backing Xander, because she can see how tiring dealing with such a large number of vampires is making Buffy.
And to be honest, not including a Scooby in making the deal kinda negates the point of the episode. We're left with a parting shot of Doc helping out the Initative scientist at the end of one episode early/mid-season, then we come back to it much later. Leave the audience guessing as to why Doc is involved. If a Scoob wasn't involved, then the surprise (and the finger-pointing) won't be as effective later in the season.
Also, maybe Doc could actually be one of the Horsemen? Isn't one of them all about Plague? This virus that Doc releases would effectively enhance this growing plague of vampires that is spreading.
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Re: -- Sgt. Rock, 02:44:08 03/04/03 Tue
Yeah, but you think Xander would do that if he knew she was initiative? You think he's that stupid? I'm not saying it's a bad idea, but it doesn't exactly seem an in-character thing for him to do.
Also, don't forget that in America legal drinking age is 21, not 18, so Dawn would still be 3 years under the limit.
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Hey guys I have the inner knowledge of a later ep and -- Faithsguy, 16:40:22 03/02/03 Sun
We shouldnt use Doc, I do know of a certain past cast member that might be returning that is helping the followers of Proserpexa and if we use Amy and this other past cast member (I'm not saying, I think ABM is re-introducing this character and I dont want to ruin it), and then we use Doc, it would be too much wouldnt it? Maybe its just me. :)
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Can you tell us more about this Amy storyline? -- Mark, 16:48:43 03/02/03 Sun
I know you don't want to give too much away but how is Amy going to be used in this? I doubt she would help an evil being willingly, she's more of a troublemaker than an actual evil person, you know? Will she be controlled, and how many eps will she be in? I don't want her to be Little Bad number 3
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Re: -- imisstara, 16:51:14 03/02/03 Sun
I don't know if you're referring to me Faithsguy, but I'm bringing in Ethan in my episode 15 just for an ep so could we please not use him in anything else? I love the idea of bringing Doc back, though! He was so wonderfully creepy in a subtle and subdued sort of way.
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Yeah, if we used..... -- Kashmanik, 16:53:31 03/02/03 Sun
Doc here but actually gave him no lines? What if he appears, steals the formula, releases it and vanishes? Make it a creepy sort of physical performance, not a verbal one? That way he can return for the ep that someone has planned later in the season.
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The Amy storyline -- Faithsguy, 18:28:58 03/02/03 Sun
I've only got her in the last two seconds of my episode, however I would like to set it up for eppie five or six, whoever is writing them to make it so that Amy does not know the full power of Proserpexa. Amy has never had a true parental figure, I mean she had her father for two years and then BAM! a rat. So I am thinking that the followers of Proserpexa told Amy that Proserpexa will take care of her and reward them for helping them raise her. I dont want Amy to be fully evil, I just want her to think that Proserpexa is going to be there for her. Plus succeed in raising what Willow couldnt, its like The biggest thing Amy could ever do!! I dont want her to be fully bad, but I think having the vamped slayer kill Amy or turn on Amy and tell her what Proserpexa would really do would kinda prove that Amy is not truly evil ya know?
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Re: -- Mark, 18:42:01 03/02/03 Sun
Yeah that sounds good but the only thing is do we really want to reveal the Big Bad in episdoe 6?? I just assumed we wouldn't know it was Proserpexa per se until the two parter where she actually rises. Or maybe you could just hint at it without giving too much away.
I like your idea but I really think it could be condensed into just one episode and still work fine, because it's going to get too cluttered if we throw AMy into the mix for an entire storylne, you know? Maybe she could be there for the two parter so she could be there when Proserpexa rises or something.
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No no no, Amy wont reveal the big bad -- Faithsguy, 19:00:00 03/02/03 Sun
I think Amy should be killed off or leave the show before she can reveal. All we know from my episode is that she is the one who summoned the vamped slayer. I hate when they reveal the big bad so early on. I think Amy should realize what is going to happen and then the vamped slayer should kill her. I def think that Amy should not give away the big bad.
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We could make it a bit more complex than being killed off -- Linda_Delurked, 20:23:43 03/02/03 Sun
What if Amy only has a certain amount of knowledge of Persperatia and wants to get to know her better, so she tries to commune with her? A mind as powerful as Poppadomia would rip a human mind to shreds if it got too close.
So Amy has been following the rules, trying to help Prosperous to rise, and then decides that she wants to know everything about her and tries to link minds with her. She goes absolutely nuts and when Buffy finds her, she's babbling about how "she is rising" and "she is coming for us" and "she will destroy everything" and other comforting stuff. And then Amy kills herself right in front of Buffy (or maybe Willow or one of the others) as a sacrifice to her new mistress. All our "viewers" would know is that whatever Amy was working on was powerful enough to destroy her mind. And it doesn't mind letting it's servents die for it.
It's a pretty cruel ending for Amy, and mightily angsty for whoever watches her die, but it makes for a slight variation on the usual "you've served your purpose and now you shall die!" thing. It's also very typical of Amy to be reckless, and act without thinking things through.
I'm not 100% sure this would work, but see what you guys think.
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LOooooooove it! -- Faithsguy, 21:54:43 03/02/03 Sun
A sacrafice for her "master" infront of the entire gang would be so awsome, what if its with a sacrificial dagger and that could be the first clue as to what Amy was working for....
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Great idea Linda, but please, no more daggers... -- BunnyPhobia, 15:31:22 03/04/03 Tue
Why not something more subtle than that? Something more....internal. Because then, you never know, Prospexa could start to influence certain members of the scooby gang, and near death, insanity and evilness always go down well with the audience.
I thought that maybe we could make Amy's head explode :)
Or, something else....
Also, I have episode 5 or 6. My idea's all about Anya (as its an anya centric episode) but if I get to work IN the Amy stuff (my concept will allow that, definately) can someone kill her in the a LATER episode? Y'see, if I introduce Amy, it'll be a glimpse, a flash, and as Anya doesn't know her very well....
~BP
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Bunny I'm introducing Amy...sorry! email me if you... -- Faithsguy, 16:19:34 03/04/03 Tue
really have a good idea, but i have the "flash of amy" at the end of my episode sorry, but like i said email me!
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Exploding head is good. I don't believe I just typed that! -- Linda_Delurked is scaring herself, 17:36:34 03/05/03 Wed
I agree that daggers could be a bit too much like season 7.
My idea was to have Buffy trying to talk Amy down from a very high building somewhere. Then Amy would jump and Buffy would grab her just in time, as all heroes do. Except that Amy would kick and scream and twist and claw at Buffy until she's forced to let go. Not only would that haunt Buffy for the rest of the season, but it would make for an incredibly chilling scene. Especially if Amy laughs delightedly once she's worked herself free and is falling to her death.
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creepy Linda......I LOVE IT -- Faithsguy, 20:11:05 03/05/03 Wed
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Glad you like it, but it may be a bit too strong a scene to do -- Linda_Delurked, 16:40:18 03/06/03 Thu
The main reasons I'd go for it are, as I said, it would be an incredibly chilling scene and it would be an event that would haunt Buffy (and whoever else was there) for at least the rest of the season, probably for the rest of their lives.
But let's face it, having Amy kicking and screaming and clawing to make Buffy let go of her, and then laughing as she falls to her death, is not exactly puppies and roses. If we do go along with this we need to consider VERY SERIOUSLY the impact that this scene will have.
Whoever is writing Amy's death, feel free to use this idea if you want to, but if we go with it I think we should have a serious discussion about it in a dedicated thread first, to see if anyone thinks it should be toned down. The last thing we need to do is upset our fellow posters!
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