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Supporters Trust Meeting with Board -- White Army, Friday, May 15, 02:59:31pm (85-115-49-2.mailcontrol.com/85.115.49.2)
Ouch - No respect from either side and growing tension!

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- Yup, not pretty reading. Good that FST are finally finding their voice but need actions too… (NT) -- woodman, Friday, May 15, 03:02:02pm (NoHost/46.31.84.144)
- Where are the minutes - can't find them on the FST site (NT) -- kenny's mazy dribble, Friday, May 15, 03:47:26pm (uk-128-203.toob.co.uk/145.40.128.203)
  - Only had email earlier this afternoon. Maybe on website later. (NT) -- Beano Reader, Friday, May 15, 03:55:45pm (NoHost/82.132.232.247)
- Re: Supporters Trust Meeting with Board (NT) -- Better than the Thunderbirds mob, Friday, May 15, 03:54:01pm (NoHost/31.94.72.26)
- Exactly my take as well, no love lost there and the Club blatantly have no time or respect for the FST. -- Gary Elkins Shin Pad, Friday, May 15, 04:32:29pm (233.219.198.146.dyn.plus.net/146.198.219.233)
  - Those meetings confined to nitty-gritty specifics of the matchday experience have seemed in a productive and mutually respectful spirit, but these have been (come to think of it) with people other than AM and DD. The latter seems to have it in for Simon Duke, judging purely by these minutes. As for FAB, it's conceivable that they are carrying out a useful job, but if they cannot communicate then no chance of assessing. FST does communicate and earns my annual tenner. (NT) -- b+w g., Friday, May 15, 05:24:08pm (host86-190-202-225.range86-190.btcentralplus.com/86.190.202.225)
Silva …. -- Mickey, Friday, May 15, 02:32:00pm (NoHost/82.132.220.159)
“ for the majority of our fans if you told them
in August after we bought 2 players on the Last Day of the market , and 1 on loan , you tell them with 2 games to go the chance is not closed yet for Europe; I believe the majority would say yes ( happy with the position )”. For me another ( too too) passive dig at those ‘fully in alignment ‘ with him . Yet some wonder why he still hasn’t committed

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- I have wonder why quite a few haven’t been committed. (NT) -- HemelRog, Friday, May 15, 03:01:52pm (NoHost/109.180.156.25)
- Yea a defo dig by Silva at the Board (following all the other managers). I happen to agree with him. (NT) -- woodman, Friday, May 15, 03:03:47pm (NoHost/46.31.84.144)
- Dear Marco, fixed it for you: "if you told them in August after we bought 2 players on the Last Day of the market, one for a club record fee, and 1 on loan, while not losing a single player, and then that we'd buy another hot number from Man City for £30m+ in January, and we'd be 11th in the table, I believe the majority [of our fans] would say yes, I've done about an average job managing the team this year." (NT) -- eganonoa, Friday, May 15, 03:53:29pm (NoHost/195.222.49.31)
  - Yes indeed , yet they want to Double the Salary of an at best average performing Manager and give him Even More Control in transfers .! Bizarre is it not ??? (NT) -- Mickey, Friday, May 15, 04:22:34pm (NoHost/82.132.220.159)
    - Do you think they ought to? (NT) -- b+w g., Friday, May 15, 05:31:12pm (host86-190-202-225.range86-190.btcentralplus.com/86.190.202.225)
Spymaster! -- Malc, Friday, May 15, 02:26:24pm (NoHost/90.216.40.81)
Ever since their new manager arrived results have improved remarkably in the league AND the cup.
Coincidence? I think not.
They've been AT IT since he arrived .
Should kicked the Championship and banned from the next 5 FA Cups.

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Out out out -- Alex, Friday, May 15, 08:20:58am (NoHost/109.78.72.244)
Silvas heart isn't here anymore. We are his last choice.

Even if he does renew we will most likely be firing him come next christmas. The race is run. The king is dead. Onto the next one. We are not a train station

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- Has it ever genuinely been at FFC? Wasn't he considering an offer from Saudi a few seasons ago? I think Fulham was just an opportunity to rebuild his reputation but it seems that his ego has always had one foot out the door. He really should stick around for another season or two and attempt to develop the millions of pounds of glorified championship players we've been saddled with into something at least resembling value for money. (NT) -- Samuel, Friday, May 15, 09:59:09am (NoHost/81.78.245.8)
  - You are Troll Cunt and I claim my prize (NT) -- Lobby Lud, Friday, May 15, 10:01:59am (host81-147-140-82.range81-147.btcentralplus.com/81.147.140.82)
Christian Norgaard anyone..? -- Just visiting, Friday, May 15, 03:11:00am (host217-44-71-84.range217-44.btcentralplus.com/217.44.71.84)
Massive improvement on what we have in CM imho. I reckon we could get him too.

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- Decent enough player, I wouldn’t say he’s a massive upgrade on what we have, but would be a good signing, but he’s 32 hardly played this season, Arsenal want money for him and his wages would be high, surely has to be better options ar (NT) -- TheRealStanTheMan, Friday, May 15, 07:15:00am (host86-183-240-254.range86-183.btcentralplus.com/86.183.240.254)
- No, another 30+ year old big wages with zero resale value. Especially if we’d want to try and keep Raul and with the new rules unless it’d almost a free transfer would be another back ourselves into a corner signing and not sure he’s a big upgrade on Berge/lukic anyway. (NT) -- Henry1879, Friday, May 15, 07:48:22am (82-132-222-19.dab.02.net/82.132.222.19)
- Are we a retirement home for Arsenal players and their rejects? They've had more than enough money out of Fulham's pocket and are probably still having a good chuckle over the ESR transfer. The recruitment has to dramatically improve, the club can't keep hemorrhaging millions on pensioners and duds. (NT) -- Samuel, Friday, May 15, 09:43:04am (NoHost/81.78.245.8)
  - Who was the sicknote Arsenal player we signed, never played a competetive match for us (NT) -- Al, Friday, May 15, 09:56:08am (cust-51.179.203.26.cgn.as5482.net/51.179.203.26)
    - Not sure, but Reiss Nelson was another recruitment catastrophe that Arsenal nearly got away with too. (NT) -- Samuel, Friday, May 15, 10:03:07am (NoHost/81.78.245.8)
    - I think that was Ian Selley ? (NT) -- Mickey, Friday, May 15, 10:48:40am (NoHost/82.132.220.159)
      - to be fair, he did play 3 games, and its difficult to blame him or arsenal for him snapping his shin just after joining. Stephen Hughes was always injured too. Other than that i'm struggling to think of any (NT) -- Same Old Story, Friday, May 15, 11:04:26am (NoHost/90.241.79.67)
      - Just won the league with Leatherhead (NT) -- woodman, Friday, May 15, 11:39:33am (cpc158567-haye26-2-0-cust402.17-4.cable.virginm.net/86.15.153.147)
    - Thomas Eisfeld? Not so much sicknote but just not very good, from memory. (NT) -- SD, Friday, May 15, 01:43:28pm (host86-159-199-196.range86-159.btcentralplus.com/86.159.199.196)
- We have 4 CM's, 2 are championship players and 2 will never score. We need to upgrade on Cairney/Reed to have 4 good options again (NT) -- Waterboy, Friday, May 15, 11:48:26am (NoHost/81.79.71.223)
- Decent enough - we need a midfield payer to do what Smith Rowe should be doing that is being able to creat opps for himself and others and to get ahead of the Centre Forward to give options (NT) -- Trusty left foot, Friday, May 15, 12:34:45pm (NoHost/90.218.73.108)
Craig Kline -- Facts, Thursday, May 14, 04:04:16pm (185-185-50-58.hosted-by-worldstream.net/185.185.50.58)
Could his return with TK be why Silva is delaying? Shad not happy.

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- Serious question: what was the point of Kline? Not sure what value or purpose his return would benefit the club. He seemed clueless. (NT) -- Samuel, Thursday, May 14, 07:58:35pm (NoHost/81.78.245.8)
Reports in Portugal saying Fulham have now offered Silva a four-year contract... -- G, Thursday, May 14, 03:21:14pm (NoHost/90.204.91.94)
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Allegedly ….. -- Mickey, Thursday, May 14, 03:16:32pm (host81-141-115-196.range81-141.btcentralplus.com/81.141.115.196)
Offering to ‘double his Salary to £8 million and affording him
‘Greater Control of Transfers’ ( whatever that means ), to me smacks of Clueless Desperation and very little hint of a ‘Contingency Plan’ other than perhaps at most the relative ease of Thomas Frank if at all. All this for a Manager of whom opinion of late has somewhat dipped , putting it politely . Otherwise why on earth would they be going to such extreme measures ? ? ?

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- ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz (NT) -- old codger, Thursday, May 14, 03:32:12pm (86-3-237-96.pon.virginmedia.net/86.3.237.96)
- The Khans are clearly prioritising stability over rolling the dice on change. It's perhaps understandable given the level of investment but I agree that it puts Silva in an unreasonably strong position, a position that the returns so far doesn't justify. But we don't really know what's going on behind the scenes so perhaps there's more to our decline in form and mentality than meets the eye. On the surface however, it's not a good look for the Khans. (NT) -- Samuel, Thursday, May 14, 08:09:52pm (NoHost/81.78.245.8)
- Re: Allegedly ….. (NT) -- Khan calling Silva out Silva unlikely to stay., Thursday, May 14, 10:27:40pm (host-2-102-164-149.as13285.net/2.102.164.149)
Not mentioned much -- Alboy, Thursday, May 14, 01:23:10pm (ec2-18-175-224-45.eu-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com/18.175.224.45)
Maybe I've missed it but one of the obviouse issues we have had is losing both Sess and Iwobi. Sess is far better going forward than Robinson, his crossing is better and his finishing is so much better. Iwobi is so good at carrying the ball forward, he can spot a pass ,cross well and he can finish as we have seen. These virtues were sadly missed against Bournemouth. We should not have lost this game. We got into some very good position's but our final ball, crossing and ability to score just wasn't there, especially as Jiminez was Injured in the warm up. These are nor excuses but facts, yes we should have been able to cope but we didn't. We have some great opportunities to get into that top 6 position but each time we have not taken the opportunity. Unlike some I do believe it has been a reasonable season. We do have things to resolve, we must sort the Marco situation out and I hope he stays. If we can bring in a striker and add some pace and creativity in midfield we can look forward to an even better next season. Yes I still have my optimistic glasses on but in the end its just an opinion. I would be interested to hear what you guys think.

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- I mentioned below that with Iwobi, Sess, Tete and Raul missing (you could add Berge too) we're missing half a team. I'd love people to re-watch that Bournemouth game, we were actually not that bad considering they're unbeaten since early Jan, we were very unlucky to get beaten IMO. (NT) -- Jim©, Thursday, May 14, 01:31:33pm (62-64-192-58.virtual1.co.uk/62.64.192.58)
  - We played well up to a point in the first half - full of energy and they were clearly up for it - but without the end product. Robinson was particularly wasteful having got himself into space, and there was the Muniz miss. Still, it would probably have turned out fine if it weren't for Andersen's idiocy (NT) -- JamieR, Thursday, May 14, 04:13:38pm (82-132-213-229.dab.02.net/82.132.213.229)
  - Every team has injuries, we’ve been amongst the lowest when it comes to time lost to injury for first team players over last couple of years. Bournemouth was decent, but the Arsenal effort was woeful, they hadn’t scored more than 1 in about 10 games and could have easily put 4 or 5 past us, people will say illness, but it was a similar poor effort v Liv away. Not saying we should be winning, but the performance was not good and our set pieces have become so bad again. (NT) -- Henry1879, Thursday, May 14, 04:30:14pm (cpc113818-lea23-2-0-cust423.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.27.157.168)
- Everybody underestimates Berge. He's essential in our team. (NT) -- GA, Thursday, May 14, 02:55:11pm (ool-18b90125.dyn.optonline.net/24.185.1.37)
  - he is rubbish ... he isn't a defensive mid , has zero instints. ..very poor mans gerrard if you like. stuck playing a role not natural to him.> same with Iwobi. A winger playing ACM because 'we havent recruited well' square pegs for a midfield has held FFC back these past 2 seasons? facts? (NT) -- he is a bits and pieces CM, Thursday, May 14, 03:54:01pm (ns5023939.ip-148-113-162.net/148.113.162.142)
    - QED (NT) -- GA, Thursday, May 14, 04:23:59pm (ool-18b90125.dyn.optonline.net/24.185.1.37)
VAR last night -- Mr Kurkuruza, Thursday, May 14, 11:24:16am (217-155-46-35.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk/217.155.46.35)
Did it help to make the correct decision, or did it potentially rob Hearts of the title they deserve? Hearts challenging a two club dominance of over 30 years is one of only two football stories that has captivated me this season. How disappointing if Celtic go on to win it yet again. If ever Scottish football needed a lift it is now. Last non Glasgow club to win that league was Aberdeen, under Alex Ferguson!

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- I find it astonishing that the referee came to the conclusion that contact was definitely made with the hand. The ball clearly came mostly off the defender’s head and may have touched his hand as well, but from the footage I’ve seen that is not at all clear. And he made his mind really quickly, in contrast to the much clearer decision in the West Ham game at the weekend. (NT) -- Bexhill Beast, Thursday, May 14, 11:39:42am (host86-136-186-42.range86-136.btcentralplus.com/86.136.186.42)
  - Agreed, and would the defenders hand been level with his head if the Celtic player challenging him had not risen to meet the ball? There should have been more scrutiny, or better still no VAR scrutiny at all! (NT) -- Mr Kurkuruza, Thursday, May 14, 11:57:54am (217-155-46-35.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk/217.155.46.35)
- Shocking decision for reasons mentioned above. Think I know who nuetrals will be supporting Celtic v Hearts (NT) -- CB, Thursday, May 14, 12:14:11pm (213-18-164-159.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.164.159)
  - I imagine most fair minded real football fans will be cheering on Hearts.Obvious dubious decision and unfortunately Celtic must be favourites now.Hathe both the bigots with a passion.Even some Hibs fans would prefer Hearts to win.Weber to the Anglo Scottish game.Great club back from the brink. (NT) -- HemelRog, Thursday, May 14, 12:23:30pm (NoHost/109.180.156.25)
  - I reckon even some Celtic fans will be wanting Hearts to win the title. I would if I was a Celtic fan. (NT) -- Mr Kurkuruza, Thursday, May 14, 12:40:28pm (217-155-46-35.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk/217.155.46.35)
- It's not just last night though. Over the last couple of weeks Celtic have had VAR assistance on as clear a red card tackle you will see from a Celtic player and also another penalty decision which should have been given against them. It's so rigged in favour of the 2 Glasgow clubs that Hearts unfortunately don't stand a chance when they play at Celtic park on Saturday (NT) -- Jimmy Hill's Chin, Thursday, May 14, 12:50:36pm (NoHost/176.248.211.130)
  - If all is as you suggest, then that's a deliberate bias. Do you really believe that to be the case, because I don't. (NT) -- Mr Kurkuruza, Thursday, May 14, 01:23:01pm (NoHost/167.98.155.194)
    - I expect the big boys get more than the rub of the green in just about every league in the world. (NT) -- HemelRog, Thursday, May 14, 02:06:30pm (NoHost/109.180.156.25)
      - Yes that's often been suggested, but if so what factors would contribute to this? (NT) -- Mr Kurkuruza, Thursday, May 14, 02:16:41pm (NoHost/167.98.155.194)
        
        Pressure at the big club venues? Financial implications? (NT) -- Hammersmithender, Thursday, May 14, 02:48:19pm (NoHost/31.94.12.76)
        
        Not sure Fir Park is a big venue. What would the financial implications be? (NT) -- Mr Kurkuruza, Thursday, May 14, 04:46:39pm (217-155-46-35.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk/217.155.46.35)
        
        The question above wasn't about Fir Park specifically but that the big boys get the rub of the green. (NT) -- Hammersmithender, Thursday, May 14, 08:48:52pm (NoHost/31.94.12.77)
        And in any case the decision in question benefited a big club. (NT) -- Hammersmithender, Thursday, May 14, 09:10:23pm (NoHost/31.94.12.77)
- It really was a complete joke. Hearts are fuming. (NT) -- GA, Thursday, May 14, 02:56:59pm (ool-18b90125.dyn.optonline.net/24.185.1.37)
- Something fishy about VAR once again finding a foul to protect the elite (NT) -- Waterboy, Friday, May 15, 12:07:58am (NoHost/81.79.71.223)
- Whatever you think of Celtic and Rangers, they are the cash cows of Scottish football, bringing in most of the money, they don’t want to upset that, it happens in every league. (NT) -- TheRealStanTheMan, Friday, May 15, 07:32:28am (host86-183-240-254.range86-183.btcentralplus.com/86.183.240.254)
  - They are the "cash cows" as you say, but Hearts attendances have increased and if they had a bigger capacity they would fill it if they keep a top 3 profile. Would be good for Scottish football. More broadcasting viewers brings in more advertising and subscription revenue. Celtic and Rangers have become fat and complacecent with their previous guarenteed European places. Tony Bloom has shown them up. His stats driven recruitment system has the Old Firm shitting themselves. (NT) -- Mr Kurkuruza, Friday, May 15, 08:58:45am (217-155-46-35.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk/217.155.46.35)
is it time to acknowledge that 'the owners' 'have taken the Club' 'as far as they can' -- dfs, Wednesday, May 13, 01:09:39pm (ns565315.ip-54-39-133.net/54.39.133.108)
Fulham wont go further with Daddys Son as DOF.
A DOF whose full time job is in America.

Without change, Fulham are stuck in this limbo.

and No Manager can overcome this.
Fulham will fall flat if The Money Shad willingly loses 'ever stopped'

Its not McKenna.

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- How much further can we go? what is the alternative? Ok, not perfect but rather just change the manager than the owners. We are consistent mid- table. With always a chance of doing better. (NT) -- CB, Wednesday, May 13, 03:12:26pm (213-18-164-159.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.164.159)
  - Far too sensible a post for this board! (NT) -- eganonoa, Wednesday, May 13, 05:57:53pm (cable-146-255-156-96.dynamic.telemach.ba/146.255.156.96)
    - 👍Well, I do think that fans have over expectations of this club. Probably my age, but how much further can we go? Europe, a Cup we are usually in the mix these days. Something we only dreamed years back -- CB, Wednesday, May 13, 06:51:24pm (213-18-164-159.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.164.159)
      - Yep exactly. Our name in the hat each and every year. That kind of stability is a bit of a dream and presents the best opportunity for something to eventually happen (like under Hodgson). There is no breaking into the top-6. So it's hard to see what else there is. (NT) -- eganonoa, Wednesday, May 13, 09:01:31pm (cable-146-255-156-96.dynamic.telemach.ba/146.255.156.96)
        
        I'm not sure how you can say 'there's no breaking into the top 6' when Bournemouth have literally done just that, and if they don't end up there, its likely either Brighton, Everton or Brentford will On a permanent basis is a different story of course, but it absolutely can be done as a one off or occasional occurence (NT) -- Same Old Story, Thursday, May 14, 10:22:05am (85-115-49-2.mailcontrol.com/85.115.49.2)
        
        "On a permanent basis" should be implied in there. The point is, keep your name in the hat every year and good things will happen. Bournemouth will not be 6th again consistently. Eventually they'll get relegated. Like us, the best they can reasonably hope to achieve is their name being in the hat each year and the chance to have the kind of year they are having or Palace had last year. (NT) -- eganonoa, Thursday, May 14, 12:56:10pm (NoHost/172.56.178.249)
        
        Then we're aligned. I didn't/don't see the implied inclusion of the phrase, as you specifically said 'There is no breaking in.....' which seemed a fairly firm stance rather than an implied 'you might get in now and again'. But no worries. (NT) -- Same Old Story, Thursday, May 14, 03:41:27pm (85-115-49-2.mailcontrol.com/85.115.49.2)
        
        Yeah, Top 6 was meant to mean "Big 6" or whatever they're called. As in, we'll never be one of those clubs that will consistently challenge for honours, or expect to do that. Ours is purely a numbers game. Keep playing and hope, one day, our lucky number comes up. (NT) -- eganonoa, Thursday, May 14, 06:20:14pm (NoHost/195.222.49.31)
        
        It was implied and factual save for the odd remote occasion. It's called odds and being realistic. (NT) -- CB, Thursday, May 14, 08:08:29pm (213-18-164-159.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.164.159)
- Re: is it time to acknowledge that 'the owners' 'have taken the Club' 'as far as they can' -- Jimmy Hills Mum, Wednesday, May 13, 03:32:04pm (130.126.213.195.dyn.plus.net/195.213.126.130)
- Totally agree, the Khans live in the USA & hardly visit games, who chooses overpriced dud recruitments, Mackintosh has creamed approx £20 million here but at best we are now a mid table PL club capable of winning zilch & will likely flirt with relegation again at this rate. FFC is now mainly a Corporate club for rich visitors in the Riverside. Silva is not an £8 million a year manager either. (NT) -- Ben, Wednesday, May 13, 04:05:25pm (97e26a57.skybroadband.com/151.226.106.87)
  - Good Ownership isn’t just about pumping money into the Club, but equally about ensuring the right personnel are in place to fully support the Manager in all aspects and have a system in place whereby when changes inevitably occur , there is a smooth transition to the next phase . The Strategy of over -glorifying and over -paying whilst not being on hand and instead prioritising other interests will only lead to lead one way . The Ambition is continued PL Existence ; no more . (NT) -- Mickey, Wednesday, May 13, 04:58:57pm (host81-141-115-196.range81-141.btcentralplus.com/81.141.115.196)
- The easy option is to have a Director of football working with the Manager. We are not doing badly but should be challenging much harder for an European spot. The striker situation needs solving and we need to recruit in the midfield area where we need more inventiveness and pace. We're not far off being g a very good side, losing Iwobi hasn't helped our cause but our lack of firepower in front of goal has cost us this season. Need to resolve the Marco situation as soon as possible. (NT) -- Alboy, Wednesday, May 13, 04:48:48pm (host109-149-68-75.range109-149.btcentralplus.com/109.149.68.75)
- Khan is the best owner we've ever had. (NT) -- GA, Wednesday, May 13, 11:58:07pm (ool-18b90125.dyn.optonline.net/24.185.1.37)
  - Re: Khan is the best owner we've ever had. Rubbish, even though Fayed has sex allegations (not known then) Fayed always attended CC matches (inc a Europa Cup Final) & gave us our most successful managers & squads. (NT) -- Ben, Thursday, May 14, 11:59:46am (97e26a57.skybroadband.com/151.226.106.87)
- Would you rather go the way of Villa, Chelsea, ManC and Newcastle and hold your nose if you win something. (NT) -- Be careful what you wish for, Thursday, May 14, 07:24:54am (NoHost/80.233.75.178)
Anybody else think -- Silva is ruining his legacy, Wednesday, May 13, 06:40:06am (NoHost/94.10.170.244)
Acting like some sort of flusey

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- He'll be regarded as one of our best manager's ever but no doubt he's dropped a bollock this season. Anderson f@ck up aside, the irony is that the uncertainty about Silva's future has had a negative ripple effect. I reckon if we had certainty one way or the other it would have translated on the pitch and we'd get into Europe. His dithering will also likely disrupt prep for the 26/27 season making us struggle a distinct possibility. So ruined legacy? No, but he's leaving a massive skid mark on it (NT) -- Superfly, Wednesday, May 13, 06:57:41am (NoHost/62.56.21.147)
- off to benfica probably, and who will he come back for, Wilson? King? (NT) -- We need to move on, Wednesday, May 13, 07:35:39am (host86-184-57-142.range86-184.btcentralplus.com/86.184.57.142)
  - Shouldn't think so, no way Benfica could pay the Wages Wilson will be looking for next season. King maybe, but he might regard the Portugese league as a step back. (NT) -- GTS, Wednesday, May 13, 11:31:44am (24.206.100.60.netskope-rdns.com/24.206.100.60)
- He absolutely has. (NT) -- SCA, Wednesday, May 13, 08:24:56am (NoHost/2.123.71.86)
  - ...and in a way, I’m glad it’s ended like this... no wondering what might have been, and disappointed that he’s been ‘poached’. Just want him gone and a new man in place, so we can plan properly for next season. If he's here, and we start off badly next season, it'll quickly turn toxic IMO. (NT) -- SCA, Wednesday, May 13, 08:33:58am (NoHost/2.123.71.86)
    - I agree. Like Mitro and Saha their behaviour leading up to their leaving just made you want them gone. (NT) -- The Man With No Name, Wednesday, May 13, 09:04:32am (host81-147-140-82.range81-147.btcentralplus.com/81.147.140.82)
      - And yet without Mitrovic going we would have failed FFP and without Saha going we wouldn't have been able to afford to go back to the cottage - amazing how convenient it was that we managed to sell players who desperately wanted out right at the point the club needed money incoming...... (NT) -- Same Old Story, Wednesday, May 13, 10:49:41am (NoHost/90.241.79.67)
        
        Not sure it is convenient as such, just the way football business is at all clubs who aren't Man City, Barcelona etc. (NT) -- GTS, Wednesday, May 13, 11:19:38am (24.206.100.60.netskope-rdns.com/24.206.100.60)
        
        I mean it was convenient that two crowd favourite players were suddenly behaving unreasonably at the same point when it became neccessary for the club to sell them. (NT) -- Same Old Story, Wednesday, May 13, 01:32:49pm (NoHost/90.241.79.67)
        
        There’s ways of going about things, without refusing to play or engineering things in a certain way, I’m sure plenty of players have left previously without the public hullabaloo or need to throw toys out the pram. Or are you saying mitrovic didn’t say he refused to play or Saha didn’t call it a disgrace when we rejected a bid for them? (NT) -- Henry1879, Wednesday, May 13, 12:56:52pm (cpc113818-lea23-2-0-cust423.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.27.157.168)
        
        I didn't see any evidence Mitrovic refused to play. He didn't look like he had refused to play in the opening game of the season when he came off the bench at Everton. And i never saw Saha say that. Just that it was difficult to concentrate on football with the saga that was ongoing. As opposed to Bullard who literally told the BBC that he wouldn't play on the contract terms he had. What I'm saying is that stuff that comes out of the club isn't always true and i know that for a fact. (NT) -- Same Old Story, Wednesday, May 13, 01:29:55pm (NoHost/90.241.79.67)
        
        Places like sky sports stated mitrovic refused to play and told his relatives that was the case. Didn’t he change his insta to him in an Ah Alil shirt too? Saha was “totally disgusted and virtually destroyed”, if either if those things aren’t true then I don’t know why either wouldn’t sue the likes of Sky for slander. Plenty have left the club and done so in a far less public manner. Why would those specific stories be released? What’s the club motivation? (NT) -- Henry1879, Wednesday, May 13, 01:52:20pm (cpc113818-lea23-2-0-cust423.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.27.157.168)
        
        To appease the fans making it look as though the player forced a move when it suited the selling club as well. (NT) -- Bexhill Beast, Wednesday, May 13, 02:00:09pm (host86-136-186-42.range86-136.btcentralplus.com/86.136.186.42)
        
        I thought the club didn’t care about the fans and the likes of AM just ignored them and their concerns? Surely any reasonable, and the vast majority, of fans would understand sometimes as a mid prem club you have to sell a player due FFP and to strengthen elsewhere, even if they are a fan favourite. I don’t get how FFC or XY media company aren’t open to being sued for defamation if they’ve made something so specific up. (NT) -- Henry1879, Wednesday, May 13, 02:23:04pm (cpc113818-lea23-2-0-cust423.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.27.157.168)
        
        Because, as has been explained, the club would be leaking those things specifically. How can the club sue, when the club are the source. As I've said, i know for a fact this has absolutely happened at least once. (NT) -- Same Old Story, Thursday, May 14, 10:28:21am (85-115-49-2.mailcontrol.com/85.115.49.2)
        
        No the individual could sue, why wouldn’t mitrovic sue FFC for defamation? It’s been specifically reported he told his family he wont play for FFC again, if that came from FFC it’s blatant defamation. What is the one time they’ve factually done this? I just don’t see why a club who ignores supporters groups, doesn’t care about legacy fans at all (or so I’m told) but then is releasing potentially libellous stories to appease those same fans. (NT) -- Henry1879, Thursday, May 14, 01:09:44pm (cpc113818-lea23-2-0-cust423.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.27.157.168)
        
        because its all agreed with the player. The player gets to move, gets a loyalty bonus, whatever. Its not done without any party not agreeing. Absolutely your perogative not to believe me, that this happens, but this back and forth is becoming pointless now. (NT) -- Same Old Story, Thursday, May 14, 03:43:45pm (85-115-49-2.mailcontrol.com/85.115.49.2)
        And as per the Mitrovic comment - he LITERALLY did play for the club again - after those comments were reported. So he either did a complete about face, then the club decided to sell anyway (for less than they'd apparently turned down!), or something wasn't quite what it was being made out to be all along. (NT) -- Same Old Story, Thursday, May 14, 03:50:25pm (85-115-49-2.mailcontrol.com/85.115.49.2)
        
        And to your point 'vast majority of fans would....' - i used to be this blissfully naiive too. I used to assume that because i don't find FFP/SCR etc complex, but in reality, its not the case at all. LOADS don't get it. People still moan we haven't spent the Palhinha/Mitrovic money. People think we're going into every summer able to spend £200m+ People don't get that we're still spending money on the amortisation of (for instance) Iwobi's transfer fee. The club think we're all dumb, as well. (NT) -- Same Old Story, Thursday, May 14, 12:07:38pm (85-115-49-2.mailcontrol.com/85.115.49.2)
        
        Many are dumb then, it’s not a PSR thing, pre and during PSR, FFC and 99% of other football clubs you have to sell to buy, if Liv, City and Arsenal sell in order to meet financial needs then how can anyone with any sort of intelligence not understand that Fulham have to. If PSR didn’t exist we’d still sell players. Maybe I’m just being very tolerant, but how can anyone with a straight face and brain sell see how much our rivals sell and genuinely get angry when we sell the odd player. (NT) -- Henry1879, Thursday, May 14, 01:27:28pm (cpc113818-lea23-2-0-cust423.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.27.157.168)
        
        Because fans are emotive, and a lot haven't really grown up with the finances being relevant. How many times have you seen people say 'its not your money who cares how they spend it' and the like. It is what it is (NT) -- Same Old Story, Thursday, May 14, 03:47:36pm (85-115-49-2.mailcontrol.com/85.115.49.2)
        
        I've no knowledge of veracity or source of media reporting in the build up to Mitro's departure so I make no judgement on it. There were things I saw with my own eyes which made me uncomfortable towards the end - & it didn't help when he went down in the box as if he had been shot followed by close-ups showing no apparent contact. If I am wrong, well I apologize. Nonetheless, a wonderful striker for us including adding almost playmaking contributions as he went into midfield.to fetch the ball. (NT) -- Barry@ENF, Thursday, May 14, 11:17:53pm (NoHost/90.243.152.38)

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