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Subject: Here's one for yuh.

Author:
Sam

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Date Posted: 21:21:44 05/13/03 Tue

What's the adjective that means "possessing the quality of integrity"? Integral? Integrous? I was mentally composing a sentance and had gotten to the stage where I've got very specific concepts and wordflow layed out but when I got to the mental symbol structure to describe the person, I did a vocab call and hit a complete blank.

I think I like "integriness".

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sarahchia
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Date Posted: 10:43:56 05/14/03 Wed

Um. How would you be using this word? I think that just saying "integrity" does it. If you're talking about moral integrity in a person, you don't say that the person "possesses the quality", you just say that s/he "has integrity".

Likewise, with structural integrity, you don't talk about a building possessing the quality of integrity, you just say that the building has good integrity--or doesn't, in the case of that one suspension bridge that they always show in physics classes that was shaken apart by the wind.

So I'm trying to think of a situation in which I would need to talk about someone "possessing the quality of integrity" rather than merely "possessing integrity", and I can't come up with anything. Clarify?

>What's the adjective that means "possessing the
>quality of integrity"? Integral? Integrous? I was
>mentally composing a sentance and had gotten to the
>stage where I've got very specific concepts and
>wordflow layed out but when I got to the mental symbol
>structure to describe the person, I did a vocab call
>and hit a complete blank.
>
>I think I like "integriness".

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Author: Sam [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 11:00:31 05/14/03 Wed >Um. How would you be using this word? I think that >... "I'd say he's a very compassionate, forthright, and integritous person." [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

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carolyn
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Date Posted: 11:23:07 05/14/03 Wed

>>Um. How would you be using this word? I think that
>>...
>
>"I'd say he's a very compassionate, forthright, and
>integritous person."

Honest to Dog, Sam, I had the exact same problem two days ago. Perhaps the adjective form of integrity does not exist. Between you, me, and Sarah--all intelligent, people, we should know this word, if it existed. I searched every bit of my vocabulator, and couldn't come up with anything. I like "integriness" but that's also a noun. What about "integrilous"? That's an adjective. Damn our language...there just aren't enough words.

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Author:
Sam
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Date Posted: 22:13:07 05/14/03 Wed

>Honest to Dog, Sam, I had the exact same problem two
>days ago. Perhaps the adjective form of integrity

I love you, Carolyn. :)

>does not exist. Between you, me, and Sarah--all
>intelligent, people, we should know this word, if it
>existed. I searched every bit of my vocabulator, and
>couldn't come up with anything. I like "integriness"
>but that's also a noun. What about "integrilous"?
>That's an adjective. Damn our language...there just
>aren't enough words.

Bearing in mind that English has one of (if not _the_) largest vocabularies in the world.

Anyone got access to the OED? I bet there's some archaic word that fits. If not, I'm checking Klingon. I'm sure they've got something we can steal.

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sarahchia
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Date Posted: 10:26:05 05/15/03 Thu

>>Honest to Dog, Sam, I had the exact same problem two
>>days ago. Perhaps the adjective form of integrity
>
>I love you, Carolyn. :)
>
>>does not exist. Between you, me, and Sarah--all
>>intelligent, people, we should know this word, if it
>>existed. I searched every bit of my vocabulator, and
>>couldn't come up with anything. I like "integriness"
>>but that's also a noun. What about "integrilous"?
>>That's an adjective. Damn our language...there just
>>aren't enough words.
>
>Bearing in mind that English has one of (if not _the_)
>largest vocabularies in the world.
>
>Anyone got access to the OED? I bet there's some
>archaic word that fits. If not, I'm checking Klingon.
>I'm sure they've got something we can steal.

Sam. You work for a *university*. I bet ya dollars to doughnuts that they subscribe to the online OED. U of I did, UNM did....just go to any computer that's linked into their network, and go to www.oed.com

You should probably be able to get right in.

I still stand by my initial reaction that it's commonly used as a clause "with integrity" rather than creating a word "integritiness".

But the OED definitely outranks us all.

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Author:
Sam
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Date Posted: 12:45:27 05/15/03 Thu

>Sam. You work for a *university*. I bet ya dollars to
>doughnuts that they subscribe to the online OED. U of
>I did, UNM did....just go to any computer that's
>linked into their network, and go to www.oed.com

Ooo! I did not know that you could get into the oed site based on IP address. The only oed I ever used at UofI was the commandline unix one and I know we don't have that here.

HA!

HA-HA!

Integrous:

[f. L. integer, integr- + -OUS.]

Obs. rare.

Marked by integrity; = INTEGRE, INTEGRIOUS.

1657 W. MORICE Coena quasi Def. xx. 174 That an action be good, the
cause ought to be integrous.

>I still stand by my initial reaction that it's
>commonly used as a clause "with integrity" rather than
>creating a word "integritiness".

Yes, indeed, that is how it is commonly used. That was never in debate. I was looking for an _uncommon_ usage and found it. Woo!

>But the OED definitely outranks us all.

*BOOM!*

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Author:
sarahhasler
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Date Posted: 17:39:38 05/14/03 Wed

I'd say that I'd look at you a bit funny, but understand what you're saying. Probably, what most people would say is, "I'd say he's a very compassionate, forthright person with a lot of integrity."

So basically what it amounts to is that MOST people would find "integritous" to be ungrammatical (in the linguistic sense of "hey, that doesn't sound right. I wouldn't use that in my speech/writing."), and instead would use some sort of adjective phrase (or would it be adverbial? God, I'm rusty.)

Of course, language change being what it is, there's no guarantee that in 25 years most people would find "integritous" to be completely acceptable, but for me, it's a lot like "irregardless"--it makes my skin crawl just a little bit.

>>Um. How would you be using this word? I think that
>>...
>
>"I'd say he's a very compassionate, forthright, and
>integritous person."

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