- Results tonight mean Palace is a must win game. No excuses. -- PSR SCR FFP, Wednesday, December 03, 10:12:46pm (NoHost/109.78.251.96)
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- I think we need to put this into perspective we conceded 5 and it should have been 8 that is unacceptable Anderson is a liability and Leno is on the slide the good parts ESR , Chuck and King played really well with the young striker also putting in a shift . Lukic was atrocious awful Kevin was ok blotted his copy book with that corner in the last seconds why can’t a player beat the first man with a corner drives me insane -- Button moon with Mr Spoon, Wednesday, December 03, 06:20:39pm (nmal-23-b2-v4wan-169190-cust1261.vm24.cable.virginm.net/80.5.116.238)
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- Too Defensive a Set Up For a Home Game -- Fulham Man, Wednesday, December 03, 05:11:47pm (host-81-86-236-59.as13285.net/81.86.236.59)
I think that we were set up too negatively from the start in a home game. Playing Berge and Lukic together was sending too much of a defensive message. Surely lessons were learnt from Leeds's game with City that they have defensive frailties. Instead of using home advantage to take the game to City, we played on the counter without sufficient speed and got done, admittedly by some superb forward play. Foden, I thought was particularly good. After half-time, the introduction of an attacking quick players like Chuckwaeze, looking to go forward quickly against City defenders who aren't really full backs, led a magnificent comeback. But why didn't we do this from the beginning rather than when the game was all but over in the first half.
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- Game of two halfs -- Alboy, Wednesday, December 03, 04:07:05pm (89-197-213-185.virtual1.co.uk/89.197.213.185)
First half very poor. Team selection from Marco wrong , too passive ,no tackles going in, poor defending etc etc. Second half Marco put the right players on the pitch. More attacking looked very good a d scored 4 goals could have had five. If we go at teams we are a decent side , playing defensively just does not work for us. Certainly be strong when you are defending but the best form of defence is attack! Still proud of the effort shown last night.
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- Frustrating watch -- Same Old Story, Wednesday, December 03, 11:46:30am (NoHost/84.66.55.127)
First home game i've missed for years due to a shoulder injury, so a rare chance to watch on telly. Overall, a lot to be proud about and glad that what looked like unfolding at 0-3 and 1-5 didnt - people will remember it instead as a heroic defeat.
However, still a sense of frustration with how it all panned out. Firstly, the team selection was a real shame given what we'd seen in our last couple of games. I take the point of picking the team according to the opposition, but ive never felt sitting deep and letting City dictate suits us. They're vulnerable when you have a go, as we ultimately found out, but that team selection kept us at bay until half time.
Agree with the comments about Lukic, and i say that as a big fan. Possibly his worst game for us - certainly his worst for a long time. Usually his passing is - even if conservative - accurate, but last night it was well off. I think i'd lost count of the times he gave the ball away in the first 30 minutes, and that short free kick where he gave the ball away to Doku was literally a schoolboy error. Awful, and he's probably done his career at fulham some serious harm. He's probably lucky that the AFCON will give him some game time, because it was the sort of display Silva will be fuming at.
All that said - ironically, he was probably one of the few players who didn't make an error that led directly to a goal. First one, Sessegnon should never be getting isolated like that, Bassey is in no mans land marking no one. Second one is dreadful from Anderson - chasing Haaland up the pitch, missing the tackle, and leaving a gap in behind. Berge, Sess and Bassey all failed to cover themselves in glory, either. Third one is horrible from Leno. Inexplicable decision to punch, exacerbated by absolutely no one closing Foden down. Fourth one, Foden left in acres, and Leno again should do better IMO. Stands up a fraction more and Foden doesn't score. Fifth one, Anderson gives the ball away directly to City on the edge of our box.
Amongst all that carnage, we played with some serious ability going forward, I thought ESR was excellent, and every other attacking player, whether starting, or coming on, contributed something. JKA looked good enough to have got a few more minutes at least, even if not in contention for a starting birth.
I do have some hope going into the Palace game now, but we absolutely have to start with a 'single pivot' - i'd even consider King and ESR starting together, albeit i'd prefer how we started vs Spurs with Iwobi inside, and Chukwueze, clearly our most dangerous player ATM more than deserving of a place in the starting 11.
Main concern for me at the moment is Leno. He's not even playing par at the moment, and i think the defence is looking more and more jittery as a result. We had a discussion about salaries yesterday - Leno is costing us nearly £10m a season, and isn't coming close to justifying it. I'm not sure we're good enough to just let him see out his contract while he's directly costing us goals on a regular basis, but, as (I think) Henry said, no one will want to take him on form and his salary. I wouldn't be against Lecomte starting on sunday tbh.
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- Agree with all. Below I provide stats that show how far he's fallen. Benching must be considered. You right, all defenders had bad errors. They've been pretty excellent all season, so I put this more down to the negative and nervy overall approach. At some point a large collection of individual errors becomes more about the system than the individuals. Lukic was poor, but he will be fine. Both he and Berge can do the lone DM role well. Just not together please! Hope you fix your shoulder soon. (NT) -- eganonoa, Wednesday, December 03, 12:04:40pm (NoHost/195.222.49.31)
- Can’t disagree about Leno comments, although “costing us nearly £10m a season” is way off the mark. Capology (and other sites) has him on £6.76m…...(Donnarumma £13m & Alisson £7.8m)…..Sadly it seems Leno is undropable. (NT) -- Bad Boy, Wednesday, December 03, 12:45:53pm (NoHost/2.222.160.125)
- There was a Talksport story on Monday (?) of Leno bigging up marco Silva to coach at a bigger club. Is this Leno grovelling? (NT) -- Mr Kurkuruza, Wednesday, December 03, 01:09:45pm (217-155-46-35.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk/217.155.46.35)
- .Marco is on record as demanding a huge spend in January . He presumably also wants sales because we wouldn’t be able to do one without the other because of spending limits on clubs . However we don’t actually need huge changes except possibly another keeper . So had we won at Everton and yesterday would the owners have felt under pressure to spend big in January . Not really no . I am not a spendthrift . I want the best players kept happy because that is how to keep them. (NT) -- alanos, Wednesday, December 03, 03:16:36pm (82-132-232-161.dab.02.net/82.132.232.161)
- You keep repeating this 'can't do one without the other line'. I literally debunked that yesterday. With the shift to SCR in the summer, and a large amount of salary cost due to drop off, we don't have to spend to buy in January - unless you're expecting us to drop 100m or so, which isn't going to happen. (NT) -- Same Old Story, Wednesday, December 03, 04:25:44pm (NoHost/84.66.55.127)
- *sell to buy that should say (NT) -- Same Old Story, Wednesday, December 03, 04:26:24pm (NoHost/84.66.55.127)
- We need to be buy Chukwueze according to the option. We seem to no longer need another central midfielder with Iwobi playing so well there . If we want Robinson to stay to the end of his career he’ll rightly want a big pay rise . I wouldn’t be glib about what Marco hopes to spend . Why is someone who clearly has other plans want to go on a spree anyway . Question , do you think Kevin waAgain do you think Pereira , 28, and sold for 10m was a fair price ? (NT) -- alanos, Wednesday, December 03, 04:52:58pm (82-132-232-161.dab.02.net/82.132.232.161)
- Don't we still have the same spending limitations that we had in the summer, owing to this season having to comply with PSR? (NT) -- Confused even more by it all!, Wednesday, December 03, 08:53:05pm (NoHost/213.207.130.39)
- Is Leno hoping for a place at Marco’s new club ? This nonsense over the new contract . ‘Do everything I want in the Transfermarket and I may stay ‘ I am the only one who thinks he’s on the way out anyway and his new employer wants some players to go with him . L (NT) -- alanos, Wednesday, December 03, 04:26:00pm (82-132-232-161.dab.02.net/82.132.232.161)
- Inside from the Transfer Market newsletter, re: Leno's season. He's having a bad year -- Jungle J, Wednesday, December 03, 05:31:59pm (cpc124440-croy27-2-0-cust52.19-2.cable.virginm.net/77.101.86.53)
- Agree with all of that, good summary. (NT) -- RR, Wednesday, December 03, 08:12:10pm (NoHost/104.220.143.92)
- Bernd Leno -- Ibizaaaaaaa, Wednesday, December 03, 11:39:53am (NoHost/161.12.62.42)
Was his biggest fan and thought for the first 2.5 years he was probably too good for us, but since that West Ham game last year he has been so, so poor. Think he should do better for both Foden’s goals and the Haaland goal. Add to that the Kudus goal last week, the Newcastle winner....
Granted he doesn’t get much support from the two in front of him (don’t get me started on Andersen since he has come back) but the French bloke has looked very handy in the cup, has great experience and should start against Palace imo
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- Tend to reluctantly agree with this. I know Haaland's goal was struck with unbelievable power, but Leno seemed to duck out of the way? Think at least he should be made aware that his place is under threat at the very least. (NT) -- Straw Clutchers Anonymous, Wednesday, December 03, 11:48:51am (NoHost/90.203.120.157)
- He's massively declining. Fbref's "Post-Shot Expected Goals minus Goals Allowed" (PSxG-GA) stat extrapolates goals above/below expected a keeper lets in. 22/23 he was best in league saving 9.1 goals or 0.24 per 90 above expectation. 23/24 he dropped to about average, letting in 1.3 goals or 0.03/90 more than expected. 24/25 he was towards the bottom letting in 3.1 goals or 0.08/90 more than expected. This season he's already let in 3.6 goals or 0.26/90 more than expected. (NT) -- eganonoa, Wednesday, December 03, 11:54:13am (NoHost/195.222.49.31)
- Re: Bernd Leno….£130,000 wages pw. Hmmm. (NT) -- Bad Boy, Wednesday, December 03, 12:07:01pm (NoHost/2.222.160.125)
- If this seemed abnormal, no problem, but it's been a relentless decline. Top asset in his first season, par for course the next, then falling below and now starting to perform way below (in the no.1 duty of preventing goals.) Stats and evidence of eyes don't always match, but in this case they are in complete accordance. (NT) -- b+w g., Wednesday, December 03, 12:41:31pm (host81-159-223-35.range81-159.btcentralplus.com/81.159.223.35)
- The punch not catch was obviously very silly but for me the fourth goal was the biggest concern. He doesn't move fast enough, doesn't seem to have any hunger to close the angle and again (like the second goal) just kind of sits down seemingly expecting the ball to go past him. Last two games - seven shots on goal, six goals conceded. I agree he needs benching. (NT) -- JamieR, Wednesday, December 03, 12:55:17pm (232.173.6.51.dyn.plus.net/51.6.173.232)
- I dont think he was the same since he had that operation and missed the Germany team (NT) -- Waterboy, Wednesday, December 03, 03:10:28pm (NoHost/81.79.118.27)
- Re: Bernd Leno has an unwanted record of conceding the most goals from shots outside of the box. I suggest he goes to specsavers and wear his glasses and perhaps he will see these shots and maybe save a few. Arsenal got rid of him for a reason and it's obvious that he is short sighted. Also ,his ball distribution is not great, hence his persistent short passing within his six yard box. (NT) -- MWKent, Wednesday, December 03, 05:41:22pm (host-80-46-1-168.as13285.net/80.46.1.168)
- Josh King -- John Tickel hmm, Wednesday, December 03, 11:32:57am (NoHost/109.78.251.96)
The fine margins are against him.
Robbed of a goal against Chelsea. Robbed last night.
Should already be a 100 million player. Instead we wouldn't fetch more than 10 million for him (his negative goal contribution against Brentford)
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- How are clubs like FFC really expected to compete? -- ShadMackintosh, Wednesday, December 03, 11:27:01am (NoHost/176.26.51.150)
Especially with the likes of Man City who have spent approx £345 Million on players over 2 years or so, & still have not been punished for their 115 breaches of FFP.
FFC did well last night to come back from 5-1 down but gone are the days when we could beat them before their current owners took over. Are the Premier League & FA afraid of their money should fines/points deduction/relegation be imposed?
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- Pitch invasion? -- Ronnie Gibson's Pedantic Elbow, Wednesday, December 03, 10:07:46am (cpc107643-gill19-2-0-cust94.20-1.cable.virginm.net/81.105.102.95)
Who was that cameraman who came on the pitch after Haaland scored, was it Sky?
I didn't think they were allowed to do that during a game.
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- Smith Rowe -- esteban, Wednesday, December 03, 07:30:41am (185-190-93-178.fwnetworks.co.uk/185.190.93.178)
Last night was his best in a Fulham shirt I reckon. He was popping up all over the place, wanted the ball, turning and progressing play, driving forward and getting into dangerous positions. So close to an equaliser and his header goal was lovely. This is the player we paid for!
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- The top teams always give a bit more time to play, suits him more than having someone straight into him (NT) -- Waterboy, Wednesday, December 03, 07:51:07am (NoHost/81.79.118.27)
- He was coming deep to pick up the ball, but then mostly passing it backwards or sideways. I don't remember him once attemptng to beat his man. Chuk and King both attacked as soon as they came on. For me, he was the wrong starter and the blame firmly lies with Silva for that dreadful starting XI (NT) -- Fkev, Wednesday, December 03, 08:03:47am (138.236.147.147.dyn.plus.net/147.147.236.138)
- You must be joking - he was in the box numerous times, forced Donnaruma into his only save and, er, scored. Sure he came deep too - he was everywhere! Agree with the original poster, I thought he was class and his best game in a Fulham shirt (NT) -- JamieR, Wednesday, December 03, 08:09:28am (NoHost/82.132.185.159)
- ESR was class, you’re comparing him to someone like Chuk who’s a dribbler, well I bet you neither Chuk nor King score that goal he scored and the one which donaruma saved first half was absolutely class, the way he shifted the ball and shot so quickly was excellent. Had looked very bright in recent cameos, fully deserved his start and played really really well and at this stage although not as silky as king offers more end product. (NT) -- Henry1879, Wednesday, December 03, 08:26:14am (cpc113812-lea23-2-0-cust213.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.26.216.214)
- I agree. Think he was great. Lots of effort to go along with class. Do agree with FKev about the lack of progressive passing. He needs to take more risks with the ball, like Iwobi does. But at the same time, we can't have everyone do that and he is a very safe passer of the ball who doesn't dwell on it but keeps it moving. (NT) -- eganonoa, Wednesday, December 03, 09:51:18am (NoHost/195.222.49.31)
- Last two sentences there, which will likely find wide agreement among us, sharpen the Q. of what happens during Afcon. (NT) -- b+w g., Wednesday, December 03, 10:01:49am (host81-159-15-110.range81-159.btcentralplus.com/81.159.15.110)
- To be honest at a basic level it's just heartening to see him actually sprinting around the pitch in his last two sub appearances and last night, in a way I don't think we've seen him do since last Autumn. Don't want to jinx it by getting optimistic too early but if he is indeed fitter and hungrier then there's no doubt in my mind he has it in him to be very influential for this team. The touch/shot from Iwobi's fizzed pass was wonderful, the goal was a brilliant finish (NT) -- JamieR, Wednesday, December 03, 10:13:23am (NoHost/82.132.185.159)
- Technically he is a quality player. In a Fulham shirt there have been doubts about his fitness & application. Those will soon be dispelled with many more performances like last night. (NT) -- Bexhill Beast, Wednesday, December 03, 11:29:59am (82-132-221-109.dab.02.net/82.132.221.109)
- Just got home -- Alboy, Tuesday, December 02, 11:33:57pm (NoHost/109.181.91.35)
To be at such a game truly was amazing. As abject as we were in the first half. We were brilliant in the second dominated the game attacked with pace and Josh King was so unlucky not to get the equaliser at the end. You have to be proud of the players tonight. They kept going and fought back . Some notable performances I thought Iwobi was outstanding in the middle. Smith-Rowe also had a very good game. Again what another great performances from Chuckweze. There will be the usual moaners but most people leaving the ground were proud of the team tonight. If we attack teams we are a very good side. Lukic poor tonight but we have to build on that second half performance. Sess did very well again and Kevin looked lively.. coyw
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- "If we attack teams we are a very good side" - - Agree with this (NT) -- RR, Wednesday, December 03, 02:16:39am (NoHost/104.220.143.92)
- So why the hell did we roll over and let them tickle our tummies in the first half? (NT) -- Answer: Silva., Wednesday, December 03, 06:26:42am (customer.vpls.net/107.6.254.141)
- Because we started with Berge and Lukic. Look what happened as soon as Chuk was on and Iwobi was in the middle. (NT) -- esteban, Wednesday, December 03, 07:24:00am (185-190-93-178.fwnetworks.co.uk/185.190.93.178)
- I said the same .We gave them WAY TOO MUCH respect. Basically stood back and watched them stroke it about 1st half. Where were the crunching tackles, not fouls, just tackles?! Can't Berge get stuck in a bit? Needed someone to get a foot in just to let them know we were actually there! Terry Hurlock would have done (NT) -- Fkev, Wednesday, December 03, 08:06:46am (138.236.147.147.dyn.plus.net/147.147.236.138)
- Players like Hurlock and Vinnie wouldn't have a career in these enlightened days. That's because their potential to intimidate and mame far outweighed anything else they contributed. Even at non league level football is more attractive, less physical, and that's a good thing in my view. (NT) -- Mr Kurkuruza, Wednesday, December 03, 10:08:17am (217-155-46-35.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk/217.155.46.35)
- Yes, Hurlock was a tongue-in-cheek exaggeration on my part. I just mean someone that could have got a foot in last night. Hasn't even got to be a Michael Brown, just a well-timed sliding tackle that takes ball and cleans someone out a la Palhinha. We sat back and watched them play pretty football for large spells 1st half without so much as a tackle. Silva shows them way too much respect, as his dire record demonstrates (NT) -- Fkev, Wednesday, December 03, 11:23:52am (138.236.147.147.dyn.plus.net/147.147.236.138)
- Also amazing that there was only 10 shots on target in that game, with City only having 4! (NT) -- Waterboy, Wednesday, December 03, 07:53:20am (NoHost/81.79.118.27)
- Thought Sess was at fault for Foden's second goal as he appeared to give up chasing him back leaging him unmarked (NT) -- White Eagle, Wednesday, December 03, 08:43:57am (host109-155-204-47.range109-155.btcentralplus.com/109.155.204.47)
- White knuckle roller coaster ride with FFC .. last 5 results won3 lost 2 goals 10-8......wolves Sunderland spurs ......Everton and by a rizla Citeh. -- And...... Breathe, Tuesday, December 02, 10:55:43pm (2e409ff7.skybroadband.com/46.64.159.247)
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- Has Tete got injured again didn’t come out for second half -- Button, Tuesday, December 02, 10:39:35pm (nmal-23-b2-v4wan-169190-cust1261.vm24.cable.virginm.net/80.5.116.238)
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- I have never felt a defeat feel like a victory as much as this. -- CB, Tuesday, December 02, 10:09:54pm (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
Confidence will be massive going forward. Silva made the subs that should have started and hey presto. Chuk settled in the first game he came on as sub. Love Marco but sometimes he’s too cautious. Pleased at ESR shift, the lad needed that.
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- Fulhamish -- Greenpole, Tuesday, December 02, 09:50:02pm (82-132-233-180.dab.02.net/82.132.233.180)
Another definition for the dictionary of fulhamish;
Hold the english record of consecutive defeats of one team Vs another in 150 years of football.
Score 4.
And still lose.
Oh Fulham...
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- Initial thoughts -- Henry1879, Tuesday, December 02, 09:48:16pm (cpc113812-lea23-2-0-cust213.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.26.216.214)
Echo many below, silva has had a shocker there, this is not city 2022 vintage, this is a fragile, flakey Man City, put it on them and they don’t like it. So silva decided to revert to type, play it safe and have us set up completely passive. Not only is picking lukic sending out the signal that we don’t really believe in ourselves and we are gonna be on the back foot, but he’s just not very good either. Amount of times he gets in a decent area, he takes 2 or 3 touches and just passes a square ball, he has no creativity or instinctive attacking sense. Leno I’m moving from being a bit meh about to, it’s becoming bit criminal he’s taking home 100k a week to be a way below par prem keeper, what do we even do with him, he has another year, nobody is gonna take him on those wages.
Thought ESR was class, knitting the play and taking up some real nice positions, always looked threatening. Chuk obviously class and Kevin looked a threat. This is the most infuriating thing, forget transfers or who we don’t have, we had more than enough to go and win the game, they have quality, but we do too, yet silva decided to take the easy option, revert to his safety first way and we paid the price. As soon as the team sheet came out it almost felt like half a white flag was being waved, just sent out such a bad message especially given how much better we were first v spurs with Iwobi in with Berge (who I thought was very good).
Final word on how irritating I find the end, I get some of these are international team mates (haaland/berge), or ex team mates (chuk/reijnders) but this best mates stuff at the end is too much. Bassey is everyone’s best mate when we’ve just lost a game of football, without going all grumpy Roy Keane, fine if there’s a a word and a hand shake, but half our players are messing round with there’s like they’ve just had a kick around in pre season. They aren’t doing thay if we nicked a point, but just felt with how passive we were and how we reacted post game we are a bit in awe of haaland/foden/pep.
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- Not going to disagree with that but in fact there's no way that clubs like Fulham should be able to compete with clubs like City given the financial disparity. That we comprehensively outplayed them in the second half OUGHT to make Silva rethink things. We CAN compete but only when we go at the opposition. What's the worst that can happen? we lose which we invariably do anyway against the best when we think we can contain them. I think this performance turns our season around. In a good way. (NT) -- The Man With No Name, Tuesday, December 02, 09:56:51pm (host81-141-119-135.range81-141.btcentralplus.com/81.141.119.135)
- Agree with almost all of that, especially the ESR comment, he was superb given the defensive set-up the players had force on them by Marco, but I think the after-match vibe from both sets of players was more incredulity about the match itself and mutual respect. I don't see a lot wrong with that. (NT) -- Glass half-full "apologist"., Tuesday, December 02, 10:06:55pm (NoHost/217.138.217.55)
- Agreed. Good post. We act like school boys when we take the pitch against this team. Second half was much better although they were defending so we were always going to have a lot of the ball. This was an infuriating match that ended with some positive signs. (NT) -- RR, Tuesday, December 02, 10:07:28pm (NoHost/104.220.143.92)
- Agreed I hate the way we're so friendly afterwards for me you save this for the dressing room but it's common nowadays and silva has to trust the players more we looked so much better with the changes if we had a manager who actually attacks we'd be great but this cm pairing is here now until end of Jan unfortunately (NT) -- coyw, Tuesday, December 02, 10:18:03pm (NoHost/147.93.215.75)
- Tonight -- Depressed, Tuesday, December 02, 09:44:48pm (host-78-149-190-10.as13285.net/78.149.190.10)
Turned a near disaster into a respectable effort.
However cannot understand why Marco did not start Iwobi and Berge in midfield. Can never understand why Marco does not start with a more assertive team.
Hopefully on Sunday Marco will, injuries permitting start with the team that started at Spurs
Upward and onwards.
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- Well that's -- HE, Tuesday, December 02, 09:44:41pm (lewi-28-b2-v4wan-166893-cust665.vm4.cable.virginm.net/86.16.2.154)
The PL december goal of the month lineup sorted tonight.
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- What a difference -- Ffc, Tuesday, December 02, 09:37:26pm (97e1e3d2.skybroadband.com/151.225.227.210)
When you pick a team that wants to attack and win
That inept first half was all on Silva …. No wonder he’s never beaten them
Hope he learns lessons from this game
What a shame we’re going to lose Chukwueze for 6 weeks
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- What actually just happened there? -- Harry68, Tuesday, December 02, 08:39:02pm (cpc160099-nmal26-2-0-cust805.19-2.cable.virginm.net/82.18.163.38)
Are our players actually shit scared? Absolutely fucking unforgivably pathetic.
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- This just showed how tactically Inept silva is as soon as we went attacking we looked dangerous and pushed city back we threw away that game but you'll hear the usual well we fought hard from the deluded (NT) -- Off ya pop, Tuesday, December 02, 09:32:57pm (87-120-102-217.madcom.al/87.120.102.217)
- One hour later. What a fucking incredible comeback. As good a 40 minutes as Fulham will ever play. Felt like a win. I think this will kick start our season big time .Shame about the start. (NT) -- The Man With No Name, Tuesday, December 02, 09:37:18pm (host81-141-119-135.range81-141.btcentralplus.com/81.141.119.135)
- Re: What actually just happened there? we won the 2nd half 3-2, alas no points for that. (NT) -- MWKent, Tuesday, December 02, 10:05:24pm (host-80-46-1-168.as13285.net/80.46.1.168)
- Leno -- JamieR, Tuesday, December 02, 08:14:41pm (82-132-217-165.dab.02.net/82.132.217.165)
When's the last time he actually made a save?
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- Catch it Leno FFS -- Ffc, Tuesday, December 02, 08:14:40pm (97e1e3d2.skybroadband.com/151.225.227.210)
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- Our atmosphere/support is atrocious! Need the safe standing section ASAP -- Jimbo, Tuesday, December 02, 08:13:04pm (cpc91486-slou5-2-0-cust1318.17-4.cable.virginm.net/82.13.157.39)
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- Tonight -- Ffc, Tuesday, December 02, 07:52:00pm (97e1e3d2.skybroadband.com/151.225.227.210)
We’ve turned up expecting to get beat ….. awful team selection,
No wonder we’ve lost 18 games in the trot to this lot
Lukic & Berge DOESN’T WORK
All the momentum from Spurs lost 😡
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- Asinine (NT) -- GA, Tuesday, December 02, 07:58:05pm (ool-18b90125.dyn.optonline.net/24.185.1.37)
- We are school boys when we play them. Always completely intimidated and without belief (NT) -- RR, Tuesday, December 02, 08:10:24pm (NoHost/104.220.143.92)
- Have turned it off and put the snooker on. (NT) -- Next, Tuesday, December 02, 08:12:29pm (maid-09-b2-v4wan-169800-cust2795.vm41.cable.virginm.net/92.239.74.236)
- Lukic pathetic tonight (NT) -- dannydog, Tuesday, December 02, 08:15:58pm (host-92-24-149-67.as13285.net/92.24.149.67)
- This is why he HAS to go this is embarrassing we're at home and have set up so city have shooting practice he's capable as proved in the last two weeks he'll go attacking I really hope he's gone by xmas (NT) -- TimeToGo, Tuesday, December 02, 08:19:56pm (87-120-102-9.madcom.al/87.120.102.9)
- Berge playing well, but Lukic is awful. Get rid. Take him off at half time, don't pick him again, Iwobi back to midfield and bring Chuk on. (NT) -- Wayne, Tuesday, December 02, 08:21:57pm (host5-81-104-106.range5-81.btcentralplus.com/5.81.104.106)
- Luik gotta h come off (NT) -- On the bench, Tuesday, December 02, 08:22:02pm (cpc115934-epso6-2-0-cust174.6-3.cable.virginm.net/82.14.32.175)
- Spot on 👍 (NT) -- Samuel, Tuesday, December 02, 09:49:53pm (NoHost/83.106.75.64)
- Weak referee -- Andrew in Bath, Tuesday, December 02, 07:48:30pm (33C6D3d4.skybroadband.com/51.198.211.212)
These ‘innocuous’ fouls by synthetic cream really deserve heavier penalties than mere free kicks. They lose the ball, Jimenez charges off, only to be fouled. Defender raises hands in mock apology, regroup behind the ball. Tried and tested, never properly penalised. Do what rugby does ie next foul gets card; or basketball, total team fouls merit free shots, 5 personal fouls and you’re out
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- Just seen the team news going home I can’t believe he has picked this 11 no flair all on the bench 🤬 off . Why are we showing City that amount of respect we are at home -- Button, Tuesday, December 02, 06:26:49pm (NoHost/85.255.237.3)
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- Re: Just seen the team news going home I can’t believe he has picked this 11 no flair all on the bench 🤬 off . Why are we showing City that amount of respect we are at home -- Raymond beeton, Tuesday, December 02, 06:30:56pm (host86-182-82-133.range86-182.btcentralplus.com/86.182.82.133)
- Four big games to come this month starting Sunday. Tonight's a free hit surely. (NT) -- FFC in Brighton., Tuesday, December 02, 06:37:41pm (host165-120-154-63.range165-120.btcentralplus.com/165.120.154.63)
- It's exactly the team I would have picked against this lot. Plenty of bench strength. (NT) -- GA, Tuesday, December 02, 06:37:54pm (ool-18b90125.dyn.optonline.net/24.185.1.37)
- What is the point of having our best attacking players on the bench . Completely pointless we are getting destroyed tonight we are going to sit deep and let Man City dictate I am fuming 😡 we need to get in their faces and push forward (NT) -- Button, Tuesday, December 02, 06:48:56pm (NoHost/85.255.237.3)
- Silva constantly complains that chuck and Kevin don't have the experience and game time for the Premier league, then just puts them on the bench. Plays a team HE KNOWS will get beaten! (NT) -- Cutler 22, Tuesday, December 02, 06:57:44pm (109-178-130-67.pat.ren.cosmote.net/109.178.130.67)
- This is a defensive team with a little flair up top. Probably a good balance of both to start the match (NT) -- RR, Tuesday, December 02, 07:08:17pm (NoHost/104.220.143.92)
- Silvas system is working a treat, they had to wait 17 minutes. (NT) -- Cutler22, Tuesday, December 02, 07:50:19pm (NoHost/150.228.63.136)
- He is trying to prove to the owners we need a big spend in early January ( which will also mean selling players ) But he has accidentally proved the opposite , set up right , and after return from African cup , we have loads of talent already (NT) -- alanos, Wednesday, December 03, 12:26:15am (82-132-233-20.dab.02.net/82.132.233.20)
- So who is it -- JT, Tuesday, December 02, 06:03:34pm (customer.lndngbr1.pop.starlinkisp.net/216.128.29.106)
My money's on John tee
🤪💩🎯
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- Hope I'm wrong, but I don't think Marco will risk Wilson tonight with all the amount of games coming up and with our Afcon absentees. Kevin and Chuk to start, how mouth-watering is that? -- Straw Clutchers Anonymous, Tuesday, December 02, 10:22:41am (NoHost/90.205.150.81)
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- ...Rayan Cherki rumoured to be starting for City, be interesting to see what we missed out on. (NT) -- SCA, Tuesday, December 02, 10:24:21am (NoHost/90.205.150.81)
- Agree, Chuck must start again and again. Also, Kevin to start. He needs the minutes. I feel that Raul has a lot on his shoulders and we can't afford to knacker him totally. Problem is with these next few games, we can't afford to rest him. (NT) -- CB, Tuesday, December 02, 11:13:18am (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
- Re: Hope I'm wrong, but I don't think Marco will risk Wilson tonight with all the amount of games coming up and with our Afcon absentees. Kevin and Chuk to start, how mouth-watering is that? (NT) -- Adama been a real handful for City in the Past?, Tuesday, December 02, 11:56:18am (host-92-24-210-86.as13285.net/92.24.210.86)
- I reckon Wilson has firmly solidified his place in the side now. Under the radar he's greatly improved his defensive contribution over the last year. With Doku a major threat, I can't see Marco wanting to start Chuckwaeze on the right and leave Tete more exposed. Perhaps we might see Iwobi or, more likely, Castagne played over there, though I hope not. (NT) -- eganonoa, Tuesday, December 02, 01:54:32pm (NoHost/195.222.49.31)
- Re: Far more likely he'll bring Lukic in and Iwobi to the wing (NT) -- Harry Bayles, Tuesday, December 02, 02:15:37pm (NoHost/194.9.109.89)
- May need a masterplan to neutralise Haaland's pace, possible inclusion of Diop with 3 at the back? (NT) -- SCA, Tuesday, December 02, 02:55:51pm (NoHost/90.205.150.81)
- Problem with haaland is pace combined with being hugely strong and good in the air, so drop deep and he wins crosses, push up and he’ll run in behind. Think our better bet is to sit deep, hope Anderson/bassey match him physically and clog up middle of the pitch to deny likes of foden and reijnders space to work. (NT) -- Henry1879, Tuesday, December 02, 05:02:45pm (cpc113812-lea23-2-0-cust213.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.26.216.214)
- I think he'll go three at the back (don't like it but that's what I think he'll do). But it won't need Diop to do that. He can just play Castagne on the right and have Tete RCB. Works also with Iwobi there, as we did Man City away before. But my money is on 5-3-2: Leno; Sess - Bassey - Andersen - Tete - Castagne; Iwobi - Berge - Lukic; King - Raul. (NT) -- eganonoa, Tuesday, December 02, 05:45:54pm (cable-146-255-156-96.dynamic.telemach.ba/146.255.156.96)
- Under the cosh podcast -- A Fan, Tuesday, December 02, 08:27:13am (NoHost/90.201.58.47)
Anyone listen to this?
It’s on YouTube and Patreon, good listen most of the time as they have some rather obscure guests on.
Lower league players, managers, some real old school faces on their.
Of a Fulham connection, konch, zamora
I signed ip to their Patreon recently, and came across on of good old Laurie Sanchez.
After listening to him for an hour, can see why it failed, what a really really unlikable bloke he is and so up himself.
Thank god we moved on from those times
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- Ticket available for tonight v Man City. £27, Stevenage Road block A. If anyone interested please leave contact number. Ticket will have to be transferred over. Thanks. -- ., Tuesday, December 02, 06:36:35am (host86-165-51-1.range86-165.btcentralplus.com/86.165.51.1)
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- Scratch Pep's Ego -- Eerwah, Tuesday, December 02, 02:54:35am (customer.brseaus1.pop.starlinkisp.net/206.83.123.68)
Iwobi middle of current formation provides positive purpose going forward. Eliminates sterile strokes Lukic makes for always protecting status quo. Both aspects needed at the right point in time. First 60mins is best approached with little respect for City. Earn support of the evening crowd for C.C. can grant willing lads inner energy until four subs are dished out doing specific jobs for coping with the situation at hand.
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- Finally A Serious thread! - The problem is wages isn't it? Fulham/Marco talks about wanting more players. But We can't afford to pay the same levels of wages we have been this past 1-2-3 seasons. -- has PSR caught TK out ?, Monday, December 01, 09:46:13pm (ns3232026.ip-37-59-18.eu/37.59.18.241)
So Fifa kindly gifts Fulham 3 more PL ties with the Nigerian lads.
After that we pray for the return of Jedi and others? Reed? Well he was dropped by Silva so lets hope Marcos been working with yound Ridgeon for the CM (backup) role? If only to give us options.
Now what about all this talk of Making Early Transfer moves?
Well is there any SCR scope to make any moves?
By our Calculations Fulham have £15-20M left.
That said what will that get you?
Plus Fulham are already on the 85% SCR limit for wages vs turnover. So doesn't that rule out the 3 players Silva wants?
It'll be a case of 1 IN 1 OUT?
Adama, Reed, TC, Diop? all unused and replaced with player Silva WILL USE?
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- Good point . The more players the more wages . We need to pay some of our best players more not less . It’s almost as though Marco wants a huge churn before skidaggling off in the Summer . When looking at buying and selling has the last year or two been a great success ? Pereira out for 10m ( not sure if that’s euros or pounds ) Kevin in for 40m euros . He might actually be a good player , it’s hard to tell , but paid way too much and for a position we were hardly crying out for . (NT) -- alanos, Tuesday, December 02, 05:44:44am (82-132-235-219.dab.02.net/82.132.235.219)
- It seems as if spending in January might be the only way to keep Marco but it will be at the expense of spending in the summer. But some big earners will leave - Adama, perhaps Raul. Reed, Cairney maybe Diop to be replaced by DeFougerolls. There is spending wriggle room and deals could be set up now, Players even signed so they can train with the squad and then registered on 1st Jan. A big test for the owners. (NT) -- The Man With No Name, Tuesday, December 02, 08:00:22am (host81-141-119-135.range81-141.btcentralplus.com/81.141.119.135)
- This would be LUNACY . Why the hell would you want rid of our only fit Striker who happens to be playing well . Are you crazy ? And why would Marco Silva want to do this . Because he wants to force the club to splurge big on a striker . Probably one of the Spurs failures in return for Muniz going the other way . Wilson will also be sold when we need to extend contract (NT) -- alanos, Tuesday, December 02, 08:33:25am (82-132-235-219.dab.02.net/82.132.235.219)
- In the SUMMER fuckwit. Money spent now can be recovered then to ensure compliance. (NT) -- The Man With No Name, Tuesday, December 02, 08:36:51am (host81-141-119-135.range81-141.btcentralplus.com/81.141.119.135)
- He really doesn't get it. He's like the Corbyn of football fandom. He thinks there's a magic money tree (exempt from PSR or SCR rules of course) and we can pay whatever every player wants, and never sell a player to balance the books. If we do any of those things (like every single other club does), its all part of some magical conspiracy. (NT) -- Same Old Story, Tuesday, December 02, 08:46:41am (NoHost/84.66.55.127)
- There are huge orchards of magic money trees.The problem is it’s a rigged game. (NT) -- It’s Your Party and I’ll cry if I want to., Tuesday, December 02, 08:58:41am (NoHost/90.215.43.146)
- I am saying the exact opposite . Don’t let a manager on the way out take you on a transfer splurge at the most expensive time of year ( though with silva every time of year is expensive vis Kevin 40m and he doesn’t start him . ) So account thinks we can sell players in summer already out of contract ?? So in effect we will have to sell players like Muniz or Josh King to indulge Marco Silva in his finale Kevin style farewell splurge ? How about keeping what we have . (NT) -- alanos, Tuesday, December 02, 09:03:39am (82-132-234-42.dab.02.net/82.132.234.42)
- That's a innacurate analogy. Corbyn is a compassionate champion of social justice. Nothing i have read in alanos's posts suggests that he holds those qualities. To me he's a representation of the parsimony and self interest of Tory fiscal and social policy. Back in 2019 you told me that there would be economic disaster if Corbyn got in. We never found out, but we did get Johnson and his band of covid procurement thieves and scoundrels and then the calamity of Trussnomics. (NT) -- Mr Kurkuruza, Tuesday, December 02, 12:31:03pm (217-155-46-35.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk/217.155.46.35)
- Raul and Adama are out of contract in the Summer so good luck with that . (NT) -- alanos, Tuesday, December 02, 08:53:54am (82-132-234-42.dab.02.net/82.132.234.42)
- And in what world can replacing Diop with deFougerolles count as strengthening the defence ? . (NT) -- alanos, Tuesday, December 02, 08:38:03am (82-132-235-219.dab.02.net/82.132.235.219)
- We can see you crying Thomas Frank, cos Harry Wilson’s just scored from the flank -- Brussels sprout, Monday, December 01, 08:59:26pm (host86-137-161-189.range86-137.btcentralplus.com/86.137.161.189)
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- Alex Iwobi -- p, Monday, December 01, 06:03:57pm (NoHost/90.213.242.75)
Loving him in central midfield by the way, much more effective there! Like having a new signing...
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- He's been excellent these last two games. (NT) -- GA, Monday, December 01, 06:39:52pm (ool-18b90125.dyn.optonline.net/24.185.1.37)
- I hope he stays there tomorrow and we don't see the return of the Berge and Lukic pairing. (NT) -- eganonoa, Monday, December 01, 07:02:46pm (cable-146-255-156-96.dynamic.telemach.ba/146.255.156.96)
- Personally I think he’s best wide left, but since Chuck looked excellent there first half last game and we need a creative midfielder I’m more than happy for him to continue in that role. (NT) -- Bexhill Beast, Monday, December 01, 07:22:16pm (host86-136-159-39.range86-136.btcentralplus.com/86.136.159.39)
- How likely am I to get in tomorrow evening on a senior season ticket. Basically want to use my dads who can’t make it and bring a mate. -- Jimbo, Monday, December 01, 04:17:18pm (smtp4.englishprovender.com/86.188.187.74)
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- If you look 65+ it should be a doddle. (NT) -- Terry on the turnstiles, Monday, December 01, 04:24:24pm (host86-172-212-236.range86-172.btcentralplus.com/86.172.212.236)
- Dress like your Dad and offer the turnstile guy a Werthers Original? (NT) -- Mr Kurkuruza, Monday, December 01, 04:55:10pm (217-155-46-35.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk/217.155.46.35)
- Unless your mate looks over 65, he'll get flagged. You can call the club and pay to upgrade. I've done this a few times and the club's policy is really stingy. They charge the maximum amount (i.e. the difference between what the senior season ticket costs per game v the cost of an adult for that individual game). (NT) -- Pavlov's dog, Monday, December 01, 05:14:11pm (NoHost/130.255.28.185)
- I think the machine at the turnstile makes a different noise for 65+ season tickets, when presented. Take an air horn to distract the turnstile operators (NT) -- Edward Winston Malone, Monday, December 01, 05:56:12pm (cpc115214-nmal23-2-0-cust962.19-2.cable.virginm.net/81.109.79.195)
- How old is he? Best you use as same surname? (NT) -- CB, Monday, December 01, 06:54:34pm (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
- Dont worry. I got my wife in on a junior ticket once, but then again, she's only 12. (NT) -- J. Saville, Monday, December 01, 10:18:32pm (maid-09-b2-v4wan-169800-cust2795.vm41.cable.virginm.net/92.239.74.236)
- All jokes aside, I had an under 18s season ticket until I was 27 and never had any problems. (NT) -- JF, Monday, December 01, 10:24:40pm (brnt-06-b2-v4wan-169764-cust3300.vm7.cable.virginm.net/81.101.124.229)
- I think you will be fine (NT) -- Kenny, Tuesday, December 02, 07:24:55am (137.242.158.185.baremetal.zare.com/185.158.242.137)
- Turnstile staff usually look disintersted, if watching at all at who is going through (NT) -- Waterboy, Tuesday, December 02, 07:48:00am (NoHost/81.79.118.27)
- Another decent Ref against Spurs, that's 2 in a row! -- Al, Monday, December 01, 03:09:25pm (cust-141.195.141.58.customers.as5482.net/141.195.141.58)
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- The "Recruitment". -- Glass (always) half-full, unlike the bed-wtters!, Sunday, November 30, 09:45:17pm (no-mans-land.m247.com/185.245.84.61)
So, here we are, 2-3 weeks on from one of the most disgraceful , vitriolic few days over the int. break perpetrated by ALL the usual bed-wetters (they know who they are) and even our resident hyper-optimist (who has been too gutless to even discuss hi totally OTT diatribes), where EVERYONE bar Marco was blamed for the insipid fiasco at Everton. We now find ourselves exactly half-way between relegation and Europe. We are only 2 points behind our 13 game total from our record breaking total last term, we are 2 points BETTER OFF if you use the corresponding fixtures list!
I would like to give "Recruitment" (so-called by the chief bed-wetter himself) a big up for:
1) Doing what was necessary to get Kenny T (my player of the season so far to extend his deal rather than going to Everton.
2) For doing what was necessary to get Josh K to sign a new deal despite the interest of several "top 6" clubs.
3) For doing what was necessary (however late in the day) to get Chuck on a loan with an option to buy.
Not ONE of these people has yet had the guts to admit that they were wrong in the apportioning of blame for the Everton (lack of) performance to "Recruitment" and not to Marco's overly defensive, proven twice since and several times before, selection of Berge AND Lukic together sacrificing any forward cohesion. In fact, today the chief bed wetter has even suggested that Marco do it again!
I would rather he has the guts to stick to the same team and if we go down against City at least let's do it fighting and attacking rather than an insipid overlay cautious approach. Leeds & Burnley both have 7 points from 10 games, West Ham and, chief bed-wetter's faves, Forest both have 8 from 10 games. We can afford to give it a go, 'cos we wont win trying to defend only.
I'd much rather be an "apologist" than a "bed-wetter".
It's better to burn up that to fade away!
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- Excellent post it’s come to something when Everton , relegation candidates over the last few years , think they rather than Liverpool , can nick our best players .Robinson now according to post below ! As you say keeping and developing our players often better than buying new ones . Except in rare cases when we are offered a King’s ransom rather than Everton’s cast offs (NT) -- alanos, Sunday, November 30, 10:25:20pm (82-132-234-34.dab.02.net/82.132.234.34)
- A good and perfectly sensible post - well done to Mr Glass Half Full - being a Fulham Supporter has never been an easy option - this is my 60th year as I saw my first game on 26/2/66 at Craven Cottage we beat Liverpool 2-0 - but it is in my blood and having had a season ticket since 1977 that will not change until the day I die! (NT) -- Jonathan Baines, Monday, December 01, 04:12:54am (cust-51.179.201.104.cgn.as5482.net/51.179.201.104)
- As somebody posted earlier: "Marco : " We are very pleased with each other. The structure of the club, from owner to CEO, and the people around myself. Very good environment every day at the club." (NT) -- MH, Monday, December 01, 07:09:57am (27-96-195-192-cpe.spintel.net.au/27.96.195.192)
- The points you make about our form compared to last season are good. I don't know why you have to resort to vitriol, name calling, insult. Of course people will post here with their fears and concerns. What's the point of having a messageboard if you don't? I was beggining to wonder if Silva should move on. Sometimes a negative mindset can't see the next victory, especially when we were looking so toothless. (NT) -- Mr Kurkuruza, Monday, December 01, 08:16:12am (217-155-46-35.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk/217.155.46.35)
- I said last week I'd bite your arm off for 2 points from Spurs away/City home. We are in credit now - may as well go down fighting (we don't look great trying to defend leads anyway!) Might as well go for it... (NT) -- Fkev, Monday, December 01, 12:25:30pm (NoHost/57.133.213.87)
- I think it’s an important point, that ambition isn’t just spending loads of money, it’s also retaining what you have and signing our best players on to longer contracts. I don’t always agree with it, but we have a slightly different strategy to many of our rivals who churn players more and often attract with sell on clauses, a lot of Bournemouths players only join on the agreement of being able to leave, wouldn’t call that hugely ambitious. (NT) -- Henry1879, Monday, December 01, 03:45:31pm (cpc113812-lea23-2-0-cust213.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.26.216.214)
- Some very good performances yesterday! -- Alboy, Sunday, November 30, 04:32:07pm (NoHost/109.181.91.35)
I thought the defence was very good, solid on crosses and never allowed Spurs any real opportunities. Sess did well against Kudos and Chuckweze was our most dangerous forward, had a great game and was unlucky not to finish the game with a goal. King did well but tired in the second half.Wilson scored an incredible goal and looked dangerous throughout. Having Bergh and Iwobi makes us much more attacking hoi g forward. Thought we sat back a little to much in the early parts of the second half. Lukic did well when he came on after Iwobi tired. Also great effort from Jiminez who led the line well.Kevin with more time will improve also felt Emile Smith-Rowe looked good again when he came on.
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- Man City -- eganonoa, Sunday, November 30, 04:26:08pm (cable-146-255-156-96.dynamic.telemach.ba/146.255.156.96)
Table is looking really good right now. We may be 15th, but after this weekend's results, we're five points from 5th and five points from 16th. Any result against Man City on Tuesday and I think we will start feeling calm and climbing the table.
We seem to have turned it around by returning to our Marco fundamentals: proper width from both full-backs, instead of one tucking in; one deep-lying central midfielder, with proper support to each wide player from the other two central mids; the most high-up attacking mid pressing hard from the front.
Marco has an extremely poor record against Man City. No manager in football has as bad a record against Guardiola as Marco: 15 matches played, 15 lost. www.transfermarkt.com/pep-guardiola/bilanztrainer/trainer/5672
In every match, Marco tries something new. Some tweak to counter them. He will reflexively want to play five at the back, start both Berge and Lukic together for additional defensive solidity, and try something interesting with Chukwueze or another attacker to counter a specific perceived weakness of theirs. I really hope he doesn't. Stick with the winning formula and try to play our own game. It quite literally cannot do any worse than we've done previously against them to just try that.
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- Spurs sack Frank, come un for Silva and we get Frank? -- PSR SCR FFP, Sunday, November 30, 01:38:26pm (NoHost/64.43.50.194)
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- Billy Bonds RIP -- Don’t tell him pike., Sunday, November 30, 12:25:11pm (host-92-24-210-86.as13285.net/92.24.210.86)
Absolute Legend of a Footballer growing up watching him what an inspiration. Sold down the River by Harry Redknapp when joint manager at West Ham don’t think they ever spoke again.Remember him Managing Millwall at the Cottage when Ray Wilkins was our Manager and they turned us over. Lifted the FA Cup in 1975. RIP.
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- Seconded : saw him locally quite a few times over recent years . As you say , a Legend and a true Professional (NT) -- Mickey, Sunday, November 30, 12:44:45pm (host81-129-86-102.range81-129.btcentralplus.com/81.129.86.102)
- Saw quite a bit of him back in the day. I used to wince at his tackles even just standing on the terraces. Terrific player. (NT) -- Bexhill Beast, Sunday, November 30, 01:11:24pm (host86-136-159-39.range86-136.btcentralplus.com/86.136.159.39)
- Re: Billy Bonds RIP -- MickTheBeard, Monday, December 01, 01:49:13am (lewi-30-b2-v4wan-172875-cust1010.vm4.cable.virginm.net/80.5.211.243)
- For some reason, remember especially the gladiatorial clashes between him and Mullers in the '74 midweek League Cup win over them (the match one of the floodlights failed and continued only because Mervyn Day okayed it). Couldn't imagine ever playing in gloves and tights... (NT) -- garence, Monday, December 01, 09:30:09am (82-71-33-251.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk/82.71.33.251)
- Robinson -- Ffc, Sunday, November 30, 12:18:02pm (97e1e3d2.skybroadband.com/151.225.227.210)
Reports saying that Everton in for Robinson in January
They won’t spend big and would prefer a lower fee plus a player deal
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- Can you explain why would we sell him to them? (NT) -- Mr Kurkuruza, Sunday, November 30, 12:41:59pm (217-155-46-35.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk/217.155.46.35)
- Just another silly rumour probably made by an Everyon kid compiling his wish list in his bedroom. We would not sell cheaply he is still a major asset. (NT) -- Don’t believe it!, Sunday, November 30, 12:58:30pm (host31-53-230-115.range31-53.btcentralplus.com/31.53.230.115)
- If they are offering 45 million I would seriously consider it anything less 👎 (NT) -- Button, Sunday, November 30, 01:15:07pm (NoHost/148.252.132.67)
- Marco wants a huge spend in the window ( when players are their most expensive anyway ) Even relatively well run clubs like Spurs have been incredibly wasteful in their spending in forwards . And look at our recent buys and sells . Kevin bought from the officially most corrupt country in Europe for 40m euros . Not only was he overpriced , we didn’t need a left winger . Then Pereira sold for a pathetic 10meuros . He is not spending rest of career in Brazil . In storage till after World Cup (NT) -- alanos, Sunday, November 30, 01:15:53pm (82-132-235-191.dab.02.net/82.132.235.191)
- How about pay rise and contract extension ? He made himself into a fantastic player . Do we need to get creamed by Everton now . I thought that was Liverpool’s job (NT) -- alanos, Sunday, November 30, 01:25:31pm (82-132-235-191.dab.02.net/82.132.235.191)
- Recon Frank has to be very greatful to Van De Ven. He single handedly stopped an absolute pasting of Spuds in the 1st half. That tackle on Chukwueze was beyond belief. Great team performance. -- Al, Sunday, November 30, 11:30:29am (cust-141.195.141.58.customers.as5482.net/141.195.141.58)
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- Question re West Ham Tickets -- Crafty Cottager, Sunday, November 30, 10:48:17am (NoHost/94.10.141.250)
I bought my ticket and downloaded it to my Wallet but apart from the basic details there was no QR or Barcode to scan. Is this right?
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- Palhinha -- Andrew in Bath, Sunday, November 30, 10:17:41am (NoHost/193.223.71.52)
Pretty anonymous last night. The money will go some way to cheering him up, but he now realises that he’s joined a madhouse, a club with a wonderful stadium, a merry go round of managers, and fans who rank second only to the barcodes in the lack of realism.
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- Unrecognisable from the player at Fulham (NT) -- Silva effect?, Sunday, November 30, 11:45:08am (NoHost/80.233.75.83)
- One of my fave players as a fan, but has glaring weaknesses. Brilliant at tackling and winning the ball back, he still top of those stats, but he’s completely ineffective at taking the ball on the half turn or under pressure and working round a press. Whilst going back he’s as good as there is in football, but his passing the ball forward stats are so bad, we did well to get such a large fee for a 29 y/old with such a glaring weakness as a midfielder. (NT) -- Henry1879, Sunday, November 30, 12:10:26pm (cpc113812-lea23-2-0-cust213.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.26.216.214)
- You can also make the same criticism of Rice as a 6 in an England shirt. Anderson is a much better 6. It is why it took me longer than most be convinced by JP but he was so good at he was good at that he turned me round. It wasn’t just his defensive contributions but the energy and tenacity he brought to the team. But the ideal 6s need to playmake and shield and he could only do one. (NT) -- f bloke, Sunday, November 30, 01:17:37pm (NoHost/2.223.121.65)
- Yeh but there’s a difference between palhina bad and rice ok at progressing the ball, rice averages twice as many as palhina, whilst he’ll never be Danny Murphy, rice is still ok at the little nuances and subtleties, whereas palhina is really far down the averages. I did try championing palhina further forward, like rice, let him burst into the box, get on crosses and he can shoot, everyone needs to press, so let him press higher up. (NT) -- Henry1879, Sunday, November 30, 01:54:34pm (cpc113812-lea23-2-0-cust213.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.26.216.214)
- However I do agree, England (and Arsenal) are far better with Anderson/zubamendi taking ball of the CBs and allowing rice to maraude and use his athleticism. Never thought Anderson would be that type of player, always seemed more a rice lite whenever I watched him under Nuno for forest, but great call by Tuchel to try him there. I’d love to see Berge unleashed a little more with a Henderson type next to him, reckon he’s got loads more going forward if allowed. (NT) -- Henry1879, Sunday, November 30, 02:00:14pm (cpc113812-lea23-2-0-cust213.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.26.216.214)
- ll on s. e He can score goals though unlike Berge (NT) -- JoeT, Sunday, November 30, 01:47:18pm (cpc96906-walt25-2-0-cust362.13-2.cable.virginm.net/82.13.233.107)
- Henry1879 -- The game, Sunday, November 30, 07:04:28am (cpc113812-lea23-2-0-cust213.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.26.216.214)
Funny game, split into 3 clear sectors, spurs totally abject first half and we looked like we could score anytime we went forward and they did nothing, 15/20 after half time they started to turn the screw, then we made the subs and saw the game out comfortably in the end. I’m big believer in it takes 2 to tango and a result is always a mixture of a team playing well and another badly, however the ratio of this one was heavily in the spurs being really poor, I was shocked how bad they were in so many aspects. Shaky defence, midfield which didn’t really create or protect much and bar kudus a pretty ineffective group of forwards. Bit early to say, but is this another hodgson/moyes with Frank, great at making a team hard to beat and counter when teams come at them, but asked to make the running, dominate the ball and break down a defensively strong team and they struggle.
Leno did ok, but again i think a really good keeper saves that kudus goal, not a howler, but ball wasn’t right in the corner and he got a decent hand to it, but he was good on the ball. Commentators saying his contract is running down and no talks as yet, I think he’ll end up leaving unless he’s willing to take a big pay cut, just don’t think he’s a 5m/year wage keeper anymore. Tete was great, match up was perfect for him, Richarlison is big and strong but not quick, suits Tete to a tee, defended back post brilliantly, almost like a 3rd CB, I’ve never questioned him against these type players, it’s against the schade/doku quick dribblers which is more his kryptonite. Thought we defended set pieces really well (a good positive this season), Anderson and Raul big parts in this, thought Bassey was shakey, erratic, I just wonder if Cuenca should be given a run, we’d miss Basseys pace, but I hope Cuenca comes in and makes his mark during AFCON. Sess I thought did well, kudus is a really tough 1v1 player, when he had some protection he did well, just can’t leave him on his own like a Robbo. Chuk is such a classy player going forward, but can’t remember many worse players working back, it was putting Iwobi out left to counter porro/kudus which really helped tighten things up. Berge really good, looks far better when he has some more legs next to him ie Iwobi, special mention to him, brilliant team player, started CM, moved left, then right and then subbed after giving everything. Actually thought Kevin did well, in that he really helped sess, was worried when Iwobi got switched right, but Kevin defended well and kept tracking his man. Wilson’s finish was top draw, looked quite simple, but key was his vision before receiving the ball, he knew he didn’t need height or power, so could sweep it in first time, class operator. Was a little disappointed by king (don’t shoot me), there was a lot of room and woeful defending from spurs, but don’t feel he ever asserted himself, although had some nice touches and always puts a shift in. Final word from a personal favourite of mine, Raul, just brilliant link up play throughout, playing all different passes with both feet, winning flick ons, defending corners, running round like he’s a 20 year old newbie, he’s the one who pressured vicario, he’s the one who saved the header on the line and he was at the centre of so much of our dangerous play first half, so sure he won’t get the stats or score 20+ goals a season, but he’s a brilliant team player who makes others better, between him and Tete for man of match for me.
Leagues tightened up now, similar to last season, would expected Liv and possibly Newcastle to kick on at some point, leaving top 5, then everything between 6-15th to play for, with both cups still in the mix. Nothing to fear with city, they’re still fragile without Rodri, be strong at set pieces and deal with foden/haaland (easy I know) and we have a real chance.
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- Bassey was shaky, both today and last week, over-reliant on his physique than positional play. But same used to be true of Tete but he's developed this season. And Andersen needs players like Bassey and Tete around him. On the attacking players: that's just what Chuck is it seems (per AC Milan manager). We need a wild card and I'd rather than than Kevin's clipped wings. King was good, just 18. We have to temper expectations of end-product. ESR wants his place, hustling like mad! (NT) -- eganonoa, Sunday, November 30, 07:31:44am (cable-146-255-156-96.dynamic.telemach.ba/146.255.156.96)
- Chuk will be new traore, odd starts when teams go high against us, but largely impact sub and if he does start he needs a brilliant defender behind him ie. Robbo. I see it how it is for the specific game, I know he’s 18, but don’t take that into account when assessing a game, just feel ESR probs deserves a run of starts going forward as we need more end product from a 10 position, especially when up against such an open team, although I’ve no doubt king will become a top prem player. (NT) -- Henry1879, Sunday, November 30, 07:47:11am (cpc113812-lea23-2-0-cust213.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.26.216.214)
- Good review, agree with most but thought King was terrificin the first half. I thought we would rue not getting that third goal, and the 10 mins after they scored was horrible. But very impressed how we tightened things up after that, Lukic and ESR brought a calmness back into our possession and as you say the final 15 mins was surprisingly comfortable. (NT) -- Kenny, Sunday, November 30, 07:39:54am (NoHost/91.196.223.249)
- Have to agree with most of that.I thought I was the only one who thought Leno might have done better with the goal.Terrific finish to be fair.Not keen on his long ball kicking either.Think he is past his best but still has his moments.King was excellent first half.Just about everybody put in a decent shift. (NT) -- HemelRog, Sunday, November 30, 08:52:22am (NoHost/90.215.43.146)
- I thought it was a howler by Leno tbh. Yes it was hit hard but an acute angle, pretty much straight at him and weird how he went with his right hand. Lots to agree with in the rest of your post - I thought we were getting completely overrun but as you say the subs were very effective (NT) -- JamieR, Sunday, November 30, 09:18:06am (232.173.6.51.dyn.plus.net/51.6.173.232)
- Commentators were talking about Silva’s contract running down, not Leno’s. This from wiki: On 13 December 2023, Leno signed a new contract with Fulham until the summer of 2027,[33][34] with a club option to extend it for a further season. (NT) -- SCA, Sunday, November 30, 09:44:01am (NoHost/90.205.150.81)
- Funny how we see things differently- Raul put in a huge shift and worked his socks off so zero complaints on that score - but just like last week- I thought his hold up and link up play was not at its best. (NT) -- f bloke, Sunday, November 30, 10:02:47am (NoHost/2.223.121.65)
- Bassey was great yesterday, and last week against Wolves. The defence are the sum of all the parts and have played well lately. (NT) -- Observer, Sunday, November 30, 11:04:23am (NoHost/90.202.14.192)
- Leno worries me at times, especially when he dithers about clearing the ball in his 6 yard box and nearly got closed down on a few occasions. Also, I do believe he could and should have done better with Kudus' shot . Again Leno got a needless booking for time wasting and for once Attwell didn't add too much time onto the 4 minute additional time, thank goodness. (NT) -- MWKent, Sunday, November 30, 11:47:49am (host-80-46-1-168.as13285.net/80.46.1.168)
- Great result.. -- Mr Kurkuruza, Sunday, November 30, 12:38:30am (217-155-46-35.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk/217.155.46.35)
But in that magnificent stadium Spurs should be winning games. Still who cares about Spurs but their own fans? That they were able to win the european final of abject mediocrity last season to gain a Champions League place, I thought was an injustice to better teams like Palace and Bournemouth. Has Frank over-stretched himself, moving from bus stop to Champions league? Quite possibly, and being a Levy pick he's vulnerable moving towards Christmas.Hope they havn't got one eye on Silva.
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- Difficult to say on Frank. There’s still a good amount of long ball and a specialist thrower rushing to both sides for a long throw. I’d say they are missing Maddison and Solanke who weirdly I’d have backed to score against us if playing. If he can’t get that team to perform, it might suggest Brentford was his limit. (NT) -- Barry@ENF, Sunday, November 30, 01:30:15am (NoHost/90.243.150.208)
- Its just not a good club to manage. Utterly unreasonable expectations. "Big Six" is laughable. Levy did an incredible job making them that financially, yet they hated him. But they've never been near the others in success and the fans have utterly unreasonable expectations on both style and how fast success must come. Frank is a good manager. The fans and media just don't seem to recognize how big the task in front of him is. (NT) -- eganonoa, Sunday, November 30, 07:04:23am (cable-146-255-156-96.dynamic.telemach.ba/146.255.156.96)
- Only grace you could give them is they are without Solanke/Maddison/Kulusevki/Son from last season which was a LOT of goals (NT) -- Waterboy, Sunday, November 30, 10:28:49am (NoHost/81.79.118.27)
- The Sky Bias is an utter disgrace Fulham got mentioned for 1 minute before the game and now it is an inquest into how bad spurs are . Complete joke -- Button, Saturday, November 29, 10:52:29pm (nmal-23-b2-v4wan-169190-cust1261.vm24.cable.virginm.net/80.5.116.238)
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- Brilliant win -- Alboy, Saturday, November 29, 10:02:56pm (NoHost/109.181.91.35)
Chuckweze class, Wilson goal unbelievable! Should have scored the third. Dug in second half Tete brilliant. Back four and Leno all did well and Raul excellent.
Great win coyw
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- He was good but I can see why he’s best used as a sub he faded badly in the second half also the berge/iwobi partnership is much better we look to go forward more which is nice bring on city (NT) -- coyw silva still not signed, Saturday, November 29, 10:14:57pm (NoHost/147.93.215.159)
- Tete was superb, easily my man of the match. (NT) -- Bexhill Beast, Saturday, November 29, 10:18:07pm (host86-136-159-39.range86-136.btcentralplus.com/86.136.159.39)
- Not 100% sure about Bassey's performance. OK, I guess. But the other three defenders were just fully on it. That may have been Tete's best ever. Even leaving aside the goal, he was just winning everything, always there when we needed him most, including that tackle at the end and the run to get fouled to kill the match. A near flawless performance and certainly my man of the match. Right now we're as close to 4th as the team one place behind us! (NT) -- eganonoa, Saturday, November 29, 10:21:52pm (cable-146-255-156-96.dynamic.telemach.ba/146.255.156.96)
- That hour period -- JoeT, Saturday, November 29, 09:59:39pm (cpc96906-walt25-2-0-cust362.13-2.cable.virginm.net/82.13.233.107)
So proud of the team after the nervy period of about 10 mins before and after their goal. I thought, here we go, we're going to blow this but we got tighter and saw out the win pretty easily in the end. Very good discipline. Well deserved 3 points
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- TOTTENHAM GET BATTERED….. -- Tala, Saturday, November 29, 09:58:49pm (NoHost/104.28.42.22)
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- Match -- Depressed, Saturday, November 29, 09:58:38pm (host-78-149-190-10.as13285.net/78.149.190.10)
Brilliant result
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- Iwobi as CM -- Alain, Saturday, November 29, 09:12:03pm (NoHost/103.214.46.90)
Is he the new Mousa Demebele in CM?
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- Nowhere near the quality, tackled to easily and gives the ball away cheaply. (NT) -- Cutler 22, Saturday, November 29, 09:20:07pm (customer.sfiabgr1.pop.starlinkisp.net/145.224.119.164)
- Rubbish. He was terrific. (NT) -- GA, Saturday, November 29, 10:06:47pm (ool-18b90125.dyn.optonline.net/24.185.1.37)
- Don’t think it’s his best position but he does give us more dynamism playing there than Lukic/Berge. (NT) -- Bexhill Beast, Saturday, November 29, 10:16:10pm (host86-136-159-39.range86-136.btcentralplus.com/86.136.159.39)
- Agreed. I thought we were often lightweight all over the pitch BUT we did battle even while be bullied off the ball relentlessly. We are a team of ballerina's, sans Sess and Bassey. (NT) -- RR, Saturday, November 29, 10:52:37pm (NoHost/104.220.143.92)
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harry wilson WIZARD!? -- esr is he black or white?, Saturday, November 29, 09:02:17pm (ns3060567.ip-162-19-121.eu/162.19.121.10)
vicaro MOTM?
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- Andreas Pereira playing in the FINAL (again) of the Copa Libertores! -- 10 mil well spent, Saturday, November 29, 08:01:52pm (ns3189953.ip-135-125-108.eu/135.125.108.219)
wel done big man.!
could had gone to MArsellie for 30m
ended up in Brazil for 10 mil
AND in thier CL final
top man!
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- Good start. Results so far have gone our way but was a close call. -- Little Richard, Saturday, November 29, 05:49:15pm (NoHost/91.242.215.75)
It's Saturday night, I just got paid, fool about my money, no time to save. Fulham's gonna Rip It Up.
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- Exciting shopping question -- Travelex, Saturday, November 29, 09:22:15am (host109-156-95-251.range109-156.btcentralplus.com/109.156.95.251)
Couple of things I want to get on the FFC black Friday sale, anyone know if it's online only or the offers will on in the shop on Tuesday? Thanks
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- So, Marco is clear: " We are very pleased with each other. The structure of the club, from owner to CEO, and the people around myself. Very good environment every day at the club." -- Paddington in Peru, Saturday, November 29, 04:18:23am (NoHost/158.173.23.2)
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- Ground tour -- Ken, Friday, November 28, 06:29:23pm (33C63E8e.skybroadband.com/51.198.62.142)
I am thinking of asking my family for the ground tour as I've never done it. Can anyone tell me how much it costs? Thank you
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- you can book it online tickets via FULHAMFC.COM (NT) -- D block, Friday, November 28, 06:42:53pm (NoHost/2.220.204.91)
- It's not a lot and really really worth it. Took my old man and loved it. (NT) -- Jim©, Friday, November 28, 06:49:20pm (92.40.212.205.threembb.co.uk/92.40.212.205)
- https://www.eticketing.co.uk/fulhamfc/Events?preFilter=5&preFilterName=Craven%20Cottage%20Tours%20 (NT) -- D block, Friday, November 28, 06:56:34pm (NoHost/2.220.204.91)
Re: Ground tour..... its absoiluckly fantastic... you even get to see Tony DOF's desk and if you lucky him sat there working on Fulham transfers and strategies (NT) -- spi9s, Friday, November 28, 07:18:09pm (static-68-235-44-20.cust.tzulo.com/68.235.44.20)
- Went on Monday. Black Friday week deal meant it was only 22.50. Usually 30. Lasts nearly an hour and a half but worth every penny if you’ve never set foot inside the cottage. Loads of photo ops, unique views and the guides are fantastic too. (NT) -- bs, Saturday, November 29, 01:26:39am (NoHost/2.126.48.26)
- friendly headsup #Fulham related -- full gear spotted, Friday, November 28, 02:42:21pm (ns5030862.ip-148-113-178.net/148.113.178.132)
So just to remind anyone shopping on Amazon this Good Friday...
that if you make any Amazon purchase.. you get a free 30 day trial with PRIME TV
and with that you get some access to tony khan videos.. AEW. NFL, FFC
lets see what our DOF has been upto this past week for instance?
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- Anyone with interest in football -- b+w g., Friday, November 28, 09:04:45am (host81-159-15-110.range81-159.btcentralplus.com/81.159.15.110)
who (like me) had not seen the famous goal by Lennart Karl at age 10 may enjoy catching up at:
www.youtube.com/shorts/RR-KzKGpqH0
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- Send Kusi-Asare back and ask them to give us him instead? (NT) -- k, Friday, November 28, 09:13:27am (NoHost/90.213.242.75)
- Good lord, that is outrageous! (NT) -- Bexhill Beast, Friday, November 28, 10:36:56am (host86-136-159-39.range86-136.btcentralplus.com/86.136.159.39)
- The marking was very poor though :o)... only joking, showed his quality very early. Have to say, we do see stuff like that in junior football a lot of the times, but invariably the player, along with thousands of others, disappears without trace. (NT) -- Straw Clutchers Anonymous, Friday, November 28, 02:43:54pm (NoHost/90.205.150.81)
- Reminds me of one of those absolutely outrageous goals Le Tissier used to score. (NT) -- eganonoa, Friday, November 28, 04:12:09pm (cable-146-255-156-96.dynamic.telemach.ba/146.255.156.96)
- Liam Rosenior -- Fkev, Thursday, November 27, 10:08:43pm (138.236.147.147.dyn.plus.net/147.147.236.138)
Strasbourg beat Palace after going a goal down. Super result
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- Marco has a conundrum to solve if reports are to be believed that Robinson is nearing fitness. How does he fit Robinson and Sess in the same team? -- Straw Clutchers Anonymous, Thursday, November 27, 02:32:14pm (NoHost/90.205.150.81)
Can't see him playing Sess in front to Kevin or Chukueze.
With age being on Sess's side, wouldn't be surprised to see Robinson go for big bucks in January to fund the striker position..
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- Sess can play as a right-sided forward. Did will in that role against Liverpool last season (to highlight just one example)... (NT) -- k, Thursday, November 27, 02:41:09pm (NoHost/90.213.242.75)
- If Sess is to play (and I think he should, it should be LW or RW. Robinson is our best player and we are different team with him in it. (NT) -- Adored, Thursday, November 27, 02:50:27pm (NoHost/161.12.62.42)
- We should have sold Robinson a year ago when his stock was at its highest. (NT) -- GA, Thursday, November 27, 03:02:07pm (ool-18b90125.dyn.optonline.net/24.185.1.37)
- I suspect (without any evidence of course!), that that may been the plan, scuppered by playing on through his injury and subsequent time out. Also scuppering the big money striker purchase. (NT) -- SCA, Thursday, November 27, 03:11:51pm (NoHost/90.205.150.81)
- I agree. I think the whole summer transfer problem was a knock-on impact of Robinson's surgery. He would've been perfect for Liverpool pre-Kerkez. (NT) -- eganonoa, Thursday, November 27, 03:28:08pm (NoHost/195.222.49.31)
- Yes because we could have got us another Kevin ! Great idea . Muniz is the future if motivated . (NT) -- alanos, Saturday, November 29, 11:47:21pm (82-132-235-45.dab.02.net/82.132.235.45)
- Great idea . Sell Robinson and get us another Kevin . Sounds about right . Sell out best player and buy a forward we don’t need who will cost more even more . Because just check out where spending hundreds of millions on Strikers has got Spurs . Muniz , if motivated, will be better than anything we can bring in . (NT) -- alanos, Saturday, November 29, 11:55:37pm (82-132-235-45.dab.02.net/82.132.235.45)
- ditto Muniz! (NT) -- CB, Thursday, November 27, 03:48:18pm (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
- Oh for goodness sake !! (NT) -- AG, Thursday, November 27, 06:08:21pm (82-132-233-90.dab.02.net/82.132.233.90)
- IF THE CLUB and MARCO have been clever.. theyve hopefully bean saving JEDI for when WE lose 3 players to the AFCON. then JEDI comes back in as LB..moving SESS to winger..likey RW.. and Wilson? RW but also AM or LW .. this one move helps solve much of the holes losing iwobi AND Chuks........ Cuena in for Seabass of course.. with maybe a recall OF DeFulgs from his loan spell (IF needed Jan1st) (NT) -- coyws never truer!!!, Thursday, November 27, 03:11:11pm (ns5007995.ip-51-222-248.net/51.222.248.206)
- Truly difficult decision. Clearly we need Robinson in the team. But given our struggles for goals it doesn't seem sensible to drop either Wilson or Sess, who are our best finishers beyond Muniz/Raul. So Kevin and Chuckwaeze on the bench? I can't see that. Sess right forward, Wilson in the middle in place of King, Kevin/Chuck left? Can't see that either. More than likely Marco sits Sess and swaps him for Robinson around 70 mins to save his legs. Don't like it, but what to do? (NT) -- eganonoa, Thursday, November 27, 03:26:35pm (NoHost/195.222.49.31)
- Jedi won't command big money.He has to be given the chance to prove himself again after this injury. Love to see him back but must incorporate Sess and Chuck ( Must start!) (NT) -- CB, Thursday, November 27, 03:47:20pm (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
- Probably won’t happen, but perhaps there is a case for starting Sess against the ‘weaker’ teams and Jedi when up against the top sides as he is undoubtedly the better defender. (NT) -- Bexhill Beast, Thursday, November 27, 05:36:03pm (host86-136-159-39.range86-136.btcentralplus.com/86.136.159.39)
- There is no room for sentimentality in Premier League football. You play your best team, and our best left back is Robinson. Whether Sessignon can take up another role in the team would depend on whether a player who is arguably a utility player if not playing at left back, can oust a player who specialises in one position. (NT) -- Mr Kurkuruza, Thursday, November 27, 10:33:26pm (217-155-46-35.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk/217.155.46.35)
- Sess is such a good player going forward that when Iwobi departs for ANC he is more than capable of stepping into his shoes (NT) -- Jonathan Baines, Friday, November 28, 05:03:57am (cust-51.179.201.104.cgn.as5482.net/51.179.201.104)
- Sess has more goals than any of our wide options (NT) -- Waterboy, Friday, November 28, 04:33:17pm (NoHost/81.79.118.27)
- West Ham away -- Cockney Rebel, Wednesday, November 26, 05:31:32pm (host-92-24-210-86.as13285.net/92.24.210.86)
Anyone know how sales are going under 750 points hoping to get one tomorrow fingers crossed.
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- There's loads left, looks like more blocks still to be opened also. You'll be fine. (NT) -- Wolfie Smith, Wednesday, November 26, 06:41:46pm (host86-165-51-1.range86-165.btcentralplus.com/86.165.51.1)
- Re: West Ham away (NT) -- West Ham not a fixture our fans go crazy about, Thursday, November 27, 01:59:49pm (host-92-24-210-86.as13285.net/92.24.210.86)
- Re: West Ham away (NT) -- Security in and out of the ground ( Keystone Kops), Thursday, November 27, 02:36:24pm (host-92-24-210-86.as13285.net/92.24.210.86)
- Never again, been twice, nightmare getting in and eaving. (NT) -- Al, Thursday, November 27, 03:27:05pm (cust-141.195.141.58.customers.as5482.net/141.195.141.58)
- Kusi-Asare or Loupalo-Bi…..Under 21’s last night. -- Bad Boy, Wednesday, November 26, 03:27:19pm (NoHost/2.222.160.125)
JKA made his U21 debut and scored a goal plus a yellow card. Aaron replaced him after 60 minutes. So I’m none the wiser about who gets the nod to make the squad on Saturday v Spurs. Neither will start, but there has to be a place on the bench for one of ‘em ( Surely? ) Gotta say if JKA is overlooked again my thoughts are he may well be recalled by BM pretty bloody soon.
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- It may feel disappointing this season but... -- TBF, Wednesday, November 26, 11:57:48am (NoHost/148.252.156.240)
... of the games we were bookies' favourites, we are P 4, W 4
When we weren't favourite, P 6, W 0, D 2, L 4
It would obviously be better to have picked up some unexpected wins, but we're basically performing to par.
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- P 8, L 6... Sorry (NT) -- TBF, Wednesday, November 26, 12:02:32pm (host86-161-183-241.range86-161.btcentralplus.com/86.161.183.241)
- Between now and mid way through the season we play 3 teams below us and 4 above us. (NT) -- ASPT, Wednesday, November 26, 12:02:56pm (114-129-187-208.ip4.superloop.au/114.129.187.208)
- Yes, we're 1 point behind the same fixtures (replacing promo/relegated) teams. Surprise results at Chel and Newcastle not that likely to be repeated. No panic needed. Bright (a) - 1 (0) Man U (h) - 1 (0) Che (a) - 0 (3) Lee (h) - 3 (3) Bren (h) - 3 (3) Villa (a) - 0 (0) Bour (a) - 0 (0) Ars (h) - 0 (1) New (a) - 0 (3) Wolv (h) - 3 (0) Eve (a) - 0 (1 ) Sun (h) - 3 (1) Total - 14 (15) (NT) -- Magic Matt, Wednesday, November 26, 12:31:27pm (NoHost/136.226.167.78)
- Where did you get this from? It's good to see. I thought the same recently. We played teams in form or coming into form. Plus Chelsea also were not as good when we played them so it built our expectations up a bit when we deserved to beat them (NT) -- TRE, Wednesday, November 26, 03:38:59pm (31.242.158.185.baremetal.zare.com/185.158.242.31)
- That's very interesting. Obviously, the bookies will move with their own perceptions of our weaknesses, so you'd expect the odds to shift somewhat as we did worse. But irrespective, a big feature of last season was we didn't win the matches we should have. And we'd be looking at a very different table if we had been able to get a result from one of those two matches we were robbed by VAR (ManU, Chelsea). (NT) -- eganonoa, Wednesday, November 26, 06:10:29pm (NoHost/195.222.49.31)
- Because Muniz only made an effort ( and often scored) against the big clubs . He did score against Wolves but that was a deflection . Was trying to miss. Perhaps the bookies odds by now reflect all the relevant factors (NT) -- alanos, Wednesday, November 26, 07:10:39pm (82-132-232-252.dab.02.net/82.132.232.252)
- Last season you regularly claimed the same about his goal at Man City and that he didn't celebrate it because he was so upset that it went in! (NT) -- Your a drug-ravaged imbecile., Wednesday, November 26, 08:14:16pm (static-198-44-157-89.cust.tzulo.com/198.44.157.89)
- You are depiberately lying .Eganona’s psy-ops group ? I said that of Wolves not Man City . I said I heard on the radio in a taxi that he had scored against wolves . I thought perhaps I am wrong and he is trying to win and score against the smaller clubs too . Then when I saw the goal it showed not only a deflection but his annoyed look when it went in .Someone linked to some video of him celebrating . If it was same game it was later . Or could have been another game or an ai fake (NT) -- alanos, Wednesday, November 26, 08:24:28pm (82-132-234-157.dab.02.net/82.132.234.157)
- I am not blaming him .He is young , was probably being manipulated my agents and other and had a ludicrous contract situation ( less than 10 per cent of average Fulham players wage ) I was happy extremely that he was given a new contract but was still concerned by (a) his unavailability to play (b) that the psy-ops team were still through Samuel saying every other minute he is not premiership level . Why would they carry on with this campaign if they were reconciled to him staying (NT) -- alanos, Wednesday, November 26, 08:38:51pm (82-132-234-157.dab.02.net/82.132.234.157)
- "Happy , listening on radio to hear Muniz had scored . Perhaps I was wrong ,I thought, about Muniz having been got at and trying NOT to score , in pursuit of a quick transfer for little money . Ah sadly it turns out the strike took a big deflection ,and his goal ‘celebration ‘ was less than convincing . Oh well -- alanos, Sunday, October 06, 01:09:50pm (82-132-213-0.dab.02.net/82.132.213.0)" Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20241011094734/http://www.voy.com/13865/ (NT) -- Coldturkey screws your brain, start popping again!, Wednesday, November 26, 09:01:42pm (static-198-44-157-100.cust.tzulo.com/198.44.157.100)
- I would think our home points total is spot on, 4 wins against lower sides and onky 1 defeat. Conceded only 3 as well. (NT) -- Waterboy, Wednesday, November 26, 06:12:55pm (NoHost/148.252.140.98)
- How many points -- Fkev, Wednesday, November 26, 09:07:55am (NoHost/57.133.213.87)
from our next 2 games would you deem as decent - I'd probably bite your arm off for 2 right now. Anything more than that would be amazing...
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- Yes two would be a good return, truly believe we could go to Spurs and win though, they are on a bad run... (NT) -- p, Wednesday, November 26, 09:30:04am (host81-133-110-86.in-addr.btopenworld.com/81.133.110.86)
- A couple of points would be nice. More importantly, good performances hopefully so that we can build some momentum for games against Palace, Burnley, Newcastle (Carabao Cup), Forest and West Ham. (NT) -- FFC in Brighton., Wednesday, November 26, 11:08:13am (NoHost/2.120.137.10)
- Re: How many points (NT) -- Playing Man City does feel impossible, Wednesday, November 26, 04:44:42pm (host-92-24-210-86.as13285.net/92.24.210.86)
- Think we win tonight (NT) -- OJ, Saturday, November 29, 06:47:40am (212-8-243-115.hosted-by-worldstream.net/212.8.243.115)
- Kusi-Asare just scored for Fulham U21s against Aldershot... -- p, Tuesday, November 25, 08:14:10pm (NoHost/90.213.242.75)
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- Still a poor result against a team near bottom of the National League. (NT) -- CB, Tuesday, November 25, 10:51:46pm (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
- Premier U21 wins against mostly more experienced mens teams almost as rare as hens teeth.Have a look at the other results last night. (NT) -- HemelRog, Wednesday, November 26, 07:39:57am (NoHost/90.215.43.146)
- I follow Alreshot and Wokings results and can tell you they can’t buy a win . We are not talking one of the 92 clubs here. Premiership U21s train more are paid better and some expected to step up to first team. (NT) -- CB, Wednesday, November 26, 08:34:17am (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
- Sorry pardon.Last nights results confirm my point.Not sure what yours is. (NT) -- HemelRog, Wednesday, November 26, 08:45:04am (NoHost/90.215.43.146)
- Pretty obvious you would expect our U21s to beat a team 2nd bottom of National League with 5+ defeats on the bounce. West Ham comfortably beat Truro (NT) -- CB, Wednesday, November 26, 09:01:57am (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
- Fulham u 21s have been one of the best in the country over the last 2 yrs or so but the harsh reality is that more than half the squad will likely earn a living at a level below the likes of Aldershot – see Sonny Hilton as an example. The standard is extraordinarily high. Success is not so much about results but finding the odd gem that can knock on the first team door or that are good enough at eg the Championship level so that we can profit on sales/sell-ons. (NT) -- f bloke, Wednesday, November 26, 09:16:25am (NoHost/2.223.121.65)
- Take a look at the National League Cup tables, fool. Of the 16 U21 teams involved over the 4 mini-leagues, ONLY West Ham and possibly Newcastle have any chance of progressing to the play-offs! (NT) -- CB=Complete Bollox, Wednesday, November 26, 09:21:13am (static-198-44-157-121.cust.tzulo.com/198.44.157.121)
- Everton ,MU,Burnley,Wolves and Brighton(on penalties to the terrible Woking)all lost.It is an ongoing trend.Big deal WHU beat Truro(not exactly worldbeaters).Should they all hang their heads in shame as well.Our youngsters do fine against their peers. (NT) -- HemelRog, Wednesday, November 26, 09:59:12am (NoHost/90.215.43.146)
- Also 5 or 6 of our best U21's are out on loan this season. (NT) -- Facts 'r' us, Wednesday, November 26, 10:26:06am (NoHost/213.207.132.12)
- It can be hard to see Premier League youth losing to semi-pro adults and see the positive. But I think there's a misunderstanding of overall youth team quality and the aging curve. Put simply: not all youth players make it, many end up semi-pros; and it is hard being young against adults. The reactions to my list of players who scored 12+ Championship goals at age 20- show this. People see 12 goals a league down and think "so what"? They don't see how momentous that is for someone that age. (NT) -- eganonoa, Wednesday, November 26, 09:06:05am (NoHost/195.222.49.31)
- Yes that can be true but these aren’t kids and we had plenty enough talent to beat Aldershot last night.IMO. Hence poor result all things considered (NT) -- CB, Wednesday, November 26, 09:17:32am (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
- 16 players involved for FFC last night, ages: 4x17, 5x18, 4x19, 3x20. So these ARE kids! (NT) -- Get a grip!, Wednesday, November 26, 09:45:43am (NoHost/82.102.31.156)
- It's genuinely not the same game, quite literally man v boys. The physical strength/development of a 17/18 year old is vastly different hence the results. We played 5 of the U18s last night too. For me, Kusi Asare looked better than anyone else on the pitch. (NT) -- Jim© The Devon IP, Wednesday, November 26, 09:47:02am (62-64-192-58.virtual1.co.uk/62.64.192.58)
- Blah, blah, blah, me, me, me, stats, stats, more stats, blah, blah, blah......... (NT) -- ad nauseam, Wednesday, November 26, 10:17:43am (NoHost/217.138.217.62)
- Thank you for your very useful contribution to this board. My VPN-using stalker. It's hard to deal with seasonal affective disorder during these dark months. Ireland is particularly affected, I know. I hope at least you get something out of your posts. (NT) -- eganonoa, Wednesday, November 26, 11:02:00am (NoHost/195.222.49.31)
- I think he gets to feel superior which is the deepest of ironies. (NT) -- The Man With No Name, Wednesday, November 26, 11:24:00am (host31-53-233-48.range31-53.btcentralplus.com/31.53.233.48)
- A grand total of 16 new messages on the first page at the moment, he has written approaching 40 replies, nost of which are repeted, self-opiniated, stats-only based assumptions! Not sure it's me with the superiority complex. (NT) -- But, hey-ho!, Wednesday, November 26, 11:43:10am (NoHost/212.103.49.70)
- Ha ha! Quality. You nailed it. Its very very sad. Clearly a difficult life and needs human interaction, but doesn't have the tools to go about it constructively. (NT) -- eganonoa, Wednesday, November 26, 12:36:33pm (NoHost/172.59.195.238)
- 13 matches last night - 3 wins by the U21s. A very typical set of results. Often the lower League and National League teams use the matches to give game time to non regulars so weakened teams. But they still win. (NT) -- The Man With No Name, Wednesday, November 26, 09:10:54am (host31-53-233-48.range31-53.btcentralplus.com/31.53.233.48)
- Witness our FA Youth Cup Finalists 10 years ago. Senior careers followed for Dembele, Roberts, Rodak and Burgess. Liam Donnelly found his level in the Scottish Prem, as did Emerson Hyndman in the States. After 15 games with us, it's been lower and non-league ever since for George Williams. That leaves 9 others: Ryeem Sheckleford, Jordan Evans, Soloman Sambou, Dean O’Halloran, Magnus Norman, Joshua Smile Noe Baba, Aaron Redford, Joshua Walker. (NT) -- b+w g., Wednesday, November 26, 01:24:53pm (host81-159-15-110.range81-159.btcentralplus.com/81.159.15.110)
- Sheckleford actually played for Aldershot last night against our U21s. (NT) -- Scott, Wednesday, November 26, 02:19:41pm (host31-53-72-64.range31-53.btcentralplus.com/31.53.72.64)
- Norman was at Oldham, now St Albans in the Isthmian Prem. Noe Baba had a weird career, now at Athlone in Ireland. Josh Smile, who I thought was decent, last seen at Banbury Town. Soloman Sambou at Hadley? Josh Walker at Southend. Rest gave up I reckon. (NT) -- Jim© The Devon IP, Wednesday, November 26, 03:25:40pm (62-64-192-58.virtual1.co.uk/62.64.192.58)
- There was also Cauley and Grimmer from the year before - but your list is very illustrative and that u 18s side is probably the best we have had. The harsh reality of academy football is that most of the players are there to help show case the talent of the one or two who may just possibly make it to the top level. A friend of mine is a St Albans fan and he often watched Sambou play - his assessment was a tidy player at that level but definitely not a stand out player. (NT) -- f bloke, Wednesday, November 26, 03:28:34pm (NoHost/2.223.121.65)
- What I liked about Saturday's game: -- Alboy, Tuesday, November 25, 07:54:33pm (NoHost/109.181.91.35)
We attacked with pace through Wilson and Kevin. The only issue I had with Kevin is he needs to do better with his final ball. Also on the two goalscoring opportunities he had to show a little more composure. He is still young and that will come with time. Chuckweze on the other hand was brilliant with his crossing and passing a d showed that he is now ready to start. Wilson also was excellent he looked our main threat. I think we also have to give credit to Jiminez who kept going even if the service to him was not great. The other big plus for me is Emile Smith-Rowe looks to be returning to fitness and form he looked very good when he came on. Thought Bergh had his best game a d he and Iwobi did well in the middle. It certainly gives Marco a conundrum in the next game. Lukic will be available and Robinson surely will be ready soon. Sessegnon has been excellent in his absence which shows we do have a good squad. The areas probably we would need help in I guess is up front and possibly another central midfielder. Be interesting to hear what you guys think?
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- I think/observe that Berge has looked at his best for us, by far, in the absence of Lukic. It should be either/or for the starting 11 in most fixtures, inclusive of the next. Other players, including several you've named will benefit. (NT) -- b+w g., Tuesday, November 25, 08:13:33pm (host81-159-15-110.range81-159.btcentralplus.com/81.159.15.110)
- So after repeating everything you already said over the weekend, are you willing to admit that the cr@p-show at Everton was down to team-selection (Lukic instead of King) and tactics? Or was that still down to Marco being let down? (NT) -- Can't really have it both ways!, Tuesday, November 25, 09:41:11pm (NoHost/213.207.132.6)
- Weird that Chuck came on to grace the left hs. Is it time for Kevin / Wilson / Chuk front line? Not really Silva’s style, 2 tricky wingers, the 2nd winger is usually there to make runs. When Jedi comes back, he’ll make so much room for Kevin. Silva may see Iwobi / Bergs as too attacking for Sat. But it looked far more balanced and insisive (NT) -- ASPT, Tuesday, November 25, 10:05:21pm (114-129-187-208.ip4.superloop.au/114.129.187.208)
- If Silva were to leave (though I hope he doesn't)... -- p, Tuesday, November 25, 01:50:08pm (host81-133-110-86.in-addr.btopenworld.com/81.133.110.86)
What about Regis Le Bris?
If Sunderland were to revote to type (as in, a newly promoted side) and begin sliding down the table, may be more than happy to jump ship.
Seems like the sort of earnest, cosmopolitan type who does well at Fulham (a la, Tigana, Silva, maybe Jokanovic?)
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- If sunderland slide down the table, he’ll have exactly 1 good season to his name. I would personally hope the club would be aiming a bit higher. (NT) -- Same old story, Tuesday, November 25, 04:34:36pm (NoHost/148.252.146.167)
- Thiago Motta still on the Jsm Roll. But that presser from Marco tells me that this might not be needed. (NT) -- ASPT, Tuesday, November 25, 05:42:35pm (114-129-187-208.ip4.superloop.au/114.129.187.208)
- LBM or Liam Rosenior could be worth a try (NT) -- Crafty Cottage, Tuesday, November 25, 11:31:51pm (NoHost/94.10.141.250)
- Kusi-Asare -- Juan, Tuesday, November 25, 09:25:45am (NoHost/176.255.37.151)
B Munich may recall him in January, report says in Germany.
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- Yesterday's bayernstrikes.com article? - "It remains to be seen if Bayern have an option to cancel the loan in the winter transfer window" (NT) -- MF, Tuesday, November 25, 09:42:08am (NoHost/212.103.232.179)
- Funnily enough I was on the Fulham focus podcast on sunday night and said that this is something we should be looking at anyway. Absolutely no point having a player at the club that the manager simply doesn't want to use, in a position we need cover in. May as well try to reduce the loss of whats been a bad deal for us, and redirect the funds elsewhere. (NT) -- Same Old Story, Tuesday, November 25, 09:57:54am (NoHost/84.66.55.127)
- I assumed he was brought in with a view to him replacing Jimenez so more of a long-term investment. It is strange however that he barely seems to be getting any action at all, particularly in our present predicament & assuming we are weighing up whether to exercise the option to purchase. (NT) -- Bexhill Beast, Tuesday, November 25, 11:15:07am (host86-136-159-39.range86-136.btcentralplus.com/86.136.159.39)
- God I hope not. Not because I like the player - none of us know anything really - but because we've got to stop endlessly dropping money into 3rd strikers! (NT) -- eganonoa, Tuesday, November 25, 12:10:02pm (cable-146-255-156-96.dynamic.telemach.ba/146.255.156.96)
- That was true when we had two fit strikers and the third wasn't getting on the pitch. Things have changed and given that this is likely Raul's last season with us a Prem ready striker is essential in January. God knows who of course. (NT) -- The Man With No Name, Tuesday, November 25, 12:35:24pm (host31-53-233-48.range31-53.btcentralplus.com/31.53.233.48)
- I just don't believe Marco will play him, whoever it is. He'll come in in late Jan as per our usual, Marco will want to give him 1.5-2 months to get up to speed, as per his usual, and then Muniz will be back. More money sunk, like with did with Broja. Leopard just doesn't change his spots, and between Marco and Tony Khan we have two of them that jointly don't make me confident we'd be doing anything more than just burning money. (NT) -- eganonoa, Tuesday, November 25, 12:41:24pm (cable-146-255-156-96.dynamic.telemach.ba/146.255.156.96)
- All may be true, but no harm in having a 3rd choice who is more ready to take the pitch in those rare occasions than JKA. (NT) -- Same Old Story, Tuesday, November 25, 12:44:40pm (NoHost/84.66.55.127)
- Unless this is all a misreading and JKA is more likely to be used in the New Year having gotten his Marco-approved time in. As I forecast in our conversations at the end of the summer, it would take months before we saw Kevin/Chuckwaeze regularly, which it did. Stands to reason, it'll take a bit longer for JKA. To my mind, we have to force Marco's hand with these things. It can't all be expensive, experienced players and it's not as if a loan for one will be free! (NT) -- eganonoa, Tuesday, November 25, 12:49:33pm (cable-146-255-156-96.dynamic.telemach.ba/146.255.156.96)
- But thats my point - we've plenty of budget for one. Permanent transfers have the concern over the knock on into SCR, but with all loan costs being in year, thats not a consideration, and we have loads of in year leeway with PSR, which ends this summer. January is the perfect time, in a transition period, to spend a bit more in year, if neccessary (NT) -- Same Old Story, Tuesday, November 25, 12:57:09pm (NoHost/84.66.55.127)
- I think it's reasonable to assume that the recent talks will have covered these matters. We'll see what happens. (NT) -- The Man With No Name, Tuesday, November 25, 12:45:06pm (host31-53-233-48.range31-53.btcentralplus.com/31.53.233.48)
- As per first response - i'm not sure we can not get someone considering the Muniz injury. A sensible solution would be to get another loan player in (and cancelling JKA seems the most sensible thing to do in that case). A loan player would be an in year cost and wouldn't affect next seasons SCR shift. (NT) -- Same Old Story, Tuesday, November 25, 12:42:47pm (NoHost/84.66.55.127)
- He looked underwheling and seriously off the top level in his cup minutes. The charge is that Marco won't use a 3rd striker, but Vini got game time, as did Broja as a sub (right when Muniz was in his purple patch). Kusi-Asare didn't look like someone I'd want coming off the bench. (NT) -- HE, Tuesday, November 25, 03:10:05pm (lewi-28-b2-v4wan-166893-cust665.vm4.cable.virginm.net/86.16.2.154)
- Re: Kusi-Asare….£4m loan fee for a few minutes of game time and frozen out by Marco. That’s gonna piss off TK right royally. (NT) -- Chris, Tuesday, November 25, 05:15:13pm (chrismorgan76.plus.com/81.174.137.222)
- Kevin, Isaak, Smith Rowe, Cuehna, Sjesko, Wissa, Kudus, Beto, Berry -- psr, Tuesday, November 25, 08:57:37am (NoHost/109.78.33.252)
Long list of really expensive forwards who struggle to score
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- Quite differing expectations there, i would expect someone like Isak to be scoring plenty more than Kevin (NT) -- Waterboy, Tuesday, November 25, 09:04:50am (NoHost/81.79.118.27)
- Wissa has been injured since the summer (NT) -- Button, Tuesday, November 25, 01:07:23pm (nmal-23-b2-v4wan-169190-cust1261.vm24.cable.virginm.net/80.5.116.238)
- Kevin has started 3 games. You missed Zirkzee (NT) -- ASPT, Tuesday, November 25, 05:45:06pm (114-129-187-208.ip4.superloop.au/114.129.187.208)
- Stansfield -- RR, Monday, November 24, 08:52:23pm (NoHost/104.220.143.92)
2 more goals Saturday. Birmingham paid a lot for him, and we probably needed to sell to buy that window; however, given our forward situation, he can score goals.
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- His 23rd birthday today. When he was last in the Championship it was his age 20 season and he scored 12 goals. The list of players who scored 12 or more goals in their age 20 season in the Championship in the last decade is a whos who of top forwards. He's currently 4th top scorer in the Championship, having scored a whopping 1/3rd of all goals his club have scored. Definitely a player we should already be regretting selling. (NT) -- eganonoa, Monday, November 24, 09:00:54pm (NoHost/185.98.170.36)
- He left because he wanted regular minutes on the pitch which he wouldn't have got with us and therefore arguably wouldn't be the plsyer he is today. (NT) -- Move on. Nothing to see here., Monday, November 24, 09:10:22pm (NoHost/2.120.137.10)
- He left because we sold him. He didn't exactly push his way out. But even if he had that would've been because he couldn't see a route to playing time. That says more about our own poor structure, and our manager's refusal to play third strikers he demands, than it does about us. You should see the list of players I mention. It shows it is a near guarantee of Premier League success. (NT) -- eganonoa, Monday, November 24, 09:46:15pm (cable-146-255-156-96.dynamic.telemach.ba/146.255.156.96)
- Wind your neck in mate. He was in the pecking order behind mitrovic and then jiminez. He did start to play games for us, starting our league cup game against his current employer I think he might have scored as well. So he would have seen a route to playing. He was hero worshipped at Birmingham and a young kids ego loves attention like that. Also he's on a massively increased wage there which he would never have got at Fulham at that stage of his career. (NT) -- Jimmy Hill's Chin, Tuesday, November 25, 08:54:02am (NoHost/176.248.211.130)
- Exactly that. Young player with potential gets/got a chance to play regularly and build himself a decent reputation. (NT) -- FFC in Brighton., Tuesday, November 25, 10:58:28am (NoHost/217.163.2.228)
- Mitrovic was long gone when Stansfield was sold. He was indeed behind Muniz and Raul for No. 9. But (a) the manager constantly insists on a 3rd striker and we've spent about £15m between Broja and JKA there and lost a Vini sale; and (b) he's versatile and can play wide, where he played in the League Cup. Once he left we needed to bring Willian in to satisfy Marco and this summer invested heavily in more wide forwards. It was a poor decision no matter how you slice it. (NT) -- eganonoa, Tuesday, November 25, 11:31:36am (cable-146-255-156-96.dynamic.telemach.ba/146.255.156.96)
- Utter crap, Willian was brought in because we lost Nelson and Wilson. (NT) -- Nothing to do with Stansfield., Tuesday, November 25, 12:18:31pm (customer.vpls.net/107.6.254.139)
- So now we're saying that signing a player of Willian's pedigree was a bad move are we ? Either way, Birmingham City reportedly offered Jay a 7 year deal so my money's on the move being a no-brainer for him regardless of whether or not we had any desire to keep him. (NT) -- FFC in Brighton., Tuesday, November 25, 12:23:51pm (NoHost/2.120.137.10)
- No, I'm saying that financially this wasn't near as good a move as people are making out. It wasn't just free money in. It created squad spaces we had to, and continue to need to, spend significant sums to fill. JKA, Willian, Vini's cancelled sale, whoever we eventually bring in to replace JKA and, later, Raul. All money we needn't have spent had we kept him and given him a real shake at the team. As per my other post, his age 20 season indicates he is very likely to succeed at PL level. (NT) -- eganonoa, Tuesday, November 25, 12:29:07pm (cable-146-255-156-96.dynamic.telemach.ba/146.255.156.96)
- Mitrovic wasn't "long gone" when sold. It was 2 transfer windows. What you are forgetting, probably conveniently as all you do is spout stats, is how much he went for. 15m with 5m add ons plus 20% sell on fee. Imagine how many extra players that got us for a kid who hadn't yet proved himself in football and still hasn't in the premier league. I don't think anyone on here complained about the sale, yourself included, at the time. (NT) -- Jimmy Hill's Chin, Tuesday, November 25, 01:37:10pm (NoHost/176.248.211.130)
- We’ll only ever regret selling him if he’s playing at a higher level than us. BIG step up from where he is (NT) -- ASPT, Monday, November 24, 10:18:20pm (114-129-187-208.ip4.superloop.au/114.129.187.208)
- There seems to be some objection to me posting this, but will do so again. Players age 20- seasons scoring 12+ goals in the Championship in last decade: Mihailo Ivanović, Jonathan Rowe, Jay Stansfield, Amad Diallo, Brennan Johnson, Bryan Mbuemo, Tammy Abraham, Diogo Jota, Jarrod Bowen, James Madison, Neal Maupay, Moussa Dembele. (NT) -- eganonoa, Tuesday, November 25, 12:07:32pm (cable-146-255-156-96.dynamic.telemach.ba/146.255.156.96)
- Is that 20, or under 20 and under? Because Sess did it at 17 (NT) -- Same Old Story, Tuesday, November 25, 12:49:10pm (NoHost/84.66.55.127)
- God Brennan John and Neal Maupay. Wish we had those guys. (NT) -- HE, Tuesday, November 25, 03:04:36pm (lewi-28-b2-v4wan-166893-cust665.vm4.cable.virginm.net/86.16.2.154)
- In case anyone is interested, the 11 players to achieve this before Stansfield (i.e. Diallo, Johnson, Mbuemo, Abraham, Jota, Bowen, Maddison, Lewis-Potter, Sessegnon, Maupay and Dembele) have averaged 137 top-flight appearances (9369 mins), 35 goals, 21 assists, or 0.54 goal contributions per minute in the top-flight. Dembele, of course, didn't play in the Premier League. If you exclude him, so just Premier League, its: 138 apps (9511 mins), 33 goals, 22 assists, 0.52 goal contribs per 90. (NT) -- eganonoa, Tuesday, November 25, 07:03:15pm (cable-146-255-156-96.dynamic.telemach.ba/146.255.156.96)
- I wonder how much we are going to have to spend in January for a striker? (NT) -- Bexhill Beast, Tuesday, November 25, 07:59:33am (host86-136-159-39.range86-136.btcentralplus.com/86.136.159.39)
- It was a record bid for a player from a league 1 side and we wanted to play regularly, i dont blame the club although having scored at every level it was possible he could have done it for us (NT) -- Waterboy, Tuesday, November 25, 09:01:09am (NoHost/81.79.118.27)
- Re: Stansfield : Never good enough at Premiership level. (NT) -- Alboy, Tuesday, November 25, 10:57:23am (NoHost/109.181.91.35)
- Because we are not scoring enough goals, his sale becomes more salient. Other clubs let competent development players go. Arsenal - Serge Gnabry, Daniel Ballard, Emile Smith Rowe, Alex Iwobi and Mika Biereth (formerly of Fulham). (NT) -- Mr Kurkuruza, Tuesday, November 25, 11:22:32am (217-155-46-35.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk/217.155.46.35)
- his whole argument is based on Stansfield being good enough to be backup forward and winger in the premier league because he's in some list of players who scored goals in a different division to the premier league when they were 20 years old. It might make more sense to have this discussion when Jay actually plays in the premier league for a couple of seasons and hits the same heights as those other superstar forwards in his list that score a goal every 5 games. (NT) -- Jimmy Hill's Chin, Tuesday, November 25, 03:23:59pm (NoHost/176.248.211.130)
- No, my argument is that selling him was a false economy and we would have been better off keeping him in light of many factors on which I have outlined. One of those factors (but just one) is his pedigree, as evidenced by the list of players who matched his age 20 season, in which every single one of those before him made it as a regular premier league starter. I do understand how that might be confusing to someone like you, though I think it should be clear enough. (NT) -- eganonoa, Tuesday, November 25, 06:16:56pm (cable-146-255-156-96.dynamic.telemach.ba/146.255.156.96)
- This is where I believe you are wrong. Your'e assuming that because he has scored goals in the championship he will also produce in the PL. You can't assume that. You have your list, are you saying that the only players to have done this are those you mention and there are none that have struggled making the step up? If Birmingham do go up which is not a given then revisit the topic. At the moment youre assuming he will do the same, imho you can't do that and say it's going to happen..... (NT) -- Jimmy Hill's Chin, Tuesday, November 25, 07:37:27pm (NoHost/176.248.211.130)
- Ran out of characters on the message above, but don't be trying to make me out as an idiot. I see you've done it once or twice already on this thread. Seems like when you are backed into a corner you get a bit nasty. You don't know me mate, so keep the insults to yourself. (NT) -- Jimmy Hill's Chin, Tuesday, November 25, 07:45:10pm (NoHost/176.248.211.130)
- Biereth would win over Stansfield every day if I could choose one to still be here. Watched him for Fulham U21s and you knew he was going to be great. (NT) -- Jim© The Devon IP, Tuesday, November 25, 05:01:48pm (62-64-192-58.virtual1.co.uk/62.64.192.58)
- At 22 is now in his first season with Monaco, where he's scored twice so far. Transfermarkt reckons 30m Euros v 15m for Jay. (NT) -- b+w g., Tuesday, November 25, 06:06:48pm (host81-159-15-110.range81-159.btcentralplus.com/81.159.15.110)
- Yes seems like he's going to be an incredible player. Key difference with Stansfield, though, is that he left us while a youth to join Arsenal's youth team. We didn't have control. (NT) -- eganonoa, Tuesday, November 25, 06:36:14pm (cable-146-255-156-96.dynamic.telemach.ba/146.255.156.96)
- It will be interesting to see how his next few years go. How much more of a hit will he be in Ligue One, for example, than Dembele II who scored 56 in 5 seasons with Lyon -- a good, rather than amazing return, at his career height in the best league he spent appreciable time in. Never recruited into the prem, but if he fancied coming back from Saudi, at even double Transfermarkt's 8m Euros, he'd be the tyoe of more assured short-term (age 29) use. Similar are bound to exist out there. (NT) -- b+w g., Tuesday, November 25, 07:14:42pm (host81-159-15-110.range81-159.btcentralplus.com/81.159.15.110)
- Cottage tour -- bs, Monday, November 24, 06:52:08pm (NoHost/2.126.48.26)
Took a few friends visiting town to the ground tour. Was really unique seeing it empty and getting into unseen areas. Changing rooms etc. If you’ve never been inside the Cottage, and I hadn’t despite going to hundreds of games, it’s an absolute must. Some great snippets like Josh King had his own changing room until he was 18 due to regulations. Views from the Cottage balcony are amazing too.
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- Changed a bit since Tommy Trinder showed me round in ‘71! (NT) -- Bexhill Beast, Monday, November 24, 07:24:12pm (host86-136-159-39.range86-136.btcentralplus.com/86.136.159.39)
- Flag bar in the JH is a gem of a place. (NT) -- FFC in Brighton., Monday, November 24, 07:50:20pm (NoHost/2.120.137.10)
- Took my dad on the stadium tour for his 80th birthday. Took my football-mad stepdaughter too - the three of us really, really enjoyed it. Would highly recommend. (NT) -- Dom(TO), Tuesday, November 25, 08:19:40am (NoHost/90.249.57.218)
- I did it with one of the hosts and a special guest Ray Lewington. Was great to hear some of his stories from the days he managed us and how football has changed to what we have today (NT) -- Jimmy Hill's Chin, Tuesday, November 25, 08:00:42pm (NoHost/176.248.211.130)
- Absolutely great to see Brian McBride back at the Cottage. -- -, Monday, November 24, 05:20:25pm (NoHost/95.147.166.3)
Brilliant header of the ball, great team man, lovely guy. Really suited Fulham. Does he still have a bar in the revamped Riverside bar ? Should do if not.
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- Denis Odoi signs for NAC Breda -- k, Monday, November 24, 03:37:10pm (NoHost/90.213.242.75)
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="https://www.nac.nl/nieuws/nac-versterkt-zich-per-direct-met-ervaren-verdediger-odoi">https://www.nac.nl/nieuws/nac-versterkt-zich-per-direct-met-ervaren-verdediger-odoi</a>
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- Good to hear. One of the boys of summer 2016 and one of several excellent signings that season….Odoi, Kebs, Aluko, KMac, Stef Jo. (NT) -- Bad Boy, Monday, November 24, 04:04:47pm (NoHost/2.222.160.125)
- Lewis Holtby also on their books (NT) -- Large Frank, Monday, November 24, 04:44:32pm (NoHost/80.233.70.162)
- Racing -- Waterboy, Monday, November 24, 01:05:53pm (NoHost/81.79.118.27)
Captain Cairney returns tonight at Wolverhampton! 5pm
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- NFR I Can See Clearly Now -- Bexhill Beast, Monday, November 24, 12:15:43pm (host86-136-159-39.range86-136.btcentralplus.com/86.136.159.39)
RIP Jimmy Cliff
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- A classic - I can see Deirdre now, Lorraine has gone (NT) -- Long Termer, Monday, November 24, 12:27:45pm (host109-154-184-217.range109-154.btcentralplus.com/109.154.184.217)
- Re: NFR I Can See Clearly Now (NT) -- Legend, Monday, November 24, 02:32:37pm (host-92-24-210-86.as13285.net/92.24.210.86)
- Wrong song...That was Johnny Nash. (NT) -- GA, Wednesday, November 26, 06:07:33pm (ool-18b90125.dyn.optonline.net/24.185.1.37)
- Grey Matter -- Eerwah, Monday, November 24, 02:20:07am (customer.brseaus1.pop.starlinkisp.net/206.83.122.7)
Milan keeper stands on line while left of centre inviting the penalty taker to choose wide side. Odds for a miss or saving the penalty are greatly improved.
Five subs changed elite football. Bench needs to consist of bright shining stars.
Hey Ho, V.A.R. management is a heap of clap traps.
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- Robinson -- JT70, Sunday, November 23, 10:33:45pm (47-148-43-93.lsan.ca.frontiernet.net/47.148.43.93)
Do any of you think we are missing Robinson in left back position and he could really make a difference when he returns?
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- Of course. Sess has been wonderful standing in but he's a forward. We're a different side with Jedi. Fingers crossed he'll be back soon. In Oz for all five so thanks to the boys for cheering me up. Enough said about Perth debacle but football fan camraderie out here unbelievable.ifferent side with Jedi. Sess (NT) -- Rupert, Sunday, November 23, 11:17:36pm (68-34-17-119.static.broadbandsolutions.com.au/119.17.34.68)
- The accountant will come on telling me we can’t afford to up people wages at a whim . I’ll repeat what I already said regarding Muniz.Keep your best players happy . Leaving a Muniz on £250k a year age 24 is asking for trouble , when Raul Jiminez has a £120,000 a week extension or over £6m a year . So would you be happy , it’s almost as though people are trying to make him unhappy so he forces a move. (NT) -- alanos, Sunday, November 23, 11:41:17pm (82-132-235-122.dab.02.net/82.132.235.122)
- We can't afford to up people's wages on a whim (if you're going to use a phrase at least use it right). This is especially true given the SCR vote on friday. However in the case of Robinson, he has 18 months to go on his contract, we're past the point where any revenue generated from a sale would be worth it, so it would make sense to extend, and give him a pay bump. Its almost like you don't understand there isn't a blanket approach to these things. (NT) -- Same Old Story, Monday, November 24, 09:36:15am (85-115-50-2.mailcontrol.com/85.115.50.2)
- On my iPhone the transfermarket says 30/6/ 2028 is when his contract ends ( and thanks for the snarky comment ) but when I looked yesterday was amazed it said 2030 . If it really is 18 months then clearly we are going to throw away £40m plus . More evidence this club is the worst run in the league . (NT) -- alanos, Monday, November 24, 09:54:06am (82-132-235-122.dab.02.net/82.132.235.122)
- I can't find any reference to 2030, the last post on the club site references 2028, capology references 2028, etc. So i'm assuming 2028. If so, i don't think it means we're going to throw away anything, but yes, they will probably want to get that one sorted in the next 6 months. (NT) -- Same Old Story, Monday, November 24, 10:10:18am (85-115-50-2.mailcontrol.com/85.115.50.2)
- Checked on another site . 30 /6/2028 seems to be the date his contact ends . If you’re going to quote dates in a superior manner at least get them right . Or do you think 18/6/ 2028 is 18months ? (NT) -- alanos, Monday, November 24, 10:10:18am (82-132-235-169.dab.02.net/82.132.235.169)
- I actually meant that he was entering the last year of his contract in 18 months, but clearly didn't say that, so yes, apologies for the confusion. My view, generally, is that if you're intending to keep a player, you shouldn't really run them into the last 12 months of their contract, in an ideal world, as the balance of power in negotiations shifts significantly at that point. (if the player is in demand) (NT) -- Same Old Story, Monday, November 24, 10:39:12am (85-115-50-2.mailcontrol.com/85.115.50.2)
- Of course it does make a huge difference . He turned himself into a huge player in his position . Probably out best player over the past two years . So he has these nebulous knee problems . I say nebulous because we are never given return dates or told if he needs an operation . He also is on low wages compared to his new status as a club star . He really deserves a substantial pay rise perhaps with a years increase to 2031 . But his knee issue complicates this (NT) -- alanos, Sunday, November 23, 11:18:56pm (82-132-235-122.dab.02.net/82.132.235.122)
- Definitely, Sess has more goals up the field than all our other options (NT) -- Waterboy, Monday, November 24, 10:03:24am (NoHost/81.79.118.27)
- word at Motspur park is the FFC physios say he is fit to play. However the US national team physios say rest and rest. There in lies the rub! (NT) -- View from the Riverside, Monday, November 24, 12:16:28pm (static-84-9-58-207.vodafonexdsl.co.uk/84.9.58.207)
- Our biggest miss. Raul would have more this season if he were stretching defences and getting in behind. I think this is why Kevin is here. Imagine the space Jedi will create for him. (NT) -- ASPT, Monday, November 24, 10:46:03pm (114-129-187-208.ip4.superloop.au/114.129.187.208)
- Spurs -- Mickey, Sunday, November 23, 06:13:10pm (82-132-220-177.dab.02.net/82.132.220.177)
currently being run ragged and 5th yellow for Romero rules him
out for next Saturday .
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- Away to PSG on Wednesday Night too - likely to be a similar outcome to today (NT) -- Dan, Sunday, November 23, 06:21:58pm (host109-147-89-255.range109-147.btcentralplus.com/109.147.89.255)
- I can assure everyone we will be in a relegation battle. Thank god for yesterdays late goal. And not being negative as been here forever before but, we need 12+ chances to get one. I'm still hoping for 20 points come Jan1. More a bonus. (NT) -- CB, Sunday, November 23, 06:39:50pm (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
- Whilst taking nothing away from our performance yesterday ( finishing apart ), for me despite their previous 19 points heroics Sunderland looked like a jumped -up Championship Team whose strategy was to knock balls into channels . As much as we took the game to them , they offered little . I think many of the over-positive comments today will be more relevant once we put a few better sides to the sword : starting next Saturday ! (NT) -- Mickey, Sunday, November 23, 07:04:07pm (host81-129-86-102.range81-129.btcentralplus.com/81.129.86.102)
- Doubt it. (NT) -- HemelRog, Sunday, November 23, 07:30:33pm (NoHost/90.215.43.146)
- Well you can't assure anyone as none of us know. You can guess, my guess isn't like yours. (NT) -- Jim©, Sunday, November 23, 08:44:56pm (host86-171-5-119.range86-171.btcentralplus.com/86.171.5.119)
- I think we’re going to be at risk for much of the remainder of the season, though it looks like that will extend to quite a few teams who will be battling to avoid going down with Wolves who already looked doomed. Clearly we need to start being more resilient away from the Cottage. (NT) -- Bexhill Beast, Monday, November 24, 09:53:21am (host86-136-159-39.range86-136.btcentralplus.com/86.136.159.39)
- Unless Burnley and Leeds have now peaked (possible), at least one of last season's cohorts is going to be in high danger or worse. Before a ball was kicked, that seemed distinctly possible, as did our presence among the least unlikely candidates. Thank goodness we've been winning the winnables and not just drawing. Ten wins normally does it and nine often so. (NT) -- b+w g., Monday, November 24, 10:38:29am (host81-159-15-110.range81-159.btcentralplus.com/81.159.15.110)
- Yes and I am still optimistic we’ll achieve the magic number. My optimism is tempered though by the injury to Muniz & absence of 3 important players on AFCON duties. (NT) -- Bexhill Beast, Monday, November 24, 11:19:46am (host86-136-159-39.range86-136.btcentralplus.com/86.136.159.39)
- Wins instead of draws can hinge (as Saturday) on one occurrence of extra class. The Nigerians include two of our candidates for providing that, so a shame they miss West Ham (a). Three days after the semis comes Leeds (a). (NT) -- b+w g., Monday, November 24, 11:47:09am (host81-159-15-110.range81-159.btcentralplus.com/81.159.15.110)
- Hopefully Nigeria get knocked out in the first round, nd why can't they play the confounded competition every four years and in the summer.... (NT) -- GTS, Monday, November 24, 12:32:55pm (24.206.97.75.netskope-rdns.com/24.206.97.75)
- Yes, how dare these damnable slaves dare to choose what suits them and not their masters. Take the skin of their backs, that'll teach the upstarts!. (NT) -- They'll want independence next!, Monday, November 24, 02:11:02pm (static-198-44-157-69.cust.tzulo.com/198.44.157.69)
- Presume it's held in the winter for climactic reasons. That's entirely reasonable, but still hard on their employers. If young arrivals from Africa were more often paid below average for their age/talent than above, then that would be another side to the same story. (NT) -- b+w g., Monday, November 24, 02:43:18pm (host81-159-15-110.range81-159.btcentralplus.com/81.159.15.110)
- So now the mods (who are too dumb or can't be bothered to ban the trolls) are protecting the fat Greek crack-licker and the Madman? (NT) -- You couldn't really make it up!, Sunday, November 23, 09:57:09pm (static-198-44-157-82.cust.tzulo.com/198.44.157.82)
- Chuk better than Kevin? -- Fkev, Sunday, November 23, 01:17:00pm (170.122.199.146.dyn.plus.net/146.199.122.170)
Wilson in super form right now - excellent yesterday. We really are spoilt for wingers! If only we had a top-class number 9, we'd probably be 8 places higher. Chuk looks the real deal - cant be far from a starting place....
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- I've long been a Wilson skeptic, but no longer. With the proper support around him he's showing off his class. As we lack goals throughout, and with Muniz out, I just can't see dropping our best other finishers (i.e. Wilson and Sess) for "better"-skilled players being a good move. At the moment, Chuckwaeze over Kevin seems logical to me. He's made an impact every time. But he looks chaotic in defense, maybe more lost than even Adama, which is probably why Marco hasn't yet started him. (NT) -- eganonoa, Sunday, November 23, 01:43:32pm (cable-146-255-156-96.dynamic.telemach.ba/146.255.156.96)
- The defender marking him(Ha?)must have had nightmares last night.I like Kevin and think he could become a major asset.All this crap about us having a poor squad..Unbalanced maybe but plenty of quality. (NT) -- HemelRog, Sunday, November 23, 02:11:01pm (NoHost/90.215.43.146)
- Need to take up the option on Chuk’s loan signing and extend H’s current contract (due to expire at the end of this season) (NT) -- Bad Boy, Sunday, November 23, 02:38:59pm (NoHost/2.222.160.125)
- Kevin is a rough diamond for down the line, Chuk has come from a decent league and played in better football than the Ukrainian league (NT) -- Waterboy, Sunday, November 23, 06:00:40pm (NoHost/81.79.118.27)
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Hmm, given the amount of time you spend on here and the presumed amount of time you spent on stats, I think 'pots and kettles' spring to mind. (NT) -- But, hey-ho!, Wednesday, November 26, 12:42:43pm (NoHost/217.138.217.57)
Except that I am not "seeking interaction" as you think, I simply want you to give your virtual gob a rest! Because you are as I and several others have told you, nothing but a self-perceived, stats-only based big-mouth. (NT) -- But, hey-ho!, Wednesday, November 26, 04:05:30pm (NoHost/217.138.217.220)