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The Independent Fulham Forum

Given that Berge is massive wny dont we utilise him more at corners like The Arse do with their big bloke (name escapes me) -- Al, Thursday, October 23, 03:36:50pm (cust-141.195.149.246.customers.as5482.net/141.195.149.246)
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- Mag? Big Bloke and knows how to use it. (NT) -- CB, Thursday, October 23, 04:03:37pm (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
- Because we don't have Declan Rice taking corners. (NT) -- GA, Thursday, October 23, 05:38:05pm (ool-18b90125.dyn.optonline.net/24.185.1.37)
  - I get what you’re saying, and Lukic’s corners were looking promising before he got injured. But the thought occurs that players are paid extortionate amounts, train every day, and still can’t take effective corners, and don’t get me started on throw-ins?! (NT) -- Straw Clutchers Anonymous, Thursday, October 23, 07:28:30pm (NoHost/90.205.150.81)
  - Harry's cornershave improved and Kevin's also look good. (NT) -- Mike T, Friday, October 24, 09:08:39am (NoHost/51.219.129.25)
Chelmsford City 17:45 today -- Ffc, Thursday, October 23, 10:46:58am (97e02c8e.skybroadband.com/151.224.44.142)
Captain Cairney runs today …good third last time out steps up in distance
Being backed as well

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- bound to run out of steam two thirds of the way though the race! (NT) -- Phil, Thursday, October 23, 03:09:36pm (saphil.plus.com/31.125.165.251)
- Quick turnaround and one of the top jockeys of the season, could be in with a shout (NT) -- Waterboy, Thursday, October 23, 05:10:10pm (NoHost/81.79.87.220)
- And wins at 11/4 (NT) -- woodman, Thursday, October 23, 05:55:08pm (cpc158567-haye26-2-0-cust402.17-4.cable.virginm.net/86.15.153.147)
- Lovely Jubbly (NT) -- Ffc, Thursday, October 23, 06:27:53pm (97e02c8e.skybroadband.com/151.224.44.142)
  - Good pay day! (NT) -- Waterboy, Thursday, October 23, 06:57:37pm (NoHost/81.79.87.220)
no shots on target are us ! -- Jimmy Hills chin, Wednesday, October 22, 04:26:06pm (cpc160099-nmal26-2-0-cust468.19-2.cable.virginm.net/82.18.161.213)
our lack of shot on target against Arsenal a grand total of 0 ! We suffer from Silvas obsession with wingers and only ever playing one striker .......Jiminez and Muniz feed of scraps every week no chances created for them ? Our so called creative midfielder ESR sits on the bench cant play the full 90 minutes ......what are we going to do about our chronic lack of chances created ?

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- Fair point but we should ideally have some goal contribution from All our midfielders . As much as some want ESR starting with Josh , and with Lukic out this is a perfect opportunity in theory . But imho that would leave Berge badly exposed . I actually think Silva would use Pereira ,were he still with us . Madness to let him go and not replace the CM numbers . I’d seriously try and ship out a few Jan, to create funds to bring in this missing link : Traore /Reed and poss Wilson (NT) -- Mickey, Wednesday, October 22, 04:42:30pm (82-132-223-106.dab.02.net/82.132.223.106)
  - So your beloved Marinakos isn’t THE MISSING LINK ? (NT) -- alanos, Wednesday, October 22, 11:55:55pm (82-132-235-149.dab.02.net/82.132.235.149)
- No shots on target. We are not alone as in Arsenal’s last three games they have conceded only one shot on target. ( Athletico Madrid after about 80 minutes last night) (NT) -- K, Wednesday, October 22, 06:30:29pm (NoHost/37.72.152.33)
- Surely Josh was on target get or is my senile brain playing tricks? (NT) -- HemelRog, Wednesday, October 22, 06:34:18pm (NoHost/31.94.74.128)
- Re: no shots on target are us !we have always played with wingers nothing new there. Both strikers have been injured so not easy to make assumptions. Midfielders need to add more goals as do central defenders particularly from set pieces. (NT) -- Alboy, Wednesday, October 22, 06:37:32pm (host5-80-175-253.range5-80.btcentralplus.com/5.80.175.253)
- I suppose I should be flattered. The first time on here that someone has pretended to be me.... (NT) -- Jimmy Hill's Chin (the apostrophe gives it away), Wednesday, October 22, 08:38:51pm (5ec3f1fd.skybroadband.com/94.195.241.253)
- Clearly not at the game. 👊💦 (NT) -- Jimmyhillbillies, Wednesday, October 22, 09:17:35pm (NoHost/2.217.236.131)
Muniz -- Greenwood, Wednesday, October 22, 06:53:51am (c25-229.i12-07.melita.com/141.8.25.229)
If he isn't fit, there is no chance of a Goal

So therefore no goal for Fulham

Means another loss as we average 2 Against per game

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- Before his injury he had only scored once this season. Neither Raul or Muniz are the answer to our goal scoring problems. It's time to give the young lad from Bayern an opportunity. Other teams blood their youngsters in at Premier League level, often younger than 18, so what's the problem? It's especially questionable given our injury situation and general impotence in front of goal with Raul & Muniz. The lad is pushing 19 & 6'7ft - he's not exactly a kid. (NT) -- Samuel, Wednesday, October 22, 07:16:54am (NoHost/83.106.75.64)
  - Put the needle on the record..put the needle on the record..put the needle on the record........The average age for PL strikers is 24, making it the 2nd oldest position in the team behind keepers. Strikers take longer to develop. You might be keen to see this lad play, but you have absolutely no idea what he's like on the training ground. His confidence could be damaged if he was played to early. (NT) -- Mr Kurkuruza, Wednesday, October 22, 09:05:39am (217-155-46-35.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk/217.155.46.35)
    - It's a curious exclusion at U21 club level, given his excellent reputation at Bayern and the U21 national team. Perhaps it's the case that Silva is cutting his nose to spite his face because it wasn't his choice. Or maybe he senses a talent that would upstage and detract attention from his Golden Boy Muniz and is too egotistical to be proved wrong. (NT) -- Samuel, Wednesday, October 22, 10:06:40am (NoHost/83.106.75.64)
      - He never moved a muscle or a vocal cord to get his so-called ‘golden -boy ‘ Muniz a longer contract or a higher wages. Some cynics might say that’s to encourage him to leave to a club where he could be the next manager . As for me I couldn’t possibly comment . (NT) -- alanos, Wednesday, October 22, 04:11:44pm (82-132-234-1.dab.02.net/82.132.234.1)
        
        Do you actually know that for a fact or are you just being a cunt? (NT) -- Twat spotter, Wednesday, October 22, 04:37:27pm (82-132-232-147.dab.02.net/82.132.232.147)
        
        I know nothing but the substitute goal keeper who never plays apparently has £3.15m gross left on his contract and 2 more years , so over £1.6m a year ! Untill Muniz signed his new contract a month ago he was on £390,000 a year which is just over half what Luke Harris was on last year . As they say Go Figure ! (NT) -- alanos, Thursday, October 23, 02:54:02am (82-132-235-149.dab.02.net/82.132.235.149)
        
        So , the answer is, Just being a CU (NT) -- Mad as the maddest hatter from Mad-land!, Thursday, October 23, 11:11:52am (NoHost/213.207.132.10)
        
        Yes that’s right it’s normal to pay a young striker of his superb prowess and potential a tenth of wha is paid . Eganonoa described it as a fantastic deal for the club .It was no such thing , rather a disaster for the club because it was an invite to shyster agents and through them other clubs to unsettle the player . And who would blame him for presenting (NT) -- alanos, Thursday, October 23, 02:23:28pm (82-132-233-97.dab.02.net/82.132.233.97)
        
        Post had too many letters and I tried to redo without seeing the whole text . Anyway I was referring obviously to the time before his new contract . Let’s hope that is attractive enough in add-ons and bonuses for goals etc . We don’t want him to be tapped up by Forest or Spurs do we (NT) -- alanos, Thursday, October 23, 02:59:37pm (82-132-233-97.dab.02.net/82.132.233.97)
      - Which explanation are you going with Samuel? (NT) -- Mr Kurkuruza, Wednesday, October 22, 06:01:41pm (217-155-46-35.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk/217.155.46.35)
    - Same but in reverse - not even getting on the pitch when we have no strikers and are losing, or are playing league 2 opposition might well harm his confidence, as well. Player must be sat there wondering what the point of the move was. He'd almost certainly have got minutes at Bayern. (NT) -- Same Old Story, Wednesday, October 22, 12:29:54pm (85-115-49-2.mailcontrol.com/85.115.49.2)
      - We are all getting into a world of what if? maybe's because we have no information here other than he's not playing, but what about my point that strikers take longer to mature? (NT) -- Mr Kurkuruza, Wednesday, October 22, 01:08:05pm (217-155-46-35.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk/217.155.46.35)
        
        I didn't see it as particularly relevant. Some do, some don't. Haaland had scored almost 100 goals before his 21st birthday. An average for the position may be weighted upwards because strikers tend to play longer (look at Raul). But even if its because there is a dearth of young strikers, it still doesnt mean the 1 particular one we're discussing isn't capable yet. As you say, a lot of what ifs, but i still think its insane to start with no one at all up front. (NT) -- Same Old Story, Wednesday, October 22, 01:37:06pm (85-115-49-2.mailcontrol.com/85.115.49.2)
        
        It's the 2nd oldest average age by position in the Premier League behind goalkeepers. It's a key position that requires a particular mindset. Haaland is likely the exception to the rule development wise. If it's as you say "insane not to play him", then is Marco insane? Why would he not play him if he's ready and able? (NT) -- Mr Kurkuruza, Wednesday, October 22, 05:59:18pm (217-155-46-35.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk/217.155.46.35)
        
        Usual thing, reply too long, can't be arsed to shorten it, response inside if you can be bothered. -- Same Old Story, Thursday, October 23, 12:35:19pm (NoHost/81.79.65.164)
        
        Yep, perhaps I've snatched at that stat. As for the lad's lack of chances. 'Fulham fan News' on 'That's so Craven' thinks Silva endorsed the deal. The poster might be talking shite for all I know, but he appears to have some journalistic insight. In my latest reply to Samuel I question the lad's desire to come to Fulham? Bayern to Fulham, that'll be a fall in standard from his young viewpoint. A bit like ESR, who i think has found it hard to adjust to the big club rejection. (NT) -- Mr Kurkuruza, Thursday, October 23, 01:36:10pm (217-155-46-35.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk/217.155.46.35)
        
        In context of the Silva endorsement - this is my point. Why endorse someone, reasonably costly, if you have no intention of using them? Something is out of place with the situation within the wider context of all of the things we know (NT) -- Same Old Story, Thursday, October 23, 01:46:44pm (NoHost/81.79.65.164)
        
        On that we agree. (NT) -- Mr Kurkuruza, Thursday, October 23, 07:04:04pm (217-155-46-35.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk/217.155.46.35)
        My guess. Marco wanted a third striker for months but didn't get one, Then at the very last minute this kid is suggested and is available. Marco knows next to nothing about him but is left with a choice of him on no one. So he says yes and only realises his unreadiness when he starts working with him. (NT) -- The Man With No Name, Thursday, October 23, 10:21:23pm (host86-151-226-80.range86-151.btcentralplus.com/86.151.226.80)
        
        If that's the case, and it's so well known, why bother signing him on a £4 million loan fee? Does this maturity issue also exclude him for selection to the U21's team? Isn't that where they gain valuable competitive experience among their peers? There's simply no rational argument to defend his exclusion. (NT) -- Samuel, Wednesday, October 22, 01:40:27pm (NoHost/83.106.75.64)
        
        We didn’t give Muniz as big a pay rise as he possibly deserves , if the figures I am seeing are correct ( unless there are large rewards for scoring . Someone like Mariakis might easily offer higher wages in return for cheap sale . Hope he had large scoring bonus (NT) -- alanos, Wednesday, October 22, 03:58:29pm (82-132-234-1.dab.02.net/82.132.234.1)
        If true, then you are saying that Marco is capable of being irrational squad management wise? (NT) -- Mr Kurkuruza, Wednesday, October 22, 06:04:19pm (217-155-46-35.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk/217.155.46.35)
        
        No, that's not what I'm saying. Silva potentially exhibits stubbornness & egotism but is too intelligent and self aware to be irrational in the context of his position as a coach. My application of irrational is in the analysis of the weak arguments that attempt to defend the situation. (NT) -- Samuel, Thursday, October 23, 09:36:40am (NoHost/83.106.75.64)
        
        Firstly, can you provide examples of when he has exhibited stubborness & egotism? And secondly, you now appear to be calling my theory of delayed striker development irrational. Have I got that right? (NT) -- Mr Kurkuruza, Thursday, October 23, 09:46:14am (217-155-46-35.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk/217.155.46.35)
        
        The "potentially" means just that. I perceive it to be more of a probability argument. Had we permanently signed the player and both our current strikers were both available for selection then your argument would be of greater value contextually. But we paid a £4 million loan fee for a highly rated young striker who isn't even playing for the U21's or in cup games against lower league opposition, this is despite the fact he makes the international U21 team and was highly rated at Bayern. (NT) -- Samuel, Thursday, October 23, 10:12:54am (NoHost/83.106.75.64)
        
        I mean I don't want to sound flippant, but all of us have potential to be so. The £4 mill loan deal has an option to buy so there's more value to it. As for the fact that he has played for his under 21 National side, does that always suggest PL readiness? It's Sweden he plays for, not Germany. Here's another theory why he may not be ready; he was transferred to Fulham without really wanting to come here? Recall the photos around tfr deadline day. There was a visible lack of joy in his face. (NT) -- Mr Kurkuruza, Thursday, October 23, 01:27:38pm (217-155-46-35.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk/217.155.46.35)
        
        That's a fair point, I do vaguely recall him citing that he wanted the move, although I recollect a distinct lack of enthusiasm during his interview. I just put it down to that ESR/Cole Palmer disengaged type personality that appears more commonly with the new generation of young players. With regard to my pont about the U21 national team: I wasn't suggesting that makes him Premier League ready, but it should be sufficient to justify a place in Fulham's U21's, which he was also excluded from. (NT) -- Samuel, Thursday, October 23, 02:19:32pm (NoHost/83.106.75.64)
  - U21s lost 2-0 at Woking last night. Any reason why he can’t get game time with the U21s? (NT) -- CB, Wednesday, October 22, 09:09:10am (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
    - Looks like Marco is on another of his strops.The U21s could do with a bit of physicality to go with their obvious skills. (NT) -- HemelRog, Wednesday, October 22, 09:15:39am (5ec0f8a7.skybroadband.com/94.192.248.167)
- So that’s not including the fantastic goal against Brentford which all , including professional referees , agree shouldn’t have been overturned . (NT) -- alanos, Wednesday, October 22, 08:01:32am (82-132-234-217.dab.02.net/82.132.234.217)
  - lol! Never far away from reminding us on the maestro muniz. I still need convincing so hope he gets the game time to prove it one way or another or the other. (NT) -- CB, Wednesday, October 22, 09:02:11am (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
    - A shared hope. Since there is frequent repetition at the extremes here, I'll again repeat facts. The pair of them occupied the pitch last season for the equivalent of 38.4 matches and scored 20. So a goal every 1.92 Premier matches. Only Salah, Haaland and Isak bettered. So far just 541 minutes played with 2 goals --last season's fine rate repeated if the disallowal had counted, but it didn't, so must do better, yes! (NT) -- b+w g, Wednesday, October 22, 09:59:52am (host86-162-239-12.range86-162.btcentralplus.com/86.162.239.12)
      - He is ignoring the great goal that was not given against Brentford and he thinks or pretends to believe far more goals are scored in the prem than is actually the case . (NT) -- alanos, Wednesday, October 22, 03:43:45pm (82-132-234-1.dab.02.net/82.132.234.1)
      - So those stats? make Muniz a 20 goal a full season man do they? Jimenez maybe as a penalty taker. (NT) -- CB, Thursday, October 23, 03:57:55pm (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
        
        In theory, and you never know, but to be doubted. (And he'd soon be off if so). My point isn't about him individually, but that CF did not let the team down last season, but delivered upper middling Prem goal productivity. Am personally not suggesting more, unlike (ahem) some. But nor -- as some others keep insisting, that we badly need better in that specific position. There are higher priorities, including that more teammates start scoring. (The same few candidates this season so far.) (NT) -- b+w g., Thursday, October 23, 11:59:08pm (host86-162-239-12.range86-162.btcentralplus.com/86.162.239.12)
- Re: Muniz (NT) -- Raul was excellent Saturday a real top player., Wednesday, October 22, 09:30:56am (host-2-102-160-254.as13285.net/2.102.160.254)
- Re: Muniz: Silva will play players including the young striker when they are ready. He will make that decision as he watches the team train every day. No Manager at this level plays games or wants to prove points. Ideally squad players will get opportunities in cup games. (NT) -- Alboy, Wednesday, October 22, 06:43:03pm (host5-80-175-253.range5-80.btcentralplus.com/5.80.175.253)
Newcastle second half the fluidity in their attack is 👏👏 -- Button, Tuesday, October 21, 09:50:49pm (nmal-23-b2-v4wan-169190-cust1261.vm24.cable.virginm.net/80.5.116.238)
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- An evening that confirms that our next fixture is another tough one, and that provides further context to our single-goal loss to Arsenal. (NT) -- b+w g., Tuesday, October 21, 10:24:29pm (host86-162-239-12.range86-162.btcentralplus.com/86.162.239.12)
  - Many were predicting we'd be in the bottom 3 after first 9 - generally accepted as the second hardest start - and we've already avoided that bar a mathematical improbability. (NT) -- Rupert, Wednesday, October 22, 09:48:56am (5ec142b4.skybroadband.com/94.193.66.180)
    - That's still disappointing to anyone expecting nearer Europe this season. I didn't and currently imagine we are in a bottom 7 league containing not a single club as hopeless as last time and already excluding on of the promoted. So reason for concern, unless we can be among the 1 or 2 in such circumstances who fairly soon bag sufficient points to give a cushion. Less chance of that with key injuries, managerial rumours and multiplying angst and Game #9 unlikely to assist.. (NT) -- b+w g., Wednesday, October 22, 10:37:34am (host86-162-239-12.range86-162.btcentralplus.com/86.162.239.12)
      - All fair points, feel some really atrocious refereeing has triggered a dip in confidence, Newcastle a bit of a free hit, then we really must get back on it... (NT) -- Rupert, Thursday, October 23, 10:20:30am (5ec14de8.skybroadband.com/94.193.77.232)
Newcastle -- Dan, Tuesday, October 21, 11:57:42am (NoHost/79.173.128.147)
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- Re: Newcastle (NT) -- How much money are you going to pay me., Wednesday, October 22, 05:58:41pm (host-2-102-160-254.as13285.net/2.102.160.254)
Struggling to understand some opinions -- Alboy, Monday, October 20, 01:21:29pm (host5-80-175-253.range5-80.btcentralplus.com/5.80.175.253)
Football is always about opinions but I struggle with some on here. My opinion for what it's worth is that Marco Silva took over from the mess of Parker. He gave us a fantastic promotion season from the championship scoring 4 and 5 goals on many occasions. He then turns us into not a perennial yo yo club but a good stable Premiership style with potential to challenge for Europe. Despite losing our best striker and best midfielder in consecutive seasons. He has built a good squad mentality with players who work together. He has improved players continually. He has introduced Josh King to the first team squad and what a fantastic addition he has been. He looks a real prospect. After only 8 games suddenly people are doubting Silva? We were robbed at Chelsea, terrible decisions at Villa cost us the game. We are playing with numerous very good first team players missing. Tete, Lukic, Robinson and both strikers. We give an excellent performance against probably the best team in the Premiership currently and only lose by a single goal. What I am trying to say is things are not that bad. Of course we all would have liked another bob to box midfielder and another striker. We have recruited potential two very good wide players but they will need a little time. Smith Rowe also needs to do better but the Manager will be dealing with that and I am sure we will see good thing from him. Considering all these issues I am sure we can get back once all return to winning ways. What I do find surprising is none of the above is taken into consideration. Suddenly we play too slowly, too predictable etc etc. I saw us moving the ball quickly Saturday, breaking quickly and we should have scored from the chances we had. It doesn't mean everything is wrong. I know the rose tinted glasses comments will come out again. I love this club and will continue to support this club. I wonder if I am alone on this forum.

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- I think vast majority on this board love Silva. Doubts mainly come from club stooges who want him and not TK to get the blame if he walks out. Same on other SM channels. (NT) -- woodman, Monday, October 20, 01:32:42pm (cpc158567-haye26-2-0-cust402.17-4.cable.virginm.net/86.15.153.147)
- I'm fairly certain you don't read what's posted, instead reading one critical sentence and jumping to post yet another new thread proclaiming how everyone is negative and stupid because they don't see it all sunny, burying discussion. Just these last two days you've posted that you can't believe no one thinks we did OK vs Arsenal when most were saying we did with some interesting threads. And now this right above a very balanced post on how our strikers play. Why? (NT) -- eganonoa, Monday, October 20, 01:33:20pm (pool-70-108-45-236.washdc.fios.verizon.net/70.108.45.236)
  - How our strikers play? Well they have both been injured so that a difficult one to address. Secondly I mention in my post that we needed strengthening in that area. It's a little early to make any assumptions. (NT) -- Alboy, Monday, October 20, 02:40:01pm (host5-80-175-253.range5-80.btcentralplus.com/5.80.175.253)
- Alboy, the real issue for many on here (myself included) is it's all a positive spin from you. You've never once had anything negative to say. Well, I'm sorry, there are negatives. You're take on Smith-Rowe is a great example. Silva has had 2 pre-seasons with him. He's just not good enough and doesn't look like he can be bothered. But you can't admit that. (NT) -- Jimmy Hill's Chin, Monday, October 20, 01:43:41pm (5ec3f1fd.skybroadband.com/94.195.241.253)
  - example. e I can, I believe there is a player in there. Certainly he started well . He has had some injuries but like all players needs a period of first team games. Think he has the talent but you're correct needs to show it. (NT) -- Alboy, Monday, October 20, 02:53:14pm (host5-80-175-253.range5-80.btcentralplus.com/5.80.175.253)
- A bit rose tinted glasses. Fact is we have lost 4/6, and lot of excuses trotted out the last month. Can we all agree the following:? We act too late in the transfer market. We wasted £30m + on ESR who can't finish 90 mins. We are light in the No.9 role and in the centre of the park. Teams get injuries and a measure of a balanced well managed squad is how you deal with that. I like Silva but am worried this slump needs addressing quickly and it will take a change in mentality (NT) -- View from the Riverside, Monday, October 20, 01:47:38pm (NoHost/78.143.161.23)
  - Agree we act too late in the Market, we are light in the striking areas. In my opinion there is a player in ESr but he needs to show it. Do not believe mentality is an issue players are giving there all. (NT) -- Alboy, Monday, October 20, 03:09:46pm (host5-80-175-253.range5-80.btcentralplus.com/5.80.175.253)
- I think most people are capable of seeing all of the positives you mention, the difference is, most people can (constructively or not) see the things that aren't so rosy. Literally everything for you is best case only. And where (personally), that becomes incredibly grating, is when you seem to conflate any negative perceptions with lack of support. I know, personally, quite a few on here, and they, like me, have followed the club for decades and decades, home and away, rain or shine. (NT) -- Same Old Story, Monday, October 20, 02:26:45pm (85-115-49-2.mailcontrol.com/85.115.49.2)
  - Think it's about balance! It's ok if you want to be negative , some areas be improved. Knee jerk reactions do not help because things can change quickly. Players are not useless one week and great the next. Managers will always take a longer term view. I don't mind negativity as long as it's constructive and also occasionally include some positives. The main negative currently is finishing and anyone who's played or watched the game can see that. Hope with players returning that will improve. (NT) -- Alboy, Monday, October 20, 03:04:26pm (host5-80-175-253.range5-80.btcentralplus.com/5.80.175.253)
- Go back to our record since March of 2025 till now. It is abysmal. We are not getting better. Why be rosy? (NT) -- RR, Monday, October 20, 05:58:25pm (NoHost/104.220.143.92)
  - that is a very good point - what is our record since March?i do think we are not street wise enough or "have dog" in the team (NT) -- View from the Riverside, Monday, October 20, 06:00:58pm (NoHost/78.143.161.23)
  - Re: Go back since when do we look at only parts of the season? Our highest ever Premiership points tally not enough gor you then? (NT) -- Alboy, Tuesday, October 21, 03:11:12pm (host5-80-175-253.range5-80.btcentralplus.com/5.80.175.253)
    - Thats a ridiculously one dimensional, lacksidasical view, and the kind of thinking that gets teams relegated. We didn't strengthen sufficiently in the summer of 2013, because a last day win at swansea gave us an inflated view of our position. We finished 12th, so people thought everything was fine, because they ignored the fact that we won 1 of our last 8. We've won 5 of our last 13 - our form is worryingly poor, irrespective of that record points total. (NT) -- Same Old Story, Wednesday, October 22, 09:34:34am (85-115-49-2.mailcontrol.com/85.115.49.2)

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