- Last night was a timely reminder of how useful Cairney is. A great squad player and classy footballer. No surprise we started retaining possession much better when he came on. -- Neil G, Tuesday, December 23, 02:53:18pm (NoHost/31.94.34.157)
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- Fwiw …. Ornstein reporting -- Mickey, Tuesday, December 23, 02:47:20pm (82-132-232-83.dab.02.net/82.132.232.83)
A 3 Year Contract offered to Silva ; no
Release Clause mentioned . But as he ‘ tends to leave his decisions until quite late , Fulham are not panicking at this point in time and have a list of potential replacements should he fail to sign ‘. Perhaps not really ‘new’ news , as I remember Russ Goldman being told similar by an ‘Insider Source’ a good few weeks back .
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- But I am definitely inclined to trust Ornstein more! (NT) -- Jungle J, Tuesday, December 23, 04:45:50pm (host86-178-49-61.range86-178.btcentralplus.com/86.178.49.61)
- ADD -Fulham have offered Marco Silva a contract that would make him one of the top six highest-paid managers in the Premier League, journalist David Ornstein (NT) -- News, Tuesday, December 23, 05:10:46pm (2e409ff7.skybroadband.com/46.64.159.247)
- To buy all these players seems to me unlikely without selling one or more than one of Robinson , Muniz and King . We actually haven’t done badly without Robinson and Muniz this season . Robinson was hugely influential in the last couple of seasons , Muniz at his best a fantastically powerful striker with immense talent and still only 24 . The upside is enormous . And regarding upside same is true of King . Already fantastic considering 18 yrs (NT) -- alanos, Wednesday, December 24, 08:55:09am (82-132-235-138.dab.02.net/82.132.235.138)
- SMith - Rowe For England -- HS, Tuesday, December 23, 02:17:53pm (cpc113808-lea23-2-0-cust136.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.26.148.137)
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- All about the points -- Alboy, Tuesday, December 23, 12:32:56pm (host109-150-14-226.range109-150.btcentralplus.com/109.150.14.226)
At this time of the season considering our league position it's about getting 3 points. It was a gritty win but sometimes it's better than being the better side but losing the game. I thought Cuenca and Andersen defended well. Tete and Robinson were both excellent and Leno looked composed in everything he did. Second half we were giving the ball away far too frequently and bring ginger Cairney on was the perfect substitution. He has that ability, calmness on the ball and he immediately settled us down also thought Emile Smith-Rowe had another good game. Josh King was also very good when he came on. Not our best performance but that's fine if you win the game.
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- I thought Robinson looked rusty. A few good things but gave it away too often. He will come good once he is fully match fit. (NT) -- Observer, Tuesday, December 23, 12:42:21pm (NoHost/90.202.14.192)
- Agreed. His athleticism to get up and down the pitch is very impressive, but defensively, for me he often gets caught out of position. He is good in 1 on 1 situations, but more broadly, I think he gets cut a lot of slack for the mistakes he makes (NT) -- Martin Jolly, Tuesday, December 23, 01:26:46pm (host86-152-106-1.range86-152.btcentralplus.com/86.152.106.1)
- Yes at this stage of his comeback he looks about 70% of the player he was last season. However, I thought there was a lot of potential in his link up play with Kevin. They are going to be a right handful for defences. (NT) -- Mr Kurkuruza, Tuesday, December 23, 05:20:02pm (NoHost/84.71.232.85)
- Must admit I thought ESR had his worst game for some time. You’re right though, last night was all about the result. (NT) -- Bexhill Beast, Tuesday, December 23, 01:29:15pm (82-132-222-77.dab.02.net/82.132.222.77)
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Apparantly Tonkeys NET worth... is 1BN -- DOF watcher, Tuesday, December 23, 12:01:58pm (ns3168671.ip-51-178-130.eu/51.178.130.44)
yes his own wealth!
not a dime from Shaddy IS 1BN
this man IS legit!
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- Is the Liverpool game sold out? -- Dave, Tuesday, December 23, 11:03:18am (NoHost/90.213.33.11)
Is the Liverpool game sold out?
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- Forest game -- Henry1879, Tuesday, December 23, 07:13:51am (cpc113812-lea23-2-0-cust213.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.26.216.214)
Overall I was really happy with it, as often happens this time of year when games are stacking up, there was a lack of quality at times, but that’s only one phase of the game, a lot of the others we did really well. At times they won the midfield battle, but they have Englsnd’s best player last 4-5 games: another England squad player and Luiz who got sold to Juve for a lot of money a couple of seasons ago ie their midfield is up there with anything in the league outside top 3. For context look at forests results under dyche, been scoring for fun, yet we limited them to half chances, Leno barely had a save to make.
Thought we defended brilliantly, Robbo and Tete shackled CHO & Hutchinson, but everyone grafted to help. Kevin is just so low on confidence, so often taking safer option with a square pass, the one time he did go at them we got a pen. But he’s surprised me in how good he is going back, there’s something to work with, his attitude is still spot on, will need time to continue to adapt and find his confidence again. Thought Raul epitomised us as a team, put in so much and when we played ball into his feet had some lovely touches, just got outmuscled by 2 good CBs when played to his head/chest. But anyone expecting him to be mitro or score 15-20 goals, he won’t, but he offers so much more work rate, works the wider channels, at times dropped to right midfield when Wilson was caught up the pitch, he helps the team so much and is such a selfless CF.
Whisper it quietly, but does it feel like Leno looks more solid again, ok no difficult saves but dealt with crosses well and made good decisions. Both Cuenca and Anderson dealt with everything, all our back 4 gave 8/9 out of 10 performances. Even now I feel Cuenca should keep the shirt ahead of Bassey, when both are available, Cuenca is just a really good 7/8 out of 10 CB. Cairney was exactly the right sub, as he should have been v Newcastle, came on, got his foot on the ball and steadied the ship.
I thought it was great, I love to see the team graft, show grit, determination and desire to win a game so much, especially after such a dissapointing league cup exit. A few additions in January will be vital, as they will for a lot of teams, but last night we showed a lot of qualities that i feel we’ve sometimes lacked and put to bed any doubts I had about silva contract and it maybe effecting the players. Sunderland have almost built their season on how we played last night, so if we can mantain that level of attitude, defensive structure and work rate add a few; get Kevin’s confidence back and Wilson the ball in good areas we can climb this league.
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- I agree, and for me it’s almost more satisfying to win a game for what we do off the ball rather than being overly expansive . Our defence were like Warriors last night and a special mention to Cairney who once on knitted our play together very well which meant we kept the ball better on breaking . (NT) -- Mickey, Tuesday, December 23, 07:49:11am (host86-191-248-108.range86-191.btcentralplus.com/86.191.248.108)
- Just about totally spot on.The defence individually and as a unit were terrific.Great three points.Our defending really surprised me. (NT) -- HemelRog, Tuesday, December 23, 07:55:35am (5e04ef25.bb.isp.sky.com/94.4.239.37)
- Although the game wasn’t pretty we did look more cohesive, as a team, in defence than normal and it showed. Raul is an excellent professional in every metric but he’s is being asked to do an almost impossible job. He’s playing flat out as our only really viable front man and at his age and the work rate he puts in is really hard. If Marco doesn’t believe in Kusi at present then we really need Muniz back fit or another option to share the number 9 position. (NT) -- Fulham Si, Tuesday, December 23, 12:08:21pm (static-80-177-78-58.vodafonexdsl.co.uk/80.177.78.58)
- This time last season was that grim 0-0 in the rain vs southampton so must be a general thing! (NT) -- Waterboy, Tuesday, December 23, 01:33:10pm (NoHost/84.69.18.104)
- Well that was fun -- JoeT, Tuesday, December 23, 12:16:59am (cpc96906-walt25-2-0-cust362.13-2.cable.virginm.net/82.13.233.107)
The epitome of a cagey game. We took a very pragmatic approach, you could tell we were nervy but a huge 3 points. Forget about the attacking performance because there was not much of that but the defence showed up big time, Tete was a rock and this game suited him. Made Forest look very poor. Although they had the better chances, they were half chances at best. Phew!
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- Massive 3pts -- Fulham Russ, Monday, December 22, 11:15:17pm (NoHost/31.94.35.0)
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- "Kusadasi" - so glad he came on. Raul needed a break. All subs coming on have to run around like headless chickens to help us see out the game. TC was class. -- Slimtim, Monday, December 22, 10:49:45pm (92.40.169.63.threembb.co.uk/92.40.169.63)
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- Not great at all -- JamieR, Monday, December 22, 10:38:17pm (82-132-212-217.dab.02.net/82.132.212.217)
Well I guess the best that can be said about that second half is that Silva got his subs right. The game was clearly crying out for Cairney to get his foot on the ball and indeed the intensity of the pressure we were under immediately improved once he came on. King was also great and I'm glad he replaced Kevin rather than the normal auto-sub with ESR.
Great last ditch defending all game from all of the back four - just wish we weren't doing so much of it. I like Cuenca a lot.
We miss Iwobi in that central role so much. Not sure what Silva can do really - play ESR in there? I suppose he needs to stick with Kevin for West Ham and seen if things start to click but blimey what a difference from when he first appeared against Leeds and looked electric
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- For a team that never plays well, the league position is decent. Definitely some positives tonight, Kevin was better, needs something to go for him, and the lad up front certainly has something about him (NT) -- Mca, Monday, December 22, 10:50:27pm (NoHost/45.150.147.153)
- Re: Not great at all (NT) -- Just give Kevin a run of games., Monday, December 22, 11:01:50pm (host-92-24-210-86.as13285.net/92.24.210.86)
- Well there it is -- BBC comments, Monday, December 22, 10:25:17pm (2e409ff7.skybroadband.com/46.64.159.247)
Since the start of November, only Manchester City (21), Aston Villa (21) and Arsenal (17) have earned more points in the Premier League than Fulham (15).
Fulham have also won four of their last six Premier League games (lost two), as many victories as they enjoyed in their previous 15 games (drawn two, lost nine).
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Not pretty..... -- Happy (dry) Christmas y'all., Monday, December 22, 10:06:40pm (customer.vpls.net/107.6.254.141)
but hopefully the bed-wetters on here can have a few dry nights.
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- Victory -- Depressed, Monday, December 22, 10:06:36pm (host-78-149-190-10.as13285.net/78.149.190.10)
By all accounts a hard earned win. Note Wilson went off injured. I hope it is not too serious.
Do not see how Marco can persist with a midfield of Lukij and Berge.
We need some decent players in the transfer window.
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- That was hard work and a hard watch. -- SCA, Monday, December 22, 10:03:51pm (NoHost/90.203.120.157)
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- Superb subs by Marco -- Slimtim, Monday, December 22, 10:01:35pm (92.40.169.63.threembb.co.uk/92.40.169.63)
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- TC got a bit of control back to the match when we had none (NT) -- Ra's al Ghul, Monday, December 22, 10:05:11pm (NoHost/212.132.246.99)
- Immediately back on the ball when TC came on. King looked great, even KSA seemed alright. (NT) -- HE, Monday, December 22, 10:05:51pm (a109-51-253-198.cpe.netcabo.pt/109.51.253.198)
- Kusi-Asare did well, no much quality from either team, but very happy with the win! (NT) -- Rudolph, Monday, December 22, 10:07:01pm (c145-207.i06-5.onvol.net/77.71.145.207)
- Dont sit back Fulham down ti Silva. -- CB, Monday, December 22, 09:15:49pm (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
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- I’ll say it again -- Ffc, Monday, December 22, 08:35:51pm (97e1e3d2.skybroadband.com/151.225.227.210)
Lukic & Berge can’t play together can’t tackle, can’t pass can’t create
MODS DELETE AS APPROPRIATE
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- Piss poor sky coverage -- Jimmy Hill's Chin, Monday, December 22, 07:13:09pm (NoHost/176.248.211.130)
Not able to make the game tonight so watching it on Sky. Having to endure Carragher. Bit of a moan here, but if I'm tuning into watch Fulham vs Forest why do I have to watch 15 minutes of him going over the Liverpool game? Start the programme half hour later if you have to.
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- My team for tonight GK Leno , RB Tete , CB Cuenca, CB Diop, (LB )Jedi , (M )Berge , (M )King LW ESR RW Adama AM Wilson CF Raul . -- Button, Monday, December 22, 05:39:17pm (NoHost/185.69.144.245)
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- Looking for two tickets in Hammersmith end ideally but consider any in the same stand.. -- FF, Monday, December 22, 03:29:32pm (82-132-212-242.dab.02.net/82.132.212.242)
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- RIP Chris Rea - A truly great bloke. -- CB, Monday, December 22, 03:13:34pm (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
Like me, he loved his cars (Lotus 7s) and guitars. More proficient at both. Sad timing for his family.
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- He had the best Christmas song. (NT) -- Hammersmithender, Monday, December 22, 04:28:35pm (NoHost/31.94.24.130)
- So sad to learn this, loved his music and totally agree with Hammersmithender’s comment below. (NT) -- Behill beast, Monday, December 22, 05:12:47pm (host86-141-94-242.range86-141.btcentralplus.com/86.141.94.242)
- loved the ‘God’s Great Banana Skin’ album… proper musician. RIP Chris. (NT) -- Straw Clutchers Anonymous, Monday, December 22, 07:54:57pm (NoHost/90.203.120.157)
- Settle for 2 Points Forest,West Ham -- Don’t tell him Pike, Monday, December 22, 12:23:56pm (host-92-24-210-86.as13285.net/92.24.210.86)
Not Negative but Realistic.Playing Forest tonight who have a stronger squad than us and imo will finish above us. West Ham on the other hand have been poor in General this season and in big trouble. Three points on the 27th would be nice avoiding defeat a priority.
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- Re: Settle for 2 Points Forest,West Ham (NT) -- Transfer buisness early please., Monday, December 22, 01:24:49pm (host-92-24-210-86.as13285.net/92.24.210.86)
- It's going to be tough tonight given the absence of Iwobi, Chuckycheesy and - to a lesser degree - Bassey. Forest have pace & quality going forward and are now starting to settle under Dyche. I think a point is perhaps the best we can hope for under the circumstances but we could also be on the end of a hammering. But we do seem to have a voodoo over them, so hopefully that will continue. (NT) -- Samuel, Monday, December 22, 02:27:07pm (NoHost/83.106.75.64)
- Could do with 3 tonight and 1 at weeked min. We have some heavy duty fixtures.with a weakened squad. I'm not as complacent as many seem to be. (NT) -- CB, Monday, December 22, 05:36:00pm (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
- Why so negative? -- Crafty Cottager, Monday, December 22, 11:40:23am (NoHost/94.10.141.250)
Lets just get behind the team tonight. 2 wins and we'll only need 12 points from the last 20 games to stay up. 30 points is not impossible and we've got a shout for Europe. Marco is the best manager we've had in years, I can't believe some are calling for his head.
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- I have a spare ticket (over 65) in the Hammersmith End if anyone needs one). -- P (spare ticket (over 65) Ham end), Monday, December 22, 11:10:24am (NoHost/90.213.33.11)
I have a spare ticket (over 65) in the Hammersmith End if anyone needs one). Just message me.
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- Anything less than 4 points from tonight and West Ham and Silva is gone. Few candidates lined up. -- PSR SCR FFP, Monday, December 22, 11:07:05am (NoHost/109.79.82.230)
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- £20 Ticket available for tonight if anyone needs one. Leave message with contact number in reply - Thanks. -- >>, Monday, December 22, 09:18:23am (94-30-83-200.xdsl.murphx.net/94.30.83.200)
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- The winds of change are blowing in from the thames -- Buckle yourself up!, Monday, December 22, 02:28:16am (82-132-233-6.dab.02.net/82.132.233.6)
Strap yourself in for a very very tumultuous month at Fulham football club. The league table on the 22nd January is going to look very different to the current table. Prepare yourselves for it. Marco won't be our manager in a months time. Before our game against Brighton on the 24th we will have a new manager. We might well be in the relegation zone. Probably out of the cup. But we must hold together and we can win the battle by the end of the seasons I'm sure of it.
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- Massive week incoming -- Ffc, Sunday, December 21, 09:08:39pm (97e1e3d2.skybroadband.com/151.225.227.210)
Win tomorrow & win at West Ham on Saturday
Puts us 13 points ahead of third bottom
Has this team got the bollox & fight to make that happen
If not …..we’re going to be neck deep in the 💩
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- That he wont even give the 18 year old on loan striker a decent try out , even in a cup game , or after 60 mins in league games when Jiminez is clearly exhausted is just so bad . It suggests MS is fearful not that he will prove useless but rather the opposite (NT) -- alanos, Sunday, December 21, 09:22:39pm (82-132-234-91.dab.02.net/82.132.234.91)
- Spurious Alanos suggestion should also consider exposure to elite level No9 spot requires protecting. Physical presence, sheer strength, weight and ability to make use of experienced opponents are all part of a decision when exposing youth. (NT) -- Eerwah, Sunday, December 21, 11:28:31pm (customer.brseaus1.pop.starlinkisp.net/65.181.3.2)
- Josh King -- TommyFFCGun, Sunday, December 21, 02:23:05am (host86-185-142-12.range86-185.btcentralplus.com/86.185.142.12)
I see some people on this forum are suggesting we swap King for another player plus cash or are suggesting King will never make it due to his lack of strength. King is 18 and still developing physically. Look at the difference in Sess physically from when he burst through to now. People suggesting we move on from King clearly don't know ball and should stop using the Internet.
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- Silva to sign.. -- TommyFFCGun, Sunday, December 21, 02:17:02am (host86-185-142-12.range86-185.btcentralplus.com/86.185.142.12)
..a new contract in the next week. Club wouldn't commit to transfers in Jan without Silva signing on. Squad rate Silva but have become unsettled by the uncertainty over his future. JKA returning to Bayern in Jan. Silva never wanted him and doesn't rate him. Moises Kean and Bisoumma from Spurs are his preferred targets. Club are concerned about Silva leaving realising they need him more than he needs them but are justifiably worried about conceding to his demands for transfer activity while he can walk away for free in 7 months.
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- Please on his form this year Moises Kean would be a far bigger disaster than Kevin ! He has starting form of 2 goals in 18 games for Fiorentina who are plumb bottom of series A . He also was brought by Silva to Everton and got him the sack there . One goal in 640 mins and you squeal that Muniz ain’t productive enough . (NT) -- alanos, Sunday, December 21, 03:36:22am (82-132-233-245.dab.02.net/82.132.233.245)
- Would like us to put in a bid for Brennan Johnson. I think Palace are interested. (NT) -- coulio, Sunday, December 21, 11:13:49am (host-78-149-78-167.as13285.net/78.149.78.167)
- It would seem that Raheem Sterling is back on Fulham's radar and has already had long talks with the Club. Apparently, he is keen on the move and has accepted a massive drop in wages but the stumbling block is that he wants a longer contract than we have offered. Palace have also offered him a similar deal to us. (NT) -- Ted White, Sunday, December 21, 12:12:41pm (host109-145-227-215.range109-145.btcentralplus.com/109.145.227.215)
- All of your post is possible perhaps even likely but there's no way you KNOW any of it. (NT) -- The Man With No Name, Sunday, December 21, 05:30:10pm (host81-141-119-135.range81-141.btcentralplus.com/81.141.119.135)
- Look this is made for us £100k a week ok give him 2 years.We are in no position to fart about. Unless we have a safe 30/.40m to throw about. And then no gaurantees. (NT) -- CB, Sunday, December 21, 06:25:29pm (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
- MY GOD! HOW STUPID ARE YOU PEOPLE? (apart from analos, who we all know is bat-shit crazy). THIS Tommy is just a TROLL! (NT) -- GET A GRIP!, Sunday, December 21, 08:24:06pm (NoHost/81.92.200.151)
- I wonder if Gus Hamer of Sheffield Utd is still on our radar? -- Straw Clutchers Anonymous, Saturday, December 20, 04:06:26pm (NoHost/90.203.120.157)
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- Let us hope Fulham sign their transfer targets early in the transfer window instead of waiting until the last possible moment (NT) -- Depressed, Saturday, December 20, 05:00:12pm (host-78-149-190-10.as13285.net/78.149.190.10)
- Bloody hope not... (NT) -- T, Saturday, December 20, 10:15:24pm (NoHost/90.204.91.94)
- He'd definitely better than anything we currently have up front, including Muniz. But I think we need to aim higher than championship strikers now. We have one already and he's delivered 2 months of form in 5 years. Now we need premier League quality and ambition. No more of these donkey center forwards. (NT) -- Samuel, Sunday, December 21, 06:00:35pm (NoHost/83.106.75.64)
- Oh FFS. Gus Hamer is not a striker. (NT) -- GA, Sunday, December 21, 09:16:33pm (ool-18b90125.dyn.optonline.net/24.185.1.37)
- You keep writing this bullshit. Clarify which 2 months you are talking about. (NT) -- You r full of crap., Sunday, December 21, 09:25:37pm (customer.vpls.net/107.6.254.141)
- If it were up to Samuel, he would have sold half the team. Muniz of course is top of his list to go as well as Harry Wilson who he said wouldn't be missed if we sold him in January. I think he has unrealistic expectations on who we can get in if we sell the players he has very little faith in. (NT) -- JoeT, Monday, December 22, 03:52:03am (cpc96906-walt25-2-0-cust362.13-2.cable.virginm.net/82.13.233.107)
- Sess out Monday -- Alboy, Friday, December 19, 07:10:24pm (host109-150-14-226.range109-150.btcentralplus.com/109.150.14.226)
It's a real shame Sess is not available for Monday's game. Until Keving gers up to speed , I would have loved to have seen Sess playing ahead of Robbo think they would be very exciting playing together, especially as Chuckweze and Iwobi are both away. I think we will probably start with the same eleven as started at Newcastle. I would like at some stage to see Cairney next to Bergh as he has the ability to keep the ball, unlock defences with through balls and has got a goal him. Massive game Monday I think we can play are big part by making it a great atmosphere. Dyche's side are always defensive it will be tough to break them down. The do have some talented attacking players so the first goal will be important. If we can score early and draw them out it could be another great night for us. Coyw
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- So even if by a miracle he grew into a 40m player transfermarket valued him at 10 m euros before we payed that humungous sum . Oh but we had to pay it because an (entirely coincidentally ) manager in Portugal was expressing an interest . Anyway if we had paid only 10m euros for a winger we didn’t really need we could fill some of the gaps generated by MS vaporising our front line backup . How good would that have been . Was Willian here as a player or as a Brazilian training as an agent ? (NT) -- alanos, Friday, December 19, 08:47:24pm (82-132-233-20.dab.02.net/82.132.233.20)
- Frequency of fixtures will mean most of the squad are carrying some level of injury that will influence head coach decision making. What may appear odd to a spectator, could be a logical move when considering facts. Squad content is lacking midfield creativity and forward line central presence. Both factors need to be addressed or accept lower table position. (NT) -- Eerwah, Friday, December 19, 10:10:30pm (customer.brseaus1.pop.starlinkisp.net/65.181.3.2)
- The Kevin transfer is an absolute bloody mystery. Well, at least at €40 million. He looks clueless and totally out of his depth. He did display some decent skill in the pub league we bought him from, but there are levels to this game which appears to be lost on our recruitment team. Hopefully he'll come good, but there's no sign of a €40 million player from what we've seen so far. Ridiculous waste of money. (NT) -- Samuel, Friday, December 19, 10:57:38pm (NoHost/83.106.75.64)
- Remember Willian .His movement after Chelsea was odd . Signs for Arsenal , dreadful season , goes back to Brazil , breaks that contract to come to us . Great the first year , less the second but why did the Forest owner sign him for his Greek club and then let him go to Fulham in mid -season . He is a would be agent ( unless he is fibbing ) and as a Brazilian and former Donetsk player must be close to many of our players . Was he trying at Arsenal , is Kevin trying now ? (NT) -- alanos, Saturday, December 20, 02:10:20am (82-132-233-20.dab.02.net/82.132.233.20)
- Transfermkt had him down for around 12 million euro when i looked in august (NT) -- Waterboy, Sunday, December 21, 11:52:55am (NoHost/84.69.18.104)
- It is about time that Adama steps up to the plate but we never seem to play to his strengths in that our players seem so reluctant, because I do not believe they are incapable, to either chip balls over the top or put a pass through to him that he is actually able to run onto rather than passing to his feet when he is in a still position. Forest are very strong in central defence but if we can get in behind them I am sure that it will afford us some joy. (NT) -- Mike T, Saturday, December 20, 08:35:56am (host81-153-224-224.range81-153.btcentralplus.com/81.153.224.224)
- Re: Sess out Monday. Anybody else wondering if this is a more serious injury than we are led to believe. (NT) -- Just asking, Saturday, December 20, 08:59:38am (NoHost/88.81.142.82)
- Wet Spam digital tix just arrived. -- FlitwickFulham, Friday, December 19, 05:51:20pm (flit-04-b2-v4wan-169180-cust2921.vm32.cable.virginm.net/81.96.171.106)
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- Fulham women -- woodman, Friday, December 19, 03:10:20pm (NoHost/46.31.84.144)
I understand the Fulham women team offered Harrow Borough a substantial amount a year to share with Harrow Borough, including improvements. HB turned it down as the ‘owner’ wanted more. Surprising given they are in a lot of financial problems. Beano Reader will know more.
Surprised me as assumed they were a fitting at Motspur Park. Has the development across the road even started if there are capacity issues?
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- Harry Roberts -- GTS, Friday, December 19, 12:59:19pm (24.206.100.60.netskope-rdns.com/24.206.100.60)
I see the rather unpleasant Harry Roberts has just died, probably no loss to humanity. I guess he will be mostly be remembered for being featured in one of football's more unsavoury chants.
The last time I heard it was in Bishop's Park when we last played Millwall, about 6 Millwall teenagers were singing it at two Parks Policeman... Seemed even pathetic than usual,I was wondering if anybody involved actually knew who Harry Roberts was.
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- My Uncle was called Harry Roberts (NT) -- Robin Banks, Friday, December 19, 05:38:25pm (NoHost/195.180.35.0)
- Robert’s was ex army and after the Acton police murders hid out in the woods for weeks prior to capture. The politicians had told the public after abolishing hanging that a life sentence would mean life of course they were lying as usual as Robert’s was eventually released despite being involved directly in the murder of 3 police officers (NT) -- Fulham old fart, Saturday, December 20, 09:02:32pm (cpc160099-nmal26-2-0-cust468.19-2.cable.virginm.net/82.18.161.213)
- The atrocity took place just a couple of weeks after our World Cup victory which I attended. In those days gun crime was almost unheard of; the brutal, calculated murder happened near the Scrubs prison. It was indefensible he was ever released, on licence. He settled down initially in Clophill, Beds. (NT) -- garence, Saturday, December 20, 09:56:11pm (82-71-33-251.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk/82.71.33.251)
- Kevin - Apart from chewing gum really fast what does he offer…. -- Should have left him well alone (home alone), Friday, December 19, 10:08:59am (NoHost/94.2.167.198)
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- Andre -- Jonathan Baines, Friday, December 19, 04:45:07am (cust-51.179.192.207.cgn.as5482.net/51.179.192.207)
Loan with option to buy - Traore in opposite direction. Tony get it done for day 1 of the transfer window. It will allow Berger/Lukic to play much further forward, which is a good thing!
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- Think we need cover for Raul. How he continues to play 90mins every week and also travels regularly to Mexico and plays for national side and stays fit is a credit to him. (NT) -- TheYongladisntuptoit, Friday, December 19, 07:10:51am (NoHost/94.2.167.198)
- Think this, and the King swap with Chelsea's George the other day, seem quite plausible to me. Minimum outlay and should leave something in reserve for the striker Marco desperately needs. (NT) -- Straw Clutchers Anonymous, Friday, December 19, 01:19:23pm (NoHost/90.203.120.157)
- If we swap King for George, without a significant sum on top, we're being absolutely done, IMO (NT) -- Same Old Story, Friday, December 19, 01:54:35pm (NoHost/81.79.78.26)
- Probably not going to go down too well here, but I think his lack of physicality and pace is going to hold King back big time, not to mention that he seems to fall short when in scoring positions. And before somebody says he can pick that up as he develops, I think the physicality he may, but the pace and lack of goal scoring, he won't IMO. (NT) -- SCA, Friday, December 19, 02:11:22pm (NoHost/90.203.120.157)
- ...I'd like to back that up with an example of 2 players we have. Robinson v Sessegnon – Robinson couldn't hit a barn door and Sess, given the chances in front of goal will convert most. It's a skill/trait that can't be learnt/taught, again IMO. (NT) -- SCA, Friday, December 19, 02:15:29pm (NoHost/90.203.120.157)
- I'd counter by saying people were saying similar about Phil Foden. In 18/19, at the same age as Josh, he got 6 goal involvements (1 goal). That, as a side point, was less than Sessegnon in the same season. I think if we went down this path it would be an absolutely massive mistake, and we'd be sitting here moaning about us selling a £100m talent for bugger all in 5 years time/ (NT) -- Same Old Story, Friday, December 19, 02:16:26pm (NoHost/81.79.78.26)
- He is not a striker , is 18 and has already scored . This exactly mirrors the campaign to sell Mitro for £20 m odd when the Israeli commissioneers first pitched up from the holy land with the their holey arguments and fake fanboy banter . (NT) -- alanos, Friday, December 19, 04:30:25pm (82-132-233-17.dab.02.net/82.132.233.17)
- West Ham tickets -- MoS, Thursday, December 18, 07:45:16pm (NoHost/94.7.232.26)
Can anyone download their West Ham tickets yet, the links on my confirmation email from the club don’t work?
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- I downloaded them. That worked. They're in my Android wallet. But they look a bit strange. Only the top half of the ticket with the seat details is there. There's no link to show code for example. (NT) -- May, Thursday, December 18, 08:01:09pm (cpc1-walt20-2-0-cust173.13-2.cable.virginm.net/86.16.255.174)
- I had the same problem so spoke to Ticket Office who said that a further email will be sent closer to the date with the scan code on (NT) -- White Eagle, Thursday, December 18, 09:21:09pm (host217-35-243-11.range217-35.btcentralplus.com/217.35.243.11)
- I don't even have a confirmation email from the club with links on - only the confirmation of purchase. (NT) -- Same Old Story, Friday, December 19, 01:59:41pm (NoHost/81.79.78.26)
- I have just received an email with a new link to download the tickets. I have downloaded them. They now appear in my Android wallet with the link to view code. The old tickets are still in the wallet. They are FFC branded. The new tickets are West Ham branded. When I clicked the download today the new tickets open a raw XML file and an offer to open in "play store". For the non- technical-minded - "Yes" open in "play store" is the answer required to get them into your wallet. (NT) -- May, Friday, December 19, 05:35:27pm (188.29.95.80.threembb.co.uk/188.29.95.80)
- Vanity project -- View from the Riverside, Thursday, December 18, 06:33:49pm (static-84-9-58-207.vodafonexdsl.co.uk/84.9.58.207)
I do have to say I am sort of pleased we lost. I don’t think with our current personnel we stood any chance over two legs against the other semi finalists. When you look at the depth of Newcastle and their attacking bench, you see the gulf in class. You also see our players are exhausted as there can be no rotation - Raul is cooked. Which leads me to think would I rather have another striker or a pool on the roof of the stand? Another centre midfielder or another private members club that closes on match days? Another full back or a 12 bedroom hotel . The Riverside has become a vanity project of sorts for the Khans but most of all it is a drain on resource. We don’t need all the bells and whistles, we need cash spent on players. Right now we are riding our luck in the PL and getting away with it a little. Just hope Nigeria get knocked out early because if we take 1-2 injuries we are in real trouble
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- "Pleased we lost"...Jeez. Thought this was a message board for Fulham fans (NT) -- We don't deserve a Premier League team, Thursday, December 18, 06:54:58pm (NoHost/90.204.91.94)
- Pointless post as expenditure on stand has absolutely no impact on what is allowed or can be spent on players. (NT) -- Birdman, Thursday, December 18, 06:55:56pm (NoHost/88.81.142.82)
- Late entry, but I think you may have won the entry for unintentionally ironic post of 2026, unless it’s WUM of course, in which case I’ve been caught hook line and sinker. (NT) -- Henry1879, Friday, December 19, 07:55:04am (82-132-223-46.dab.02.net/82.132.223.46)
- "When you look at the depth of Newcastle and their attacking bench, you see the gulf in class." Key word there is "gulf". Or should I say "Gulf". (NT) -- eganonoa, Friday, December 19, 11:38:28am (NoHost/195.222.49.31)
- dstm: swap deal agreed -- sfg, Thursday, December 18, 06:11:06pm (ns5019346.ip-15-235-118.net/15.235.118.222)
fulham and chelsea will swap Josh and Tyreek
both valued at £40M on january 1st
A sneaky slight overvaulation of players to get extra wiggleroom in both Clubs PSR position.
DSTM
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- Josh -- Al, Thursday, December 18, 04:40:50pm (cust-141.195.146.96.customers.as5482.net/141.195.146.96)
I'm very confused. He started so well, got involved and was usually one of the stars of the team. Now each time he comes on he seems to have regressed. His control, speed of thought was superb, seems to have lost it. Hope he doesnt end up as Patrick Roberts 2 or for our elder contributors, Bobby Moss Mk2
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- He's 18 and new to the League. He's still learning and opponents are learning about him. That's how it goes. New player plays and does well, opponents adjust, player needs to adjust to that adjustment, and on and on. (NT) -- eganonoa, Thursday, December 18, 04:47:00pm (cable-146-255-156-96.dynamic.telemach.ba/146.255.156.96)
- I agree. An impact sub he doesn't appear to be. He was excellent when he was starting for the first 10ish games. Perhaps that was what sparked ESR's upturn in form! Competition for places is so important. Shame we don't have that for a No 9 shirt... (NT) -- Fkev, Thursday, December 18, 05:07:25pm (88.56.159.143.dyn.plus.net/143.159.56.88)
- It's a common theme though, we seem to coach the flare and spontaneity out of them as we have a very controlling manager seems to have a rigid system in place. (NT) -- Cutler 22, Thursday, December 18, 05:21:14pm (customer.sfiabgr1.pop.starlinkisp.net/145.224.119.116)
- Bobby Moss……please…one magic moment against Everton in 1967…..get a grip! (NT) -- Comfessor, Thursday, December 18, 08:09:07pm (host31-49-44-238.range31-49.btcentralplus.com/31.49.44.238)
- Forest trip to St James Park -- Slimtim, Thursday, December 18, 04:32:02pm (92.40.200.83.threembb.co.uk/92.40.200.83)
Great stadium. Poor home fans. Only sang right at the end of the game. Keeper did ok. Back four were average. Lukic is a liability. Berger didn't know he was on the pitch. Wilson good but got tired and should have been hooked for Diop towards the end to ensure a draw. Kevin was poor again, his flair has been knocked out of him or he's not good enough. ESR did ok but was knackered so needed to come off. Will he ever play 90 mins for us?!! Raul did great with his leaping , but his 34!!!! And is not tall enough to win the ball on his chest and retain the ball. Kusadasi should have come on earlier for Raul. We cannot retain the ball enough and wh n you give it away as much as we do we get punished. Adama just walked off the pitch at the end of the game, didn't come over and clap us fans as far as I could see. Get him off to Wolves asap when Chucky is back or we get a replacement on January. He is embarrassing. Was the sort of game for TC to get his foot on the ball and retain possession for a bit. Josh is far too lightweight and needs to bulk the F up in the summer. Reid always gives 100% but our squad is not of high enough quality. Fact. Same old Fulham letting in late goals. Such a shame the result.
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- The following ( to name but a few ) we would ‘kill for’ …. -- Mickey, Thursday, December 18, 03:37:07pm (82-132-231-88.dab.02.net/82.132.231.88)
Mateta/Wharton/Munoz (Palace )….. Murillo/ MGW /Douglas Luiz / McAtee , Sangare/ Hutchinson /Jesus ( Forest )…… Semenyo , Kluivert , Evanilson ( Bournemouth). Not all recent signings but an indication of good recruitment and forward planning . Yes Glasner is unhappy they haven’t been fully equipped for add European Committments , but can you imagine how he would kick off with our methods ? All these so called ‘journeymen’ to whom
some have referred and who we’ve brought in have had their careers resurrected by Silva ; but there is only so much any Coach can do . An overworked 34 year old as our only PL Capable striker of 2 is bordering on negligence by those responsible . Meanwhile as recent as last night , Silva is still bemoaning what we failed to do in June and July . He can’t let it go , so why should we ?
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- Oh and I forgot one of the current best CMs in Anderson (NT) -- Mickey, Thursday, December 18, 03:39:00pm (82-132-231-88.dab.02.net/82.132.231.88)
- Because you bore the arse of people. (NT) -- HemelRog, Thursday, December 18, 04:09:28pm (NoHost/31.94.36.117)
- His deals ( Kevin 40m, would be deal for Andre 32m - how are wolves doing ) are terrible . Pereira out 10m . So where do you get the idea he should have any control of transfers ? . (NT) -- alanos, Thursday, December 18, 09:56:05pm (82-132-233-17.dab.02.net/82.132.233.17)
- So why does he not play the loanee striker in a cup game ? Does he want jiminez to break down ? (NT) -- alanos, Thursday, December 18, 09:59:29pm (82-132-233-17.dab.02.net/82.132.233.17)
- Berge -- Ra's al Ghul, Thursday, December 18, 01:30:17pm (NoHost/212.132.246.99)
As a ball playing midfielder Berge is a decent enough footballer and does a lot of good things that go unnoticed. But as a goal scoring threat, or as a defender, of set pieces, he is an absolute jellyfish. At 6ft 5in or whatever he is, he should be dominating both boxes. A shame really as if he had that extra aggression he would be a very good player
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- If he was a threat in either box he would be playing for a top european team. Sadly his attitude costs us but is also the only reason he plays for us (NT) -- Ibizaaaaaaa, Thursday, December 18, 01:38:26pm (NoHost/161.12.62.42)
- This has always been his criticism, remember shef utd fans saying same, for his size he’s got brilliant feet and sound technique, but has never quite utilised his physical attributes properly. To be fair if he did he’d be Patrick vieira and worth 100m+. I’ve always thought he’s at least worth a go further forward, I’ve never got why silva always plays lukic further forward and berge as the deepest mid as to me Berge is a better footballer and technician in the more attacking areas. (NT) -- Henry1879, Thursday, December 18, 01:41:01pm (cpc113812-lea23-2-0-cust213.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.26.216.214)
- Another example of poor recruitment. Not meaning to be harsh, because he puts in a decent performance every game. But at this level, you need more in that position to progress the league. He's effectively another journeyman and will move on from Fulham soon enough. (NT) -- Samuel, Thursday, December 18, 02:06:35pm (NoHost/83.106.75.64)
- Wow. I'm as upset as anyone about last night's defeat, but this is really a harsh thread. Take him out of the team and see how much we'd miss him! His touch and ability to hold the ball under pressure is fantastic. Very disciplined, key part of the team being able to hold its defensive shape, particularly against the stronger teams. Rarely gets injured/suspended, so never really tried in different roles that would really demonstrate his versatility. Almost a victim of his own consistency.... (NT) -- k, Thursday, December 18, 02:29:10pm (NoHost/109.144.214.180)
- We have 4 cms with 1 league goal between them all season. Also added to that only cairney of those 4 scored at all last year over 38 games (NT) -- Waterboy, Thursday, December 18, 07:43:03pm (NoHost/84.69.18.104)
- We have lost 43.5 points in the last season in abit from conceding after taking the lead or conceding in last 20 mins. Mentality of squad is weak -- PSR SCR FFP, Thursday, December 18, 12:28:49pm (NoHost/89.19.67.203)
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- We're physically weak too, or at least lightweight as a team. You need power in a team, particularly in the spine, and we have very little of it. We're an industrious side with 3 or 4 half decent technicians, but the overall standard is below par, boardering on journeymen. And our striking options are absolute pony. Raul will be gone in the summer and we need to sell Muniz to raise investment for a proper forward next season. (NT) -- Samuel, Thursday, December 18, 01:09:57pm (NoHost/83.106.75.64)
- No, we don't need to sell Muniz to buy. That would be ridiculous because we'd only have 1 striker. There is a 30% leeway in the first 2 years of the shift to SCR which means we have a reasonable budget in January. (NT) -- Same Old Story, Thursday, December 18, 01:36:12pm (NoHost/84.66.55.127)
- But, do you trust our scouting and Silva???? (NT) -- PSR SCR FFP, Thursday, December 18, 01:43:16pm (NoHost/89.19.67.203)
- I'm certainly not suggesting that we place all our eggs in one basket and focus on one striker, only that we concentrate on raising investment for that marquee signing and of course have another option on the bench to deputise. Raul is on big money but isn't delivering goals and Muniz has had a very brief purple patch in 5 years. We should have cashed in on Muniz last summer. That type of offer will never present itself again. (NT) -- Samuel, Thursday, December 18, 01:47:04pm (NoHost/83.106.75.64)
- Straight swap Muniz for Brennan Johnson. In a heartbeat. As of now Muniz is a fraction of his previous value. So we have to get the best out of him for some years to come. (NT) -- CB, Thursday, December 18, 02:33:36pm (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
- Why would we sign a first choice and a back up when we already have Muniz? Literally makes no sense. If you think he's so worthless, he's not going to bring in enough money for it to be worth selling him. We need to keep Muniz, and bring in another senior striker, and we have the money to do so. Its really simple. (NT) -- Same Old Story, Thursday, December 18, 03:27:32pm (NoHost/90.242.35.70)
- I appreciate it seems confusing, but from my perspective I don't think Muniz, when fit, will contently play second fiddle to a new signing, particularly after the club appeared to bend over backwards to accommodate his demands over a new contract, presumably on Silva's request. I don't personally rate Muniz all that highly but there's always a club somewhere who will think they can unlock his illusive talent at the right price. We'll just have to wait and see how it plays out. (NT) -- Samuel, Thursday, December 18, 05:07:59pm (NoHost/83.106.75.64)
- Its not confusing, its just illogical. If we got what you're suggesting - £20-£30m - who on earth would we replace for that money - especially as we already need a striker? Its not about what Muniz is worth on the market, its about what he's worth to us. At the moment, its a lot, because we're short in that position, and he has no amortisation to burn through. Any new player would incur costs upon signing, would probably want more wages than Muniz, + drop in a load of amortisation. . (NT) -- Same Old Story, Friday, December 19, 02:12:09pm (NoHost/81.79.78.26)
- A painful 12 hours of sport! -- Neil G, Thursday, December 18, 10:23:44am (NoHost/62.64.164.110)
I'm not sure which was more depressingly inevitable: Fulham or the cricket?
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- Newcastle game -- Henry1879, Thursday, December 18, 08:21:43am (82-132-222-252.dab.02.net/82.132.222.252)
Whilst I really wanted to win pre game, it’s only with hindsight post game that im not as bothered that we lost, purely as I give us such a slim chance against city, (probably) Arsenal or Chelsea over 2 legs. One off game yeh we are in it, but with our players at AFCON and the strength in depth of those teams we had such a low % chance. That to me was the obvious difference, tonali came on and took over the game, whereas we got unlucky with lukic injury and just don’t have depth of quality. I said at the time, I’d rather cairney came on, we lost any ability to keep the ball and get up the pitch when reed came on, think Reed was the safer option. We were getting deeper and deeper, actually defended very well, tbey didn’t create much, but it was isolating a tiring Raul so much even if the ball did stick with him or he won a free kick we just gave it back, we lacked bravery with the ball.
Thought Raul largely did well, tried everything as he always does, just got such little support, I get why he was kept on being such a gun pen taker. Thought Wilson looked bit jaded, didn’t get involved much and ESR similar. Kevin clearly has lost his confidence, he almost wanted to go off, he was wandering towards the sideline. He’s got a lot of talent, as seen in training, started off brightly for us, he is clearly capable and the stick of his price tag will always be used against him like ESR. But he’s young, new country, new language, new everything, it will take some time to get consistent, he was poor last night, but worked hard, this is where a good manager earns his £££, get him playing to his ability, there’s a player in there. Also think King is dipping a bit too, lost a bit of confidence and made no impact and hasn’t done for a few games. These are the risks with younger less proven players, they’ll have ups and downs, but with the dips can come potential high upside, need to be patient with them long term.
Thought back 4 were largely very good, Robbo returning to the strong, fast, great 1v1 player we know and I’m amazed Cuenca has this ability to play a game after not playing for ages and look like he’s played all season. I do think we missed basseys drive at times though, he is aggressive and wins the ball back on front foot, but we just continued to drop deeper. Also think GK did ok after a shaky start, decent with ball at his feet and although a bit small and vulnerable at crosses he did ok and made 1 top save that I’m not convinced Leno would have.
I hope silva starts using the young CF more, Raul can’t play 90 every 4/5 days, just hope the game hasn’t taken too much out of us and the lukic injury isn’t major. As much as I criticised him early season he looked good last night, hope the sub was as a precaution. Forest will be tough, they’ve got a lot of depth, but they’re down there for a reason, we have been largely good at home, let’s hope our medical team don’t have too much to deal with on the players that started last night.
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- Agree with every word. Refreshing to read among all the dross on here. (NT) -- JF, Thursday, December 18, 08:41:29am (brnt-06-b2-v4wan-169764-cust3300.vm7.cable.virginm.net/81.101.124.229)
- Re: Newcastle game (NT) -- Josh not at ease with physicality in recent games, Thursday, December 18, 08:55:07am (host-92-24-210-86.as13285.net/92.24.210.86)
- Left side of our defense is absurd. Robinson, Cuenca, Bassey, Sess. That would be a top quality defense right there if two of them were right-footed. Would that we had that level of depth in midfield! (NT) -- eganonoa, Thursday, December 18, 08:59:11am (NoHost/172.59.185.80)
- Interesting to know haw many would take a Newcastle win over Forest defeat today? (NT) -- CB, Thursday, December 18, 09:32:56am (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
- Said from the start Kevin looks one for next season, question is could the money have been spent better on a striker to get us a more mobile option up there (NT) -- Waterboy, Thursday, December 18, 09:46:17am (NoHost/84.69.18.104)
- Re: Newcastle game: Very good post agree entirely, with the Afcon players out and Sess injured it was always going to be difficult. I also thought Cairney should have come on rather than Reed who was pretty anonymous. (NT) -- Alboy, Thursday, December 18, 09:56:41am (host109-150-14-226.range109-150.btcentralplus.com/109.150.14.226)
- I think the big difference 1st half v second was that there was no Lukic. He was excellent in breaking up their flow all 1st half, nibbling away, slowing them down. Reed didn't get close in the 2nd half. Same thing happened there in the league game, Lukic went off and we were under the cosh. Not a bad performance but Raul needs a rest and Kev needs some minutes. (NT) -- Jim© The Devon IP, Thursday, December 18, 10:00:23am (62-64-192-58.virtual1.co.uk/62.64.192.58)
- Re: Newcastle game (NT) -- Relief didn’t want City 3 times in a month, Thursday, December 18, 10:51:30am (host-92-24-210-86.as13285.net/92.24.210.86)
- We were much better than them for the first 30 mins but the longer the game went the more simple mistakes we made. As we conceded a headed goal late in the Palace game, Diop should, perhaps, have been introduced with 10 minutes left to give us some height advantage as well as another experienced defender. However our play for the last 20 minutes reminded me too much of our Europa League final where we seemed happy to let the game drift to penaties but the opposition actually wanted to win it. (NT) -- Mike T, Thursday, December 18, 11:12:35am (host81-153-224-224.range81-153.btcentralplus.com/81.153.224.224)
- Slow snails pace football sitting deep all game you reap what you sow . If we are playing that way over Christmas we are doomed we need to play on the front foot and pass the ball through the lines . Kevin is league 1 standard we have had our pants pulled down 40 million Mudryk vibes (NT) -- Button, Thursday, December 18, 02:36:21pm (nmal-23-b2-v4wan-169190-cust1261.vm24.cable.virginm.net/80.5.116.238)
- Losers -- Eerwah, Thursday, December 18, 05:02:45am (customer.brseaus1.pop.starlinkisp.net/206.83.123.90)
Late defeat at barcodes is not a reason for anyone to commit Hari Kari. A big ask before kick off ended much as expected. With a dominant No9 could have pulled it off and certainly progressed to the semi final if we had similar to Jean Tigana's John Collins captain brains on the pitch for insisting on mainiaining concentration. Had Lacomte stayed on his line like he should have, penalties will have decided.
If my grandmother had grown wheels she would have been a Ferrari but we are certainly approaching a transfer window, have a committed custodian and head coach with attitude. Maybe somehow one day we will lift significant silver.
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- Kevin -- Kimberly-Clark, Thursday, December 18, 02:07:57am (host-92-24-210-86.as13285.net/92.24.210.86)
Give the Boy a chance the reaction on him is a disgrace there is certainly a player in there, has shown in one or two of he’s Cameo performances. While Sam is away give him a run games hopefully a improvement will follow..
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- There's talent there but he's all at sea. Trying too hard perhaps, overthinking but above all not fitting into the needed pattern of play. I sense that he needs more help than he's being given. Or can't play the way he's being asked. I'd play a fit Sess in his place. (NT) -- The Man With No Name, Thursday, December 18, 08:23:33am (host81-141-119-135.range81-141.btcentralplus.com/81.141.119.135)
- It’s confidence, he was up against a CM playing RB, he should have been licking his lips and wanting to take him on whenever he got the ball, but he kept passing it, shying away from taking risk and taking easy option, clear sign of player lacking in confidence. Can happen with young players, but he kept working hard and we’ve seen glimpses of obvious talent and excellent reports from training. (NT) -- Henry1879, Thursday, December 18, 09:28:11am (82-132-222-252.dab.02.net/82.132.222.252)
- I agree, we simply can’t afford performances like that in our upcoming league fixtures. At present best used as an impact sub until his confidence- if that is the issue - improves. After all it worked with ESR. (NT) -- Bexhill Beast, Thursday, December 18, 09:38:40am (host86-141-94-242.range86-141.btcentralplus.com/86.141.94.242)
- May as well give him a chance, as there aren't many others to slot in there! One thing I noticed was his lack of understanding with ESR. A couple of times they could have played the other one in, but chose not to. Seems like they have zero understanding of each other... (NT) -- Fkev, Thursday, December 18, 08:25:35am (88.56.159.143.dyn.plus.net/143.159.56.88)
- Re: Kevin (NT) -- Play more with more ESR get a understanding, Thursday, December 18, 08:45:49am (host-92-24-210-86.as13285.net/92.24.210.86)
- 100% (NT) -- Ra's al Ghul, Thursday, December 18, 11:47:10am (NoHost/212.132.246.99)
- Certain Rodrigo Muniz comes to mind here. Yes he was cheaper but took him a while to get going. (NT) -- Jari's Mullet, Thursday, December 18, 12:02:17pm (NoHost/165.225.92.127)
- Rabbit in the headlights just goes th show how poor the Russian league is not worth £500,000 we have been duped he has no physicality runs down blind alleys and everything he does is wrong needs to go on loan to the championship (NT) -- Button, Thursday, December 18, 02:42:19pm (nmal-23-b2-v4wan-169190-cust1261.vm24.cable.virginm.net/80.5.116.238)
- Blame Silva all you like -- Mickey, Wednesday, December 17, 11:20:44pm (host86-191-248-108.range86-191.btcentralplus.com/86.191.248.108)
and certainly his substitutions tonight again were disappointing . But My God , when you look at the Squad-even with the AFCON Boys-it is pitiful for a
Any Manager with Ambition . The fact we still have Championship ‘Legends ‘ still with us out of sentiment , plus the likes of Traore still being called upon only to have less than Zero impact , and I defy any of the so called ‘Better’ Coaches to get more of a tune from this Group. Weak , clueless, absent and deluded Leadership with not an ounce of passion being regularly reassured by their Yes Men that everything is just GREAT!
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- from Jack Kelly : Silva on losing key players to AFCON : ‘We should have prepared in a different way last June and July : we didn’t !’ (NT) -- Mickey, Wednesday, December 17, 11:31:43pm (host86-191-248-108.range86-191.btcentralplus.com/86.191.248.108)
- The squad is desperately low in quality and power. The midfield is lightweight and the strikers are toothless. There will be a few high earners out of contract in the summer which is good, but we also need to offload Muniz, Lukic, Reed, Diop and even Bassey if a good offer was made. The team needs a major rebuild. (NT) -- Samuel, Thursday, December 18, 12:00:09am (NoHost/83.106.75.64)
- You say all that but when we have Muniz, Sess, Iwobi, Chuk, Bassey back our subs bench looks the best it's ever been. (NT) -- Mr Kurkuruza, Thursday, December 18, 08:43:37am (217-155-46-35.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk/217.155.46.35)
- Kevin -- Ronbo (Amazed), Wednesday, December 17, 11:19:28pm (cpc82881-enfi22-2-0-cust106.20-2.cable.virginm.net/77.99.225.107)
Kevin hooked again?
No game till Monday night, so can’t be saving him for that game surly.
He’s only played about 45 mins in the 4 previous games before this.
Something is not right..
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- it was over when Harry Reed came on them pitch...... -- kevin, Wednesday, December 17, 11:02:05pm (ns31365890.ip-135-125-97.eu/135.125.97.56)
don't blame Marco
he hasnt got any good players
he is forced into playing REED when he has ENGLANDS u18 CAPTAIN AND CM .descibed by some. As next POOR SCHOLES.!!
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- I’m gutted by the result and performance - it was a long and expensive trip - but them’s the breaks; it happens; I thought Reed was alright when he came on - spectacular, no, but that wasn’t his role; competent and hard-working, yes; he’s obviously not the future of FFC, but he did alright amidst a below par team performance (NT) -- Looking forward, Thursday, December 18, 12:46:27am (NoHost/104.28.86.85)
- Reed did fine. He was not the reason we lost. (NT) -- RR, Thursday, December 18, 06:00:24am (NoHost/104.220.143.92)
- Step Over -- Should we be discussing Kevin by now?, Wednesday, December 17, 11:00:41pm (host81-135-29-26.range81-135.btcentralplus.com/81.135.29.26)
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- A Blessing -- Kimberly-Clark, Wednesday, December 17, 11:00:18pm (host-92-24-210-86.as13285.net/92.24.210.86)
We didn’t get through our fixture list would’ve been horrendous.
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- Couldn't bear it -- Thofokoz, Wednesday, December 17, 10:57:39pm (82-132-235-35.dab.02.net/82.132.235.35)
Oh well
Would have been extending record consecutive defeats number 21 or 22 anyway
F*ck you fulham
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- On the other hand -- Don’t sign that contract, Wednesday, December 17, 10:52:13pm (NoHost/90.240.118.37)
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- Didnt expect to win, gutless but thought Cuenca played well -- Al, Wednesday, December 17, 10:28:53pm (cust-141.195.146.96.customers.as5482.net/141.195.146.96)
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- Cuenca did play well, looked good with Anderson. Newcastle poor, but we were not a treat going forward. (NT) -- John, Wednesday, December 17, 10:34:37pm (82-132-244-247.dab.02.net/82.132.244.247)
- But we had enough quality in the team to do it. Before we allowed them to dominate. (NT) -- CB, Wednesday, December 17, 10:35:34pm (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
- We don't pass the ball quick enough and lack power in going forward. We're generally too lightweight, and toothless up front. (NT) -- Samuel, Wednesday, December 17, 10:47:16pm (NoHost/83.106.75.64)
- Just shit at defending near post corners. Zonal, standing jumps, going to lose out every time (NT) -- Ra's al Ghul, Wednesday, December 17, 10:48:26pm (NoHost/212.132.246.99)
- Beautiful ball through to ESR who turned well but lame shot (NT) -- Superfly, Wednesday, December 17, 11:07:40pm (NoHost/62.49.114.89)
- Good chances to score in first half not taken. Well done to all those who went to the game. (NT) -- Halfmooner, Thursday, December 18, 01:38:55am (NoHost/94.3.243.180)
- Sasha's goal proved that if he times his runs into the box he could become a really useful No. 8 but I am not sure what has happened to Josh but the last few games he has been brushed off the ball far too easily and that was not happening a month, or so, ago! (NT) -- Mike T, Thursday, December 18, 11:21:24am (host81-153-224-224.range81-153.btcentralplus.com/81.153.224.224)
- Silva got tactics wrong.... -- k, Wednesday, December 17, 10:22:02pm (NoHost/90.204.91.94)
Playing for a draw with 25 mins to go...
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- Second best -- Going, Wednesday, December 17, 10:17:37pm (host86-150-245-114.range86-150.btcentralplus.com/86.150.245.114)
The injuries and the small squad came home to roost. We were physically weaker than them, could not hold the ball let alone pass to a team mate. Just surprised it took Newcastle so long to score.
Newcastle’s bench compared to ours illustrates how tough it is for Silva. Our forward options King and Ansare who have yet to score and Traore our headless chicken,
Respect to the fans who travelled.
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- Re: Second best: It was worth watching, as you say can't tackle, can't pass, can't keep the ball. Why not have a go it was a cup game? (NT) -- Alboy, Wednesday, December 17, 10:20:31pm (host109-150-14-226.range109-150.btcentralplus.com/109.150.14.226)
- Second half we constantly won the ball and gave it straight back to Newcastle.Why Jimenez was not subbed after about 60 minutes I will.never know.At this rate he Wii be run into the ground.All in all an abject performance which showed up a lack of strength in our squad. (NT) -- Depressed, Wednesday, December 17, 10:28:47pm (host-78-149-190-10.as13285.net/78.149.190.10)
- They are in the Champions league . Champions league terms have better back up . Silva made sure we have little back up in forward positions . He refuses to properly utilise the 18 year old striker when this could have been perfect game for him . Not because he was worried he would be poor but because he was worried he’d be good . (NT) -- alanos, Wednesday, December 17, 10:37:29pm (82-132-234-183.dab.02.net/82.132.234.183)
- But our goalscoring is not too much of an issue at the moment where our 23 in the Premier League is the 10th best and if you add in Josh's at the Bridge we are only one off 6th place. However, our 26 goals conceded puts us 14th. (NT) -- Mike T, Thursday, December 18, 12:21:26pm (host81-153-224-224.range81-153.btcentralplus.com/81.153.224.224)
- Ahem… -- Jari’s Mullet, Wednesday, December 17, 10:16:52pm (55.pool90-167-86.dynamic.orange.es/90.167.86.55)
Before going radio rental may I suggest that you compare their substitutions to ours. Losing key players to Afcon shows how thin our squad is.
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- They are in Europe . Why not bring on Kusi-azare on 60 mins or , better still, give Jiminez a rest and start him . Why sell Pereira to Brazil for peanuts (10m euros ) (NT) -- alanos, Wednesday, December 17, 10:21:57pm (82-132-234-183.dab.02.net/82.132.234.183)
- Agree not playing Kusi-Asare is baffling (NT) -- Jari’s Mullet, Wednesday, December 17, 10:23:56pm (55.pool90-167-86.dynamic.orange.es/90.167.86.55)
- Re: Ahem… (NT) -- Sammy was the big miss., Wednesday, December 17, 10:29:16pm (host-92-24-210-86.as13285.net/92.24.210.86)
- Afcon is always in the diary so everyone knows when it is, if you dont want disruption dont rely on so many african players (NT) -- Waterboy, Thursday, December 18, 09:49:35am (NoHost/84.69.18.104)
- Decent effort in a tough venue. -- View from the Riverside, Wednesday, December 17, 10:13:15pm (static-84-9-58-207.vodafonexdsl.co.uk/84.9.58.207)
Not that disappointed judging by who else is in the hat for the semis. We lost three key players but why oh why are we so crap at set pieces? Answers on a postcard
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- SORRY FOR SWEARING, LOSERS AGAIN -- Martin Jolly, Wednesday, December 17, 10:11:14pm (NoHost/148.252.141.3)
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- Silva -- Bob the Slob, Wednesday, December 17, 10:10:51pm (host109-148-99-204.range109-148.btcentralplus.com/109.148.99.204)
Silva is the new Scott Parker, boring sidewards crap.
Not trying to win guaranteed a loss
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- Got what we deserved…….nothing -- Ffc, Wednesday, December 17, 10:10:50pm (97e1e3d2.skybroadband.com/151.225.227.210)
Total lack of intent in the second half….. Raul can’t run but stays on the pitch again.
Kevin hopeless
Adama slightly worse than the above
Just can’t take the pressure in added on time again
Mentally weak……tactically weak
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- Got what we deserved F All - no strength in hold up play and give the ball away constantly - rubbish and negative -- Fulham Russ, Wednesday, December 17, 10:09:55pm (enfi-21-b2-v4wan-169794-cust2565.vm1.cable.virginm.net/92.239.26.6)
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- Why no Kusi -Asare ? -- alanos, Wednesday, December 17, 09:54:31pm (82-132-234-183.dab.02.net/82.132.234.183)
Marco scared he might scored
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- Thank you -- Tala, Wednesday, December 17, 09:53:09pm (NoHost/104.28.42.21)
FFC fans who have gone to crazy lengths to get to Newcastle tonight. We don’t recognise this enough.
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- Concerned about Marco and game plan tactics. Seems not to adapting. We can win this!! -- CB, Wednesday, December 17, 09:42:28pm (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
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- We need to make some subs. We were greta for 20 mins but have been pretty dire since. -- Hg, Wednesday, December 17, 09:32:38pm (brnt-04-b2-v4wan-174694-cust37.vm7.cable.virginm.net/82.6.160.38)
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- Seems to be going pear shaped . Definitely a potential win here. We’ve lost shape for now (NT) -- CB, Wednesday, December 17, 09:37:30pm (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
- The young striker should come on and (NT) -- alanos, Wednesday, December 17, 09:37:43pm (82-132-234-183.dab.02.net/82.132.234.183)
- The pressure that we put ourselves under by losing every single one on one physical battle is too much over 90 minutes. If you are too weak physically then you can’t hold on. And we can’t. As usual. (NT) -- Dutch, Wednesday, December 17, 10:06:39pm (host86-151-54-86.range86-151.btcentralplus.com/86.151.54.86)
- We seemed to miss Lukic second half - he was everywhere in the first half and scored a cracker! A couple of times he made a great run into the box too and wasn't given the ball (NT) -- Fkev, Thursday, December 18, 08:15:54am (88.56.159.143.dyn.plus.net/143.159.56.88)
- What the hell was that 😭 -- Thofokoz, Wednesday, December 17, 09:08:10pm (82-132-235-35.dab.02.net/82.132.235.35)
OMG....Kevin....
Jesus, never one for exaggerating but ... My word...this could make the Steve Marlet deal look like signing of the decade...
I counted 10 involvements, 10 negative...missed a good chance, mucked up a ball clean through. Gave the ball away 6 times, got on the wrong side of the ball twice...didn't track back twice...
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- Let’s talk about Kevin -- Ffc, Wednesday, December 17, 09:01:18pm (97e1e3d2.skybroadband.com/151.225.227.210)
He’s just not very good is he ….
Can’t seem to finish his chances
Can’t seem to pass the ball
Can’t seem to track back and make a difference
Think we’ve been done big time
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- Re: Let’s talk about Kevin (NT) -- I think he will come good., Wednesday, December 17, 09:04:12pm (host-92-24-210-86.as13285.net/92.24.210.86)
- But what’s happened since his excellent cameo against Leeds? (NT) -- Bexhill Beast, Wednesday, December 17, 09:06:37pm (host86-141-94-242.range86-141.btcentralplus.com/86.141.94.242)
- Looks devoid of confidence, needs something to fall for him. There's flair and skill in there, I wouldn't write him off yet (NT) -- JamieR, Wednesday, December 17, 09:06:49pm (232.173.6.51.dyn.plus.net/51.6.173.232)
- We are looking good. Going for it. Lecomte needs to make amends . But losing it in midfield -- CB, Wednesday, December 17, 08:41:14pm (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
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- Keeper -- Samuel, Wednesday, December 17, 08:30:10pm (NoHost/83.106.75.64)
We need a new one.
What is it with our keepers and schoolboy errors.
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- Robinson and the Keeper poor for the goal. Lecomte could have keft it. (NT) -- GA, Wednesday, December 17, 08:32:36pm (ool-18b90125.dyn.optonline.net/24.185.1.37)
- BBC commentator ‘what has Kevin been doing the last 10 mins !’ (NT) -- alanos, Wednesday, December 17, 09:01:55pm (82-132-234-183.dab.02.net/82.132.234.183)
- Sammy Samuel wants a new one of everything . So he can say ‘ let’s sell Muniz . He hasn’t scored in weeks .’ We could have never simply not spent the 40m on Kevin . We could have kept Pereira and possibly sold him for 20m this window instead of £8m in the summer . Then we would have , if necessary an extra £50m to spend if necessary . And no need sell . (NT) -- alanos, Wednesday, December 17, 09:10:23pm (82-132-234-183.dab.02.net/82.132.234.183)
- Leno -- Ffc, Wednesday, December 17, 08:29:12pm (97e1e3d2.skybroadband.com/151.225.227.210)
People on here slagging him off …..let’s hope he’s never injured
Cause we have no back up
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- Jamie Redknapp -- A fan, Wednesday, December 17, 07:40:06pm (NoHost/2.120.194.0)
Is it just me or is Harry’s son one smug, boring prat.
Always comes across belittling of the ‘smaller’ clubs and up the bigs ones arses.
He was 100% in on the keys grey downfall too
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- LECOMTE in goal tonight, but rest of team pretty strong! -- G, Wednesday, December 17, 07:03:03pm (NoHost/90.204.91.94)
Lecomte, Tete, Anderson, Cuenca, Robinson, Berge, Lukic, Wilson, Smith Rowe, Kevin, Raul.
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- Good! And young Seth on the Bench (NT) -- GA, Wednesday, December 17, 07:04:31pm (ool-18b90125.dyn.optonline.net/24.185.1.37)
- That's about as good as it gets now with the African cup absences. That team but with Leno will probably start against Forest. (NT) -- Samuel, Wednesday, December 17, 07:10:47pm (NoHost/83.106.75.64)
- Re: LECOMTE in goal tonight, but rest of team pretty strong! (NT) -- Hope Moise Kean rumour has some truth, Wednesday, December 17, 07:58:29pm (host-92-24-210-86.as13285.net/92.24.210.86)
- Lecomte well pleased to see him in high profile. Good luck pal.Pleased to see Robbo get those needed minutes. (NT) -- CB Usual Gordy love in. Tedious, Wednesday, December 17, 08:07:01pm (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
- Most Important question for the day. -- bs, Wednesday, December 17, 03:38:24pm (NoHost/94.119.32.4)
Away pub?
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- Question -- Kimberly- Clark, Wednesday, December 17, 03:29:52pm (host-92-24-210-86.as13285.net/92.24.210.86)
Would you rather Beat Forest and lose to Newcastle? or the other way Round?.Obviously would prefer Victory in both games. But is food for thought.
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- Beat Forest all the way ! Unless you think we can conquer any of the other 1/4 finalists -other than Brentford ( and possibly Palace?)- over 2 legs ? (NT) -- Mickey, Wednesday, December 17, 03:44:52pm (host86-191-248-108.range86-191.btcentralplus.com/86.191.248.108)
- Although it's totally hypothetical, I hate to choose, but I value prem survival over a quarter final. And we need all the easy points going in the next 6 weeks. I know it's whimsical, this obsession with a trophy. But please, even a win tonight, and who's next? Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal. (NT) -- CB, Wednesday, December 17, 04:11:59pm (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
- Great question. I'm going to say beat Newcastle. Another two-legged semi-final would be a great occasion in itself and would possibly mean a Wembley final. A point against Forest is not the end of the world... (NT) -- p, Wednesday, December 17, 04:13:41pm (NoHost/90.204.91.94)
- I’m someone who normally prioritises league over cup, but think our chances of relegation are now sufficiently reduced to respond to your hypothetical question by opting to win tonight and lose Saturday. My answer might be different were the hammers our opponent Saturday. (NT) -- Bexhill Beast, Wednesday, December 17, 04:35:15pm (host86-141-94-242.range86-141.btcentralplus.com/86.141.94.242)
- Imagine Palace fans before playing us in the cup last season saying, 'agh there's no point beating Fulham in the cup quarter final because we will only have to beat top 4 clubs to win the trophy'. (NT) -- Mr Kurkuruza, Wednesday, December 17, 06:20:41pm (217-155-46-35.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk/217.155.46.35)
- Win tonight, no question whatsoever (NT) -- Kenny, Wednesday, December 17, 06:48:44pm (NoHost/193.203.14.221)
- dog track related -- confusded . com, Wednesday, December 17, 12:45:53pm (ns3232030.ip-37-59-18.eu/37.59.18.214)
sorry dont get it...
but why does Roman Abramovich need to pay anything when they (the UK Gov) stole CFC from him?
they want 2.5Bn .. but shouldn't Clearlake bee paying him for buying A Football team from him>>
just saying'
the UK / USA want us all to beelive they are ALL RIGHTOUS. and Rus and China ARE evil . when WE (the uk and USA) do they same things like steal properites like STEEL WORKS and heavy OIL whenever it suits?
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- This really isn't complicated - if you don't support seizing Russian oligarch wealth, then you're effectively siding with an unprovoked invasion of Ukraine. That's the choice, there's no neutral ground here. Either you stand for justice, sanctions and accountability, or you're excusing tanks rolling over borders. It's that simple. (NT) -- Lib Hen (He / Him) [GMT] (😷💉🏳🌈✊🏿🌍), Wednesday, December 17, 01:04:26pm (NoHost/62.197.151.21)
- You need to read around this a bit more. You say CFC was "stolen" from Abramovich? I'm assuming you are not aware of what Abramovich himself has stolen? (NT) -- Read, read, and read a bit more..., Wednesday, December 17, 01:16:25pm (NoHost/109.144.18.75)
- Play the strongest team -- Otherwise what is the actual point, Wednesday, December 17, 08:32:15am (a172-226-183-64.deploy.static.akamaitechnologies.com/172.226.183.64)
If 17th is height of ambitions season after season why bother. Real chance for a trophy here, just go for it. One of the only clubs never to have one a trophy.
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- Agreed. 100% full strength team please (NT) -- Fkev, Wednesday, December 17, 08:40:54am (NoHost/57.133.213.87)
- Agree! (NT) -- Mr Kurkuruza, Wednesday, December 17, 09:00:15am (217-155-46-35.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk/217.155.46.35)
- Have to say concerned about starting Jimenez. I know the guy would put in a shift but fear losing him from burn out. (NT) -- CB, Wednesday, December 17, 09:22:51am (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
- Agreed, highly unlikely we’ll go down, unless something really catastrophic happens, but real outside chance of it. Also aren’t playing again until Monday so some time there to rest and recuperate, play the team most likely to win the game. (NT) -- Henry1879, Wednesday, December 17, 09:22:56am (82-132-220-140.dab.02.net/82.132.220.140)
- Is there any suggestion Silva won't play the strongest team? (NT) -- p, Wednesday, December 17, 09:32:07am (host81-133-110-86.in-addr.btopenworld.com/81.133.110.86)
- Of course play the strongest team. These are highly paid professionals in their prime and should easily be able to recover. I can't imagine how these guys would even begin to cope with the world of combat sports participants, who's training is brutal by comparison and you never hear them complain. Much of it is about mentality - footballers can often have a soft mindset due to all the protection and babying they receive. Get out there and do your job FFS. (NT) -- Samuel, Wednesday, December 17, 10:07:40am (NoHost/83.106.75.64)
- I agree, especially as we don’t play again till Monday night. Newcastle on the other hand, last played Sunday and play again Saturday lunchtime. If anyone is going to rest players, hopefully it will be them. (NT) -- Bexhill Beast, Wednesday, December 17, 11:30:03am (host86-141-94-242.range86-141.btcentralplus.com/86.141.94.242)
- Yes, of course play the strongest team. It's what the customers have paid for. Never understood supporters who clamour for a weakened spectacle. (NT) -- Hammersmithender, Wednesday, December 17, 02:09:01pm (NoHost/31.94.32.156)
- Changes for tomorrow ?? -- Mickey, Tuesday, December 16, 01:39:59pm (82-132-231-5.dab.02.net/82.132.231.5)
Firstly for me absolutely no way should Jimenez feature whatsoever; in unlikely event of JKA being fit then at least have him on the bench . Next Robinson limited minutes if at all; with Castagne coming on . Cuenca obv starts but how about Diop coming in for Andersen ? Perhaps depends how much you prioritise this game ; I certainly don’t and with this in mind why not keep Cup loyalty to Lecompte? Lukic and Berge back together for me and ESR as the ‘10’. Assuming Kevin comes in for Chukwueze , that leaves the dilemma of who to start instead of Raul: why not just play Josh in that advanced position and hope somehow his trickery takes them by surprise ? Meanwhile I presume the Club are at this very moment lining up the Early Jan Transfers /Loans that will give them an outside shot of retaining Silva …..assuming no additional false promises have been made
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- Agree no Raul otherwise strongest team. I'm intrigued by the Moise Kean rumour. Almost the ideal and above all plausible signing. (NT) -- The Man With No Name, Tuesday, December 16, 01:43:17pm (host81-141-119-135.range81-141.btcentralplus.com/81.141.119.135)
- Gotta give H “that advanced position” I reckon, and agree Marco should give Raul a rest. Maybe sit him on the bench and use him 2nd half (if required) (NT) -- Bad Boy, Tuesday, December 16, 02:16:37pm (NoHost/2.220.250.84)
- Raul is a master penalty taker. So despite him not ever showing impact off the bench I'd have him involved off the bench this time. Personally, as much as I want us generally to play expansive, attacking football in the league, I think we should do the horrible cup thing of playing horribly defensive, hit and hope stuff. Something like 343: Lecomte; Cuenca, Andersen, Diop; Castagne, Berge, Lukic, Tete; Kevin, Wilson, ESR. (NT) -- eganonoa, Tuesday, December 16, 04:36:48pm (NoHost/172.58.181.147)
- A cup quarter final, a chance to get to what would be only our fourth proper semi final in my lifetime, live on mainstream tv. I'd prioritise it over any league game. (NT) -- Wolfie Smith, Wednesday, December 17, 10:12:00am (82-132-229-180.dab.02.net/82.132.229.180)
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Brendan Rodgers gone to Saudi. -- PHEWWWW!, Tuesday, December 16, 11:25:45am (NoHost/213.207.132.10)
At least if Silva leaves, we won't get lumbered with that.
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- At last, Troy Deeney giving Fulham some love in his team of the week feature... -- dd, Tuesday, December 16, 09:37:06am (NoHost/90.204.91.94)
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c1lr7jp8gvdo">https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c1lr7jp8gvdo</a>
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- You can’t take his team seriously if selections are based on the player write ups. What he said about Leno was so far from the truth. He obviously didn’t watch any of the game . (NT) -- The Drobe, Tuesday, December 16, 11:42:08am (host109-147-10-80.range109-147.btcentralplus.com/109.147.10.80)
- I know the result looks like a close game and Fulham will say they deserved to win, but Bernd Leno made five or six good saves at the start of the game that kept them in it. (NT) -- Sounds like a fair and reasonable summary to me., Tuesday, December 16, 12:12:12pm (NoHost/2.120.137.10)
- He was absolutely correct. (NT) -- Bexhill Beast, Tuesday, December 16, 12:49:11pm (host86-141-94-242.range86-141.btcentralplus.com/86.141.94.242)
- I think its a tad exagerrated and hyperbolic (Burnley had 8 shots on target all match, 2 of which went in, so to suggest 5 or 6 'very good' saves in the opening minutes is a bit much) - but the overall thrust is probably correct. We probably wouldn't have won without Leno. (NT) -- Same Old Story, Tuesday, December 16, 02:15:15pm (NoHost/84.66.55.127)
- Yup, fair enough - that’ll teach me to read properly and not skim as I completely missed the ‘at the start of the game’ bit. As you say though, Leno’s performance overall was as important to our win as Wilson’s. (NT) -- Bexhill Beast, Tuesday, December 16, 04:13:31pm (host86-141-94-242.range86-141.btcentralplus.com/86.141.94.242)
- To be fair, I think he's caught the essence of the Bassey I see. (NT) -- Barry@ENF, Tuesday, December 16, 04:47:29pm (2e400676.skybroadband.com/46.64.6.118)
- The reason I struggle with comments like we wouldn’t have won without Leno is that he was called into action to do the sort of things that he is paid to do and that ano keeper could have done on the night - without going all Roy Keane - he just did his job. He was busier than usual but he just did what he had to do competently- which was an improvement on lae (NT) -- f bloke, Tuesday, December 16, 06:24:47pm (NoHost/2.223.121.65)
- Agree. Five good blocks with his body with good movement off his line and one excellent save after a full length dive. Something we'd all expect a 'keeper of Leno's standing to do week in week out. The fact that he was exposed on half a dozen occasions is a concern. I'd have been equally happy to have been reading that Lecomte was just behind Wilson in the match ratings and that we'd be saying that without the goalkeeper's contribution we may not have broken an undesirable long-standing record. (NT) -- FFC in Brighton., Tuesday, December 16, 11:10:34pm (NoHost/2.120.137.10)
- I think your last line is probably why its being lauded. I was right behind the low shot and he probably saw it a bit late, so i think that was a very good save. The others, all pretty much 'you'd expect a competent keeper to save that'. But, the fact that he hasn't been saving all of those recently, means that in a match where he had to save several, it became an important factor (NT) -- Same Old Story, Wednesday, December 17, 12:35:16pm (NoHost/84.66.55.127)
- Deeney always talks well on Fulham - he loves Marco, calls him his best ever coach (NT) -- woodman, Tuesday, December 16, 02:36:10pm (NoHost/57.140.20.49)
- Re: At last, Troy Deeney giving Fulham some love in his team of the week feature... (NT) -- Troy Deeney don’t take him too seriously, Tuesday, December 16, 07:15:31pm (host-92-24-210-86.as13285.net/92.24.210.86)
- Why does anyone care what Troy Deeney thinks? About absolutely anything... (NT) -- Fkev, Wednesday, December 17, 11:42:57am (NoHost/57.133.213.87)
- No point even going on Wednesday, seems we’ve been replaced in the carabao cup quarter final. This from the BBC when reporting on Dan Burn’s injury: -- SCA, Monday, December 15, 09:17:21pm (NoHost/90.203.120.157)
Schar looks set to partner Malick Thiaw for Wednesday's Carabao Cup quarter-final against Tottenham Hotspur at St James' Park.
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- Josh King -- f bloke, Monday, December 15, 01:52:38pm (NoHost/2.223.121.65)
There is a 'Project Footballer' interview with the parents of Josh King that can be found on YouTube. The interviewer is a woman with 2 kids in Academies - u 10s and u 13s and the target audience is really parents of kids in academies focussing on balancing school work, extra curricula activities, diet, rest time etc. A couple of thing stand out: listening to his parents, it is easy to see why Josh always comes across as so mature and grounded for his years. Since very early teens he has played midfield - primarily as a 6 (since the coaches wanted him on the ball as much as possible), then as an 8 and only more recently as a 10. He has had to do a lot of learning as a 10 and the parents were highly complimentary of Marco Silva here - as a coach, as a teacher and as a person. But playing as an 8 maybe where he will be better suited going forward once he has grown into his body a bit more. He will need more goal contributions if he is going make it as a 10. They were also highly complimentary of the academy set up - particularly how good they are with smaller in size kids. I went along to the u 18s on Saturday for the first time since the start of the season and was struck by how diminutive in size so many of them are. Looking across the pitch at the u 16s, this was even more marked - it was like watching the u 12s against u 16s. With the likes of Chelsea/Arsenal/Spurs on the door step, maybe that has to be a point of difference for the Fulham Academy - the right home for the tiddlers. Josh was one of the very smallest til he was 14 or so- The club has to come up with a compelling narrative when speaking to parents of youngsters who are also being chased by Chelsea particularly given Chelsea's strike rate in producing EPL level players in recent years.
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- This is super-interesting. Do you have a link? Earlier in the week I mentioned that his defensive numbers were remarkable and matched what we see on the field as the best Andreas replacement we've seen. His underlying defensive numbers (beyond aerial duels) are much better than any of our attacking players, or Andreas', and closer to Berge's than any of them. As I said then, he'll clearly need to fill out to move back. But he does seem to have a No. 8 about him. This explains why. (NT) -- eganonoa, Monday, December 15, 03:09:53pm (NoHost/195.222.49.31)
- www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVMmuQtMYbA Impressive parents. (NT) -- b+w g., Monday, December 15, 06:54:15pm (host217-45-88-228.range217-45.btcentralplus.com/217.45.88.228)
- Re: Josh King -- Mick The Beard, Monday, December 15, 08:35:08pm (lewi-30-b2-v4wan-172875-cust1010.vm4.cable.virginm.net/80.5.211.243)
- Under nourished as babies/toddlers,usually brought up by a single parent [mother]. (NT) -- bill mittens, Tuesday, December 16, 01:27:23am (host-92-21-211-157.as13285.net/92.21.211.157)
- That remark from Bill Mittens - how unkind and insulting to Josh and his family. (NT) -- Hellraiser, Tuesday, December 16, 09:23:05am (NoHost/205.147.17.3)
- Wasn't Johnnny Haynes turned down by Arsenal for being too small? (NT) -- Memory loss, Wednesday, December 17, 07:31:46am (NoHost/80.233.74.121)
- Silva sgned a new contract. announced for forest -- dstm, Monday, December 15, 10:26:55am (NoHost/64.43.3.251)
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- Interesting, heard something similar this morning (NT) -- Same Old Story, Monday, December 15, 12:22:10pm (NoHost/84.66.55.127)
- I'm always going to be skeptical of a post like OP's that comes from an Irish vodaphone IP, especially when it's followed not to soon after by a stupid post from a tzulo or .eu VPN IP domain. Smacks of our sad troll. But very interesting that you heard similar, I must say! (NT) -- eganonoa, Monday, December 15, 12:46:08pm (NoHost/195.222.49.31)
- Mine is 'someone who knows someone' as the source. The someone that i know is as fulham as you and me so no need for him to whatsapp me bo11ocks, but the someone that he knows is a new source so no idea of the reliability. Wouldn't have mentioned it on here had i not seen this post. (NT) -- Same Old Story, Monday, December 15, 01:06:34pm (NoHost/84.66.55.127)
- Sky sports seem to think I live in Ireland ( instead of Nottinghill Gate ) and phones have gone missing . There was an Irish drug dealer that once married to my ex-business partner who may have something to do with it , as I’m sure you know (NT) -- alanos, Monday, December 15, 03:21:09pm (82-132-235-244.dab.02.net/82.132.235.244)
- Was he an Agent? (NT) -- GA, Monday, December 15, 03:45:51pm (ool-18b90125.dyn.optonline.net/24.185.1.37)
- Much more of this alanos and there will be a private ambulance with blacked out windows turning up outside your door. (NT) -- Barry@ENF, Monday, December 15, 06:47:56pm (2e400676.skybroadband.com/46.64.6.118)
- I know it's Ireland, but can you get me 10 Garys and a gramme of Coke and an 8th of weed to get me through Christmas? (NT) -- "Cohen", Monday, December 15, 07:15:39pm (217-155-46-35.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk/217.155.46.35)
- Away from the nonsense there's a rumour that we're interested in buying Moise Kean. Silva signed him for Everton. Might that be an element in Silva signing his contract? Seems to me to be a very realistic and welcome signing. (NT) -- The Man With No Name, Tuesday, December 16, 08:26:45am (host81-141-119-135.range81-141.btcentralplus.com/81.141.119.135)
- After the Weekend -- Kimberly-Clark, Monday, December 15, 09:33:27am (host-92-24-210-86.as13285.net/92.24.210.86)
Is there only one Relegation position left to fill? Who are the main Candidates? Leeds fighting and maybe home form their saviour. West Ham mainly awful but have quality players capable of turning games and have goals in their side. Forest don’t even consider them in Relegation trouble too much quality and depth. Take your pick from the Rest.
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- It's a shame Leeds couldn't beat Brentford yesterday and widen the gap between the bottom three and the rest of the division. If Bowen gets injured or suspended Westham will take that 3rd relegation spot - he's so influential for him, as strikers should be. But I think they'll almost certainly for drop anyway unless they can keep the gap minimal over the next couple of weeks and do something in the January market. (NT) -- Samuel, Monday, December 15, 09:50:57am (NoHost/83.106.75.64)
- Also, it'll be interesting to see how AFCON affects squads at the bottom. For example, we are gonna lose a few regular starters and don't have the deepest of squads. However, I think this season will see us (mostly) beat the rubbish and nick a few points elsewhere, which will be enough. Would love to see Wet Spam get relegated but they somehow scrape through every time they are in danger. Ironically, last time they got relegated they genuinely had a very good team - pretty rank average now. -- Neil G, Monday, December 15, 10:03:13am (NoHost/62.64.164.110)
- It's going to be between Leeds, West Ham and Forest in that order. Outside bets on the three teams currently on 20 points, Brentford, Bournemouth and us, in that order. The football yesterday in Leeds vs Brentford was throwback to some of the horrible stuff we used to see 30+ years ago. So of this outside three I put Brentford most in danger of being sucked in. Can't really see Bournemouth or us in the mix. (NT) -- eganonoa, Monday, December 15, 11:54:17am (NoHost/195.222.49.31)
- Forest will be comfortably in mid table soon. No chance of them going down. As much if not more quality in their squad than us. Next 2 games could see us dragged down again unless our defence performs significantly better than dreadful showing on Sat. (NT) -- The Drobe, Monday, December 15, 12:23:55pm (host109-147-10-80.range109-147.btcentralplus.com/109.147.10.80)
- I genuinely think there's a couple above who are in more danger than us. For all their great start I think Sunderland will have a bad run at some point (they've got 7 players away at AFCON!). (NT) -- Same Old Story, Monday, December 15, 12:36:36pm (NoHost/84.66.55.127)
- Spurs are in free-fall, Sunderland as you say. Also, with new managers and teams it can take time for the league to adjust after which a correction can come hard as they play teams for a second time. Sunderland have enough points in the bag. But I don't doubt we finish ahead of them. Famous last words, but I'm honestly not worried about us despite the somewhat tricky period to navigate ahead in central midfield and upfront (not concerned about losing Chuckwaeze and Bassey). (NT) -- eganonoa, Monday, December 15, 12:51:30pm (NoHost/195.222.49.31)
- Sunderland probably need 10 more points to stay up. They've been average all season. There's a few teams that are lucky this season- take villa for example, their XG against is 24 and they've conceded 16, their xg for is 19 and they've scored 25. They've also scored half their goals from outside the box! Whether you agree with xg stats or not, they're riding their luck big time. After watching some of the game yesterday, both Brentford and Leeds look terrible, I know brentford fans are worried (NT) -- Jim© The Devon IP, Monday, December 15, 01:05:30pm (62-64-192-58.virtual1.co.uk/62.64.192.58)
- Why do we need players upfront if you (a) think we are safe , and )b) ) Muniz should be back early February . Notice your alter egomania Samuel has stopped calling Muniz league 1 standard every post and like you just starting to hint about the real project . Which is to sell Muniz on the cheap to whoever has offered you a chunky commission to help facilitate . Just as you came on the site with your other psy -ops guys to help get Mitro sold to the Saudis . Remember you said only worth £28m . (NT) -- alanos, Monday, December 15, 03:05:18pm (82-132-235-244.dab.02.net/82.132.235.244)
- With you on the two likeliest candidates. One has Bowen, the other perhaps greater fighting spirit. On balance I favour West Ham to survive but suspect it will be very close. (NT) -- Bexhill Beast, Monday, December 15, 12:46:56pm (host86-141-94-242.range86-141.btcentralplus.com/86.141.94.242)
- Brentford will definitely be in the mix (Andrews leaves out Damsgard at home?), and Sunderland will implode soon. (NT) -- GA, Monday, December 15, 03:29:02pm (ool-18b90125.dyn.optonline.net/24.185.1.37)
- Crusing -- Eerwah, Monday, December 15, 01:12:15am (NoHost/168.140.254.12)
Due to missing creativity also strength in midfield and forward line options, current form will take us back to dwelling at basement level of Premier league.
Policy of transfer deadline bargain hunting is root cause of the problem. Soon to open January transfer window should provide opportunity for redemption.
Since Mo and Shad, heaps of money has been invested. If not rectified by astute management, spoiling a ship for a ha'port of tar comes to mind.
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- Re: with ESRs 'crack form'.....surely.....Marco will 'try' Joke King in CM 'in the Iwobi role' during the next weeks........ (NT) -- See you Southend lads, Monday, December 15, 01:30:34am (ns3213672.ip-141-94-249.eu/141.94.249.205)
- Current Form - Do you mean short-term (9 pts out of 15 which will have us finish on 60 pts) or longer term (20 pts from 16 games - finish with 48 pts) - both are mid table, (NT) -- ASPT, Monday, December 15, 03:43:49am (114-129-187-208.ip4.superloop.au/114.129.187.208)
- Both final numbers flatter to decieve what is happening on the pitch where lady luck has smiled on us. (NT) -- Eerwah, Monday, December 15, 04:24:14am (NoHost/168.140.254.12)
- Not convinced that it's a valid argument that lady luck has smiled on us when you consider Josh's goal at WGDT being ruled out, the goal against Palace being ruled out and the injuries to key players early in the season. (NT) -- FFC in Brighton., Monday, December 15, 08:06:15am (NoHost/2.120.137.10)
- Bizarre. (NT) -- HemelRog, Monday, December 15, 08:16:13am (5e04ef25.bb.isp.sky.com/94.4.239.37)
- How has lady luck smiled on us? Granted defending against Burnley at times left a lot to be desired but were the better side with more quality. We could have scored more as well. We were away from home against one of our boggiest of bogey teams and won fairly comfortable aside from the usual nervous ten mins after they scored their second but we actually saw out the last few minutes quite comfortable. Not our best performance but showed we do have quality to keep us above the relegation zone. (NT) -- Harry68, Monday, December 15, 02:47:26pm (cpc160099-nmal26-2-0-cust805.19-2.cable.virginm.net/82.18.163.38)
- Re: Crusing (NT) -- One job this season stay above 18th (Realistic), Monday, December 15, 09:16:37am (host-92-24-210-86.as13285.net/92.24.210.86)
- Missing creativity ? Is that Pereira sold for 10m euros ? But surely Kevin bought for 40m will make up for his loss . Seriously you want to give the outward bound guy responsible for out recent spending and sales (NT) -- alanos, Monday, December 15, 10:18:12am (82-132-235-244.dab.02.net/82.132.235.244)
- Fancy A Swap (con) -- Noel, Sunday, December 14, 08:18:36pm (host86-152-44-179.range86-152.btcentralplus.com/86.152.44.179)
My post below assumed that Marco will 100% be leaving in Summer. So if this is a given, would you swap for Frank NOW?
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- Fancy a swap? -- Noel, Sunday, December 14, 05:59:54pm (host86-152-44-179.range86-152.btcentralplus.com/86.152.44.179)
Frank in the tank! Hey, ho, Silva? Deal or No Deal?
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- Re: Fancy a swap? Ha ha ha are you mad? (NT) -- Alboy, Sunday, December 14, 06:12:52pm (host109-150-14-226.range109-150.btcentralplus.com/109.150.14.226)
- Frank would do well at a club our size. Just saying. (NT) -- CB, Sunday, December 14, 06:24:33pm (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
- But he did have a few exceptional players at Brentford that perhaps masked the weaknesses that appear to be showing now. Their recruitment is also very good, so everything was on place for an average manager to punch above his weight. There's plenty of criticism towards his tactics from the fans, who now wants him sacked. (NT) -- Samuel, Sunday, December 14, 06:31:42pm (NoHost/83.106.75.64)
- Palhina only getting a 3.27 for Spurs rating today. Their fans calling for Frank to go. -- Paul, Sunday, December 14, 04:32:21pm (NoHost/176.26.51.150)
For me, Harry Wilson is playing the best ever for us & Wales, other Clubs will be trying to get him in January.
Leno playing better now & good from Bassey & ESR apart from couple of mistakes. If we could get a consistent striker addition it'd be good, now Robbo is back could Sess be brought forward more?
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- Sess would have scored with the chance Robinson skied, to make it 4-1 and knock the stuffing out of them. (NT) -- Straw Clutchers Anonymous, Sunday, December 14, 04:43:38pm (NoHost/90.203.120.157)
- Since Chuck is away until mid Jan and assuming Jedi is fit I would play Sess on the left wing. (NT) -- Depressed, Sunday, December 14, 04:57:47pm (host-78-149-190-10.as13285.net/78.149.190.10)
- If Marco is still his manager.. would extract the Fulham João. So 'if' and cheap loan .. DO IT TK (NT) -- Need a dcm, Sunday, December 14, 09:56:20pm (customer.lndngbr1.pop.starlinkisp.net/216.128.29.106)
- Geordies -- bs, Sunday, December 14, 04:06:18pm (NoHost/2.126.48.26)
Gotta be on a downer after today.
Get at them like at Spurs and could put it away early
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- Thomas Frank -- Samuel, Sunday, December 14, 03:47:43pm (NoHost/83.106.75.64)
There was talk of him being sacked a couple of weeks ago and I wonder if this afternoon's thrashing by a struggling Forest team will be the final nail?
It's incredible that Tottenham continues to suck these managers in like a moth to light despite being a graveyard for some of the world's top coaches previously. Not sure anyone is going to change the fortunes of that club; it really is Jinx United.
Will Silva be next?
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- They won’t buy the calibre of Player a higher profile Manager would want . Hence the likes of Ange and now Frank, neither of whom can realistically use ‘top table ‘ reputations to justify their Player Demands. (NT) -- Mickey, Sunday, December 14, 03:55:18pm (82-132-229-94.dab.02.net/82.132.229.94)
- What’s a good season for spurs? 6th? They’re currently 4 points off 5th and 9 points off relegation, absolute hyperbole talking about a relegation battle. I don’t get what people want, they finished 17th last season, anything 6-7th and Europa league will be a decent season, they aren’t far off at all, anytime anyone loses a couple of games now apparently it’s panic stations. (NT) -- Henry1879, Sunday, December 14, 04:32:35pm (customer.lndngbr1.pop.starlinkisp.net/145.224.65.50)
- They're only 2 points better off than us and only last week there was plenty of discussion that we were heading for a relegation battle. Besides, it's about expectation. Frank was tasked with a top 4 finish and his trajectory is firmly heading in the opposite direction. (NT) -- Samuel, Sunday, December 14, 04:48:54pm (NoHost/83.106.75.64)
- Was he? By who? Where has anyone said spurs should finish top 4 this season? They finished 17th last time out. What about Howe then? Newcastle are below them, yet I’d say have a substantially better team. We are currently 13/1, the bookies also suggest we aren’t really in a relegation battle, unless we fall apart post Xmas, but then that’s the life of a mid table team. (NT) -- Henry1879, Sunday, December 14, 05:16:25pm (customer.lndngbr1.pop.starlinkisp.net/145.224.65.50)
- Daniel Levy expected Thomas Frank to deliver sustained success and win major trophies (Premier League/Champions League) "as soon as possible," < That's all I can find at the moment but there was an article a couple of months ago refering to a top 4 finish. (NT) -- Samuel, Sunday, December 14, 05:27:44pm (NoHost/83.106.75.64)
- It’s just media talk, nothingness, how would any of us know what spurs would want from their manager, it’s just pure speculation. Levy isn’t even at spurs anymore. Anyway, do people really think spurs have a top 4 squad, better than Chelsea, city, Liverpool, Arsenal and villa? They pay europa league wages, which is what levy imposed being a frugal accountant by nature, they don’t have many champs league players as they don’t pay champs league wages. (NT) -- Henry1879, Sunday, December 14, 05:45:43pm (customer.lndngbr1.pop.starlinkisp.net/145.224.65.50)
- There is an actual interview with Levy where he confirms ref: winning prem/CL titles as soon as possible, which is why Frank was hired. It's on Sky. So we do know what Tottenham expect from him, it's not media speculation. But yes, Levy is no longer there and their squad probably isn't good enough, although Forest nearly did it. So it not that outlandish. (NT) -- Samuel, Sunday, December 14, 06:15:15pm (NoHost/83.106.75.64)
- As soon as possible, what does that mean? It’s a vague, nothing media statement to appeal to the spurs fans that he has the ambition to win things and not be run solely as a sound money generating business. Spurs have 6th/7th wage bill, that’s where they’ll be aiming, Europa league qualification a good season, until they pay champs league wages they won’t be a contender. 5-16th is so condensed a couple of wins and it’s all different, they finished 17yh last season, will take time. (NT) -- Henry1879, Sunday, December 14, 07:24:24pm (cpc113812-lea23-2-0-cust213.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.26.216.214)
- True, they could have been in the championship this season (NT) -- Waterboy, Sunday, December 14, 09:38:47pm (NoHost/84.69.18.104)
- We cannot shake 18th place. Going to be very close -- PSR SCR FFP, Sunday, December 14, 02:39:14pm (NoHost/51.37.118.199)
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- Nice win -- Alboy, Sunday, December 14, 01:30:22pm (host109-150-14-226.range109-150.btcentralplus.com/109.150.14.226)
Nice to get another monkey of our backs and winning away at Burnley. Well worked corner so Smith-Rowe with another goal which is good to see. Wilson clearly man of the match with two assists and a great finish for the third. Defensively we made some errors but it was nice to see Robinson back playing. I loved Basseys run from our defence into their box if only he'd passed the ball what a goal that would have beenThought Chuckweze looked good again and Bergh was excellent excellent much needed win hopefully give us some confidence going into the next games.
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- The way defended last night …..Leno MOTM by the way fills me with no confidence whatsoever so ever for our upcoming games. (NT) -- Ffc, Sunday, December 14, 02:21:57pm (97e1e3d2.skybroadband.com/151.225.227.210)
- Re: The Wilson MOM ,Leno did very well thought he was supposed to be useless 🤣 (NT) -- Alboy, Sunday, December 14, 02:34:47pm (host109-150-14-226.range109-150.btcentralplus.com/109.150.14.226)
- Yes though more challenging opposition last night would not have granted Burnley as high an ‘XG’ . I believe we were somewhat ‘over-confident ‘ at scoring and in so being were nowhere near fully focused enough when they had the ball . A better team would’ve put more past them and blunted their attacks more . However that said , the 3 points will hopefully raise confidence levels . Meanwhile Murphy’s words at end of MOTD need to be heeded by our Glorious Owners ! (NT) -- Mickey, Sunday, December 14, 03:01:25pm (82-132-229-94.dab.02.net/82.132.229.94)
- I thought we played with a bit of over confidence as well, which I thought made us more vulnerable than we should have been. To me, the teams mentality is a big reason for the struggles this season...not hungry enough and living off of the first half of last season. (NT) -- RR, Sunday, December 14, 03:22:10pm (NoHost/104.220.143.92)
- But I did like the look of us going forward yesterday. The pace of our attacking mentality made us very threatening. It was a good watch from that perspective. (NT) -- RR, Sunday, December 14, 03:30:32pm (NoHost/104.220.143.92)
- “…the key is to get Marco Silva tied down…” And a bit of banter with Danny Murphy…..“and they’ve never signed a player from Liverpool who’s made such an impact as Harry Wilson” FFS get these 2 contracts sorted. (NT) -- Bad Boy, Sunday, December 14, 03:51:03pm (NoHost/2.222.160.125)
- He was due a top performance.He isnt useless but has been pretty poor for some time.Let’s hope it is a permanent return to some sort of form. (NT) -- HemelRog, Sunday, December 14, 03:22:17pm (5e04ef25.bb.isp.sky.com/94.4.239.37)
- Yes, Leno did great yesterday. But, as discussed last week, we accept that his days may be numbered. This season to date has not been his best, particularly in terms of positioning and stopping some goals that one would have expected him to do. We hope can keep up yesterday's form, always allowing for the odd error naturally. (NT) -- CB, Sunday, December 14, 05:35:05pm (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
- Lime green eartha....... and .......the old ffc crest -- On the shirts very smart, Sunday, December 14, 10:23:21am (2e409ff7.skybroadband.com/46.64.159.247)
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- We don't do draws -- JamieR, Sunday, December 14, 08:58:28am (232.173.6.51.dyn.plus.net/51.6.173.232)
I don't know what it says about the way we play under Silva but we've had two extraordinary runs in the across this calendar year in the league: first, the final eighteen games of last season without a single draw. Then at the beginning of this season, the first two games both 1-1. And since then - another fourteen games in a row all wins and losses!
I guess it means we lose a lot of games but manage to stay afloat in the league because when we avoid defeat, we win.
Anyway. Must be some kind of record.
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- But don't forget our longest unbeaten run, just before this calendar year, where all we seemed to do was draw! (NT) -- eganonoa, Sunday, December 14, 09:12:50am (cable-146-255-156-96.dynamic.telemach.ba/146.255.156.96)
- Silvia’s right to go the the wins and risk losing. Draw every game and we end up with 38 points Win half the games and we get 57. Makes sense. (NT) -- Crafty Cottager, Sunday, December 14, 10:48:08am (89-197-220-82.virtual1.co.uk/89.197.220.82)
- Spot on, you have to take rough with the smooth, palace game being a prime example, but its worth risking extra losses to pursue extra wins, runs of draws are killers, undefeated sounds great, but its relegation form, go for the win, may not always come off, but risk v reward is sensible. (NT) -- Henry1879, Sunday, December 14, 11:35:09am (cpc113812-lea23-2-0-cust213.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.26.216.214)
- All this talk about needing a new striker -- Fulham Si, Sunday, December 14, 08:26:14am (static-80-177-78-58.vodafonexdsl.co.uk/80.177.78.58)
But the reality is we score enough goals to do well in this league! Our problem is just how easy we concede goals. In an ideal world we would improve at both ends of the pitch but seeing there are limits on what we can spend each season my priority would be stop the rot at the back. I think our first choice back 4 are individually good players but together are a mess. I understand our new philosophy of playing more on the front foot and I completely agree that this suits us better, I also appreciate that will make us slightly more exposed at the back but conceding the amount we do is not sustainable.
If both fullbacks are going to push up at the same time then we need a cdm that stays closer to our centre backs to stop them getting split on the counter attack from out wide. Or we need to play 3 at the back and forsake the 8 position. Our recovery on the counter needs to be quicker and better organised.
Our pretty should be either a new CB or a new defensive coach.
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- Priority not pretty!! (NT) -- Fulham Si, Sunday, December 14, 08:28:39am (static-80-177-78-58.vodafonexdsl.co.uk/80.177.78.58)
- I think Berge as cdm does that fairly well. For me the problem is the ease with which oppositions get through our midfield. Our strength though is our two wide players supported by attacking fbs and the need to get service to them. My conclusion is that we need someone who can combine Lukic's defensive strengths with Iwobi's attacking abilities. Good luck finding that player. (NT) -- The Man With No Name, Sunday, December 14, 08:39:49am (host81-141-119-135.range81-141.btcentralplus.com/81.141.119.135)
- It's system, not players. We concede more because we're throwing more forwards in order to score more, including encouraging all our defenders to play attacking football. We could probably play Parker-ball, sideways possession, careful buildup and have great defensive results. But then everyone would be complaining that we are toothless. (NT) -- eganonoa, Sunday, December 14, 08:40:18am (cable-146-255-156-96.dynamic.telemach.ba/146.255.156.96)
- Re: All this talk about needing a new striker (NT) -- This Andre fellow is ok.?, Sunday, December 14, 09:15:10am (host-92-24-210-86.as13285.net/92.24.210.86)
- One incisive pass breaks through our lines it is embarrassing the defenders just watch the art of defending has gone out of the game (NT) -- Button, Sunday, December 14, 09:35:31am (5-148-11-122.cust-5.exponential-e.net/5.148.11.122)
- Look at the goals we tend to concede! Normally through the middle because our CB’s are either split, too slow or half asleep! I too would rather more open play and attacking with purpose but to say that means we have to also accept a barrage of soft goals is defeatist. (NT) -- Fulham Si, Sunday, December 14, 09:48:48am (static-80-177-78-58.vodafonexdsl.co.uk/80.177.78.58)
- They're split because they're supporting the attack on their respective sides. The pass can cut through because we replaced the pure-tackle Palhinha with Berge and his superior skills in possession. We've seen the "fix": Berge + Lukic. It makes us much less susceptible to this type of pass, but makes us much more pedestrian in attack. We've scored and conceded so much of late because we switched Iwobi for Lukic. It's made us better overall even if it has exposed the back line. (NT) -- eganonoa, Sunday, December 14, 10:00:58am (cable-146-255-156-96.dynamic.telemach.ba/146.255.156.96)
- It’d not defeatist, it’s the reality of it, you want your CBs condensing the pitch on the half way line, a full back playing like a winner and two 10s + Berge, you’re gonna pay for that defensively, this utopian piling 8 bodies forward and being solid like a Roy team js an impossibility, for any club, let alone a mid resource one. Up to the manager to find a balance, I think a new CM next to Berge who can pass, will bring more stability. (NT) -- Henry1879, Sunday, December 14, 11:32:02am (cpc113812-lea23-2-0-cust213.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.26.216.214)
- Unfortunately, Calvin has, almost, everything to make him a fan's favorite, as proved by last season but does suffer from lack of concentration and ability to sniff out danger. It will be interesting to see if Jorge, who I believe is a better defender, can now come in and make the position his own. We have got to plug that centre midfield gap which allows an opponent to run through unchallenged right up to our box and prevent the simple ball over the top of our defence causing us so many issues. (NT) -- Ted White, Sunday, December 14, 10:35:53am (host109-145-227-215.range109-145.btcentralplus.com/109.145.227.215)
- First win at Turf Moor since before Elvis! Only Arsenal and Liverpool have won by two clear goals at Turf Moor this season. Parker puts defence before attack. Some of the dullest football I have seen in my 50 years plus of watching. Chukwuesi and ESR are not the best defensive players so we lose a little without the ball, but gain more with it. Yes we have no Palhinha protecting our back 4, but then I really enjoy Berge gliding forward, spraying passes.. (NT) -- Juana Aorta, Sunday, December 14, 11:25:32am (217-155-46-35.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk/217.155.46.35)
- Some valid points! It will be interesting to see a run of games with Cuenca and Anderson to see if it’s just our present combination that’s the problem. It might not be too obvious from results as we also lose Iwobi and Samu but we will get a clearer perspective if us at the back. (NT) -- Fulham Si, Sunday, December 14, 11:54:26am (static-80-177-78-58.vodafonexdsl.co.uk/80.177.78.58)
- Got to be kidding. When all we can do is put willow the wisp up front eg Josh king and expect him to hold the ball up I do think we need another striker on the books (NT) -- Hodds Sutton, Sunday, December 14, 04:37:03pm (croy-25-b2-v4wan-169464-cust2015.vm24.cable.virginm.net/92.236.39.224)
- Facing The Void -- CHB, Sunday, December 14, 08:16:15am (host86-152-44-179.range86-152.btcentralplus.com/86.152.44.179)
Despite every fan’s desire for linear progress, at whatever level their club playing, football is a game of discontinuity. Despite a desire for constancy - in Fulham’s case an established PL presence laced with occasional Quixotic tilts at more - it’s a rollercoaster ride, often of the white knuckle variety. In truth, that’s what gets our juices flowing. So when fans clamour for a talisman to stay on, there usually are good reasons why the dynamics of the game dictate change. Concession to sentiment more-often-than-not results in counter friction. Mo Salah at Liverpool would appear to be a good case in point. In Salah’s case, Liverpool knew that this summer was the right time to part ways with the player but allowed fan sentiment to get in the way of their right thinking. In the other direction, I feel that this is the same with Silva. For reasons, that nonetheless stick in the craw, Silva has ambitions that Fulham can not deliver. There are even signs of that counter-friction with Silva still in position. He seems to be stuck; some would even say he’s been going through the motions. I love what Marco has given to us but I have reached head-over heart sad conclusion that it would be best for all parties to cut the rope and move on.
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- How happy I'd be with Silva leaving depends on who replaces him and how they do. Obviously. I may be wrong but I doubt that the supporters of the big clubs would be thrilled with a Marco appointment. We've seen this with Nuno, Potter, Moyes and now Frank. Managers good at stabilising mid rank clubs but with no significant top level playing careers or experience with top level star players. I actually think FFC is Marco's level (NT) -- The Man With No Name, Sunday, December 14, 08:53:17am (host81-141-119-135.range81-141.btcentralplus.com/81.141.119.135)
- Re: Facing The Void (NT) -- Spot on about Salah, and maybe Marco?, Sunday, December 14, 09:12:59am (host-92-24-210-86.as13285.net/92.24.210.86)
- Have to admit although I rate him our best ever manager. I’m getting increasingly frustrated with his game management. Even a more than welcome 3 points in a game that we could have been well out of sight. We sat back and invited them to make for a totally unnecessary close call . (NT) -- CB, Sunday, December 14, 10:42:45am (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
- ESR Resergence -- Crafty Cottager, Sunday, December 14, 08:08:33am (89-197-220-82.virtual1.co.uk/89.197.220.82)
Fair play to ESR's attitude on being dropped for a teenager.. Since he's been back he's showed us why we paid 30 million for him. All we need now is a back up striker.
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- In the thick of it. -- Kimberly-Clark, Sunday, December 14, 07:54:56am (host-92-24-210-86.as13285.net/92.24.210.86)
Up to our neck in Relegation trouble on last night showing. If you say Wolves and Burnley are gone, not too confident we escape the third position. It was painful to watch and with 3 key players away now will it get any better? Marco will certainly prove he’s a top manager if he gets us back on track.The Robinson selection was a gamble (unlike Marco) we got away with it.The Forest and West Ham games are massive they will both beat us on last nights showing.
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- Toon Advisor -- SlimTim, Sunday, December 14, 07:40:27am (92.40.169.217.threembb.co.uk/92.40.169.217)
First ever trip to St James Park this week. Staying over on Wednesday night. Any recommendations of things to do, places to go, good places to eat drink and be merry.
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- Burnley game -- Henry1879, Sunday, December 14, 06:50:57am (82-132-221-53.dab.02.net/82.132.221.53)
Overall not sure about the performance, was imperative we got 3 points, but actually felt we played better v Palace. Might just be a case of we lowered our levels a little given the opposition. Thought Burnley were bad, mid table champ bad, but you can only beat what’s in front of of you. Thought Robbo looked understandably rusty, but grew into the game and what was good to see was even deep into second half he still had that drive and power getting up the pitch. I really don’t know what to say on Bassey, the most erratic, but sometimes brilliant CB I can remember for a long time. One minute he looks like prime maldini driving forward and overpowering players, but overall just so all over the place, seemed to feed into the rest of our team and we looked so disjointed at times. This is also partly due having Iwobi, rather than lukic, next to Berge. Silva has also changed how aggressive we are, our CBs are pushing so high at times (did v palace too) meaning they’re gonna get exposed and we will concede chances. That’s the trade off for getting so many bodies forward and looking like we will score goals, which we currently do; interesting how we have thrown the structure and pragmatism away a little and gone higher risk, push high and get loads of bodies forward, it’s making for some better football to watch than early season.
Wilson just absolute class, honestly can’t think of a player I’d rather have 12-18 yards out on his left foot, it was inevitable and you know he’s good when he says he didn’t want to get it into the corner that much. ESR has a similar knack to Wilson, timing, awareness of space and sniffing out a chance, he continues to grow and show why we paid big money for him. Delighted for Leno, really good solid performance, hope it continues; because as we’ve said; he’s on huge money, it’s unlikely we’d be able to find a taker for him even if we wanted. Raul had some really nice passes again, but just absolutely cooked, almost did from middle of first half, this is a problem silva will have to solve/manage over coming weeks, Raul can’t play 90 every 3 days, he seems to favour King being the most advanced, however ball didn’t stick with him, surprised we didn’t put Traore up there and just hit the channels and play a bit of territory.
Nigerian boys going, huge miss with Chuck (his goals/assists per 90 is absurd) and Iwobi with his experience and versatility. Guess lukic comes in at first, probs not a bad idea against a top level Newcastle midfield. With these issues comes opportunity for others, let’s see Kevin with a run of 4-5 starts on the left and Cuenca should bring some calm back; even if he doesn’t have the athleticism and match defining moments.
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- Re: Burnley game (NT) -- We are not out of a Relegation threat yet., Sunday, December 14, 07:18:51am (host-92-24-210-86.as13285.net/92.24.210.86)
- Burnley cannot be described as 'mid table champ bad' just look at last season, they amassed 100 points and only missed out on winning it by goal difference but the 16 goals they conceded must be pretty high if not the best ever for that division. However, it clearly shows the massive difference between the two divisions. (NT) -- Ted White, Sunday, December 14, 10:50:33am (host109-145-227-215.range109-145.btcentralplus.com/109.145.227.215)
- The Berge I thought we were signing seemed an ideal partner for Lukic; but I have not seen much of that Berge. Looking from a few steps back, if the kind of talented players we have to sign, take as long as ESR to start to bloom, it is a pointer as to how tricky it is to improve on a good season in the following year. (NT) -- Barry@ENF, Sunday, December 14, 11:02:37am (NoHost/90.243.150.208)
- Luke Garbutt -- JoeT, Sunday, December 14, 12:39:09am (cpc96906-walt25-2-0-cust362.13-2.cable.virginm.net/82.13.233.107)
Scores a 94th winning goal for Salford in a 4-3 thriller.
Anyone remember him playing for Fulham?
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- Good for Bernd -- Long Termer, Saturday, December 13, 11:22:03pm (host86-178-227-34.range86-178.btcentralplus.com/86.178.227.34)
Good to see positive messages about Bernd tonight, the 'get rid' or 'drop' or bring in the reserve keeper crowd a bit silent tonight. Great shot stops and anticipation and positioning. Still think he's a top guy!
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- Yes great performance. Alert to come off his line on numerous occasions and one top full-stretch save, the likes of which I wasn't sure we'd ever see from him again! Long may it continue (NT) -- JamieR, Saturday, December 13, 11:47:17pm (232.173.6.51.dyn.plus.net/51.6.173.232)
- Best game from him this season and probably for the last 2. Good to see. All strengths on show and the good low save was luckily some way from the corner. (NT) -- WayneKerrins, Sunday, December 14, 12:49:00am (host86-132-188-33.range86-132.btcentralplus.com/86.132.188.33)
- Fine but it doesn’t show that his critics were wrong . It shows he still has good games in his repertoire . So the highest paid Fulham player has an uneven performance level . (NT) -- alanos, Sunday, December 14, 02:05:32am (82-132-233-5.dab.02.net/82.132.233.5)
- Burnley. What a dump. -- Dodger Mullins., Saturday, December 13, 09:46:03pm (host86-163-74-180.range86-163.btcentralplus.com/86.163.74.180)
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- I actually don't understand why it has such a bad reputation among us, results aside. On my visits I've found decent locally brewed beer at a very cheap price, locals have been very friendly (even in defeat), and I quite enjoy the Georgian/Victorian style of a lot of buildings, granted some are in ruins. (NT) -- MF, Saturday, December 13, 10:38:59pm (NoHost/82.132.185.89)
- Firstly I'm absolutely overjoyed we won.....at last! Secondly I have no problem with the North generally, I'm actually in York at the moment having a nice weekend. Thirdly, Burnley is an utter toilet and fourthly in my 50 plus years of watching Fulham away, their fans are some of the nastiest I have ever met. (NT) -- GTS, Saturday, December 13, 10:56:08pm (NoHost/31.94.62.112)
- ....oh amazing filthy there are few things more fun than that idiot Parker talking about "fine margins" in an interview, and sixth, what the hell was he wearing during the game?? (NT) -- GTS, Saturday, December 13, 11:00:15pm (NoHost/31.94.62.112)
- On your 3rd point, I haven’t been there for years but your description fits my experiences back in the day. Matched Forest and Millwall for sheer unpleasantness. (NT) -- Bexhill Beast, Saturday, December 13, 11:02:50pm (host86-141-94-242.range86-141.btcentralplus.com/86.141.94.242)
- Yep that’s always been my experience as well.Horrible fcukers.We always used to drink out in the sticks. (NT) -- HemelRog, Saturday, December 13, 11:52:46pm (5e04ef25.bb.isp.sky.com/94.4.239.37)
- In a lifetime of watching football, Turf Moor is the only ground I left early out of concern for my (then) very young son. It seemed like running a gauntlet outside what appeared to be endless home pubs on the way from the station. Awful people - at least then (NT) -- Barry@ENF, Sunday, December 14, 12:29:59am (NoHost/90.243.150.208)
- Actually think the people here are rounded and actually quite decent, burnley centre is not a looker but love the area to the west and north east, forest of bowland, Pendle hills, hebden bridge etc (NT) -- Greenpole, Saturday, December 13, 11:55:29pm (NoHost/213.122.31.157)
- The best thing about Burnley is the M65 to the glorious Yorkshire Dales (NT) -- CB, Sunday, December 14, 10:33:28am (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
- Andre of Wolverhampton -- Kimberly-Clark, Saturday, December 13, 09:27:20pm (host-92-24-210-86.as13285.net/92.24.210.86)
A class act tonight.
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- AFCON -- Jimmy Hill's Chin, Saturday, December 13, 09:09:46pm (NoHost/176.248.211.130)
So if our Nigerian lads get to the Final that should be 6 league games. Forest and West Ham definitely winnable plus Leeds away (maybe) pick up a point at Brighton and I would be a very happy boy. So 8-10 points is achievable. However, what an opportunity for Cuenca to come in and fight for a starting spot for when Calvin comes back. I think he's decent, IMHO better than Anderson who was poor again today.
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- A win for the ages. Your dad, uncle, brother, sister, mother will be so proud for this win -- Jimbo, Saturday, December 13, 08:33:46pm (NoHost/37.60.107.199)
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- Summer rebuild -- Samuel, Saturday, December 13, 08:20:57pm (NoHost/83.106.75.64)
Looking at the fixtures and current form, I think we'll avoid the drop this season. Wolves have already gone and the Christmas fixtures don't read too kindly for Burnley. And if Forest lose to Tottenham tomorrow and we continue our traditional win against them the following Monday, it's Mancity next. So they could realistically lose their next 3 games. Westham are also balancing on the edge of quicksand. We would have to totally capitulate to get dragged into the elegation places.
We will require major spinal surgery next summer. A new keeper, Central defender, Central midfielder and Striker should be the priority if we have ambitions to push on next season.
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- Lots to like; but two things more than anything else. -- eganonoa, Saturday, December 13, 08:18:02pm (NoHost/159.26.101.55)
A number of nice things today: Wilson showing true cutting edge despite not having much of the ball; ESR with his fourth good showing in a row; Leno making a large number of critical interventions; Raul doing a pretty amazing Harry Kane dropping deep playmaking impression.
But two things I thought really stood out as possibly indicating some real joy to come because of the longer-term tactical impact:
1. Robinson: He may not have had his best ever match for us, but he made it the full 90 minutes, made an incredible pass for the second, and, most importantly, showed why he's so important to us going forward. With the natural width he provided ESR and Chuckwaeze were freed up to roam. They were popping up all over the pitch, causing Burnley fits. And Bassey looked so much more comfortable playing the ball out than he did with Castagne always looking to cut inside (natural for him as a right footer). And that was all because of what Robinson's pure width provides.
2. Berge: I absolutely love having him drop between Andersen and Bassey in the build up, with them basically converting a a three at the back and playing through him in the middle. We've seen a bit of this of late, but today was the most clear we've seen it. We look so much more incisive going forward with him in that role. He's getting the ball more often facing forwards, allowing him to dictate play. And with him sitting back and providing the cover Bassey and Andersen were encouraged to make even more quality forward passing.
If we can keep building on that, getting the muscle memory in place with this system, I think we're going to have an excellent 2nd half to the season.
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- I agree with all that but there was one big negative which was defensive sloppiness. Actually awful play at times. Better teams would have punished us and probably defended our goals better. Happy with three points but a lot needs to be done better. (NT) -- The Man With No Name, Saturday, December 13, 08:25:25pm (host81-141-119-135.range81-141.btcentralplus.com/81.141.119.135)
- Brilliant to lay that boggie to rest but defensively we were horrendous (NT) -- The Drobe, Saturday, December 13, 08:37:18pm (host109-147-10-80.range109-147.btcentralplus.com/109.147.10.80)
- Re: Lots to like; but two things more than anything else. (NT) -- Unpressured passing awful, Saturday, December 13, 08:43:20pm (NoHost/31.94.16.35)
- Berge has been so much better in the past few weeks. Using his size to good effect to carry the ball forwards and passing so much more progressive. See our third goal. Not sure why he can do it when Iwobi's next to him but not Lukic (NT) -- JamieR, Saturday, December 13, 11:08:58pm (232.173.6.51.dyn.plus.net/51.6.173.232)
- Correction -- MF, Saturday, December 13, 08:16:34pm (NoHost/82.132.184.169)
LDLLDLLLLLLLDDLLLLLLDLLLLLLLLDLLDDW
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- From the terraces tonight. We are in for Norgaard from Arsenal -- Alex FM, Saturday, December 13, 08:10:51pm (NoHost/109.78.141.45)
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- burnley -- red kev, Saturday, December 13, 08:01:25pm (NoHost/206.245.206.124)
A reality check. Our defence was poor. Robinson did not look match fit. The back four looked like they didn't know eachother and Robbo did not look match fit. They should all buy Leno are beer tonight for saving them from embarrassment.
moving the ball from defence to mid to the front was laboured with too many sideways passes.
Harry easily man of the match for me. We won! 43 points and half way to safety...
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- Burnley 2 - Fulham 3 tomorrows papers will confirm it. -- 3 points .Thats all that matters., Saturday, December 13, 07:56:42pm (2e409ff7.skybroadband.com/46.64.159.247)
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- At last -- Depressed, Saturday, December 13, 07:35:00pm (host-78-149-190-10.as13285.net/78.149.190.10)
A win at Burnley.
In all honesty it did not sound like a convincing performance against a poor team hit by injuries and suspensions
I wonder if Marco will put out a full strength team against Newcastle in view of our league position?
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- Well played Harry, but! -- John, Saturday, December 13, 07:34:18pm (c145-207.i06-5.onvol.net/77.71.145.207)
We sure did our best to throw the win away?
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- A much needed 3 points ...... but ! -- Gary Elkins Shin Pad, Saturday, December 13, 07:33:00pm (233.219.198.146.dyn.plus.net/146.198.219.233)
Bloody hell, we were terrible in that second half, a better side than Burnley would have murdered us tonight,
Maybe before the next game we can introduce the four defenders to each other before they leave the dressing room,
Great to have the points but that was hard work against a Championship side.
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- That was ugly -- JoeT, Saturday, December 13, 07:32:13pm (cpc96906-walt25-2-0-cust362.13-2.cable.virginm.net/82.13.233.107)
But 3 points and at long fucking last we win at Turf Moor. Harry was so good today, Iwobi's passing a bit erratic, Berge solid and Leno helped us out so much tonight.
Burnley were awful but defensive lapses still gave them goals. I was fearful every time Robinson got the ball in the first half and the gap between him and Bassey for their equaliser was huge. Just knew it would lead to a goal. Got to tighten up defensively, gave away to many chances to a goal shy Burnley. Anyway, massively relieved. Forget the performance, remember the win.
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- Grateful for 3 points -- Fulham Si, Saturday, December 13, 07:31:24pm (static-80-177-78-58.vodafonexdsl.co.uk/80.177.78.58)
But never felt so deflated after a win!
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- Defensively awful. thank god for Leno today -- View from the Riverside, Saturday, December 13, 07:30:23pm (static-84-9-58-207.vodafonexdsl.co.uk/84.9.58.207)
That was terrible. There was a team that is already down pretty much, off of 7 straight losses before today. Our back four looked awful - indecisive, lacking in concentration, such poor passing out of defence. The amount of times we gave the ball away trying to play out of defence. We need a kick up the ass because against Forest we will lose if we don't improve. Cuenca will come in who is more composed but Tete and Robinson! wow awful
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- Tete looked fine to me. But Robinson way out of his depth. Need Sessegnon back in. (NT) -- ., Saturday, December 13, 07:32:00pm (33C6B685.skybroadband.com/51.198.182.133)
- That wonder team NF. (NT) -- HemelRog, Saturday, December 13, 07:32:47pm (5e04ef25.bb.isp.sky.com/94.4.239.37)
- Re: Defensively awful. thank god for Leno today (NT) -- Marco got away with picking Robinson, Saturday, December 13, 07:34:15pm (host-92-24-210-86.as13285.net/92.24.210.86)
- Jedi looked rusty and will improve. Bassey was not looking as composed. Leno was the difference and of his best recent performances. I love Bassey and wonder if mind slightly off today thinking about Afcon. (NT) -- MartinC, Saturday, December 13, 07:35:19pm (host86-147-223-175.range86-147.btcentralplus.com/86.147.223.175)
- Not sure what Tete did wrong. (NT) -- Pablo, Saturday, December 13, 07:42:29pm (2e4098d2.skybroadband.com/46.64.152.210)
- Leno…..MOTM -- Ffc, Saturday, December 13, 07:22:32pm (97e1e3d2.skybroadband.com/151.225.227.210)
Says it all really
Our defence is woefully crap
This performance tonight fills you with dread for the rest of the season
not confidence……and three of this team disappear for weeks now
The kid from B Munich must be terrible if he can’t get on the pitch for
The awful walking Raul….
Another painful painful watch tonight
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- This was an embarrassing performance if it for Leno they'd of won this considering burnley looked atrocious they gave us a game silva has to go and we have to invest in jan (NT) -- silva out, Saturday, December 13, 07:27:41pm (NoHost/147.93.215.217)
- If that is how Robinson is going to play then let’s hope we can get a bit of cash for him in January. Absolutely woeful. (NT) -- ., Saturday, December 13, 07:29:33pm (33C6B685.skybroadband.com/51.198.182.133)
- Re: Leno…..MOTM (NT) -- 74 years of pain (Released), Saturday, December 13, 07:31:59pm (host-92-24-210-86.as13285.net/92.24.210.86)
- Raul looked down after 25 mins. I just don't understand the thinking of not give that kid or indeed any kid from the reserves a run out. King was anonymous (NT) -- View from the Riverside, Saturday, December 13, 07:32:24pm (static-84-9-58-207.vodafonexdsl.co.uk/84.9.58.207)
- Not an issue bassey is going, he's as poor a defender as we have. Iwobi was awful tonight too. Jedi needs some games, clearly. Kusu a sari was ill, hence not playing. (NT) -- Jim©, Saturday, December 13, 07:32:31pm (host86-171-5-119.range86-171.btcentralplus.com/86.171.5.119)
- First game back what do you expect? (NT) -- Doh, Saturday, December 13, 07:32:36pm (host86-150-245-114.range86-150.btcentralplus.com/86.150.245.114)
- Was their goal offside? No VAR or ? Given we work in mm. -- CB, Saturday, December 13, 06:29:57pm (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
BTW we should be out of sight, we try to be too clever.
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- How easy are we to score against -- Ffc, Saturday, December 13, 05:53:22pm (97e1e3d2.skybroadband.com/151.225.227.210)
3 passes and your through us
Rubbish
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- Top cardigan work by the opposition manager. -- The Lurker, Saturday, December 13, 05:37:34pm (92.40.196.112.threembb.co.uk/92.40.196.112)
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- Jedi -- Don’t tell him Pike, Saturday, December 13, 05:25:35pm (host-92-24-210-86.as13285.net/92.24.210.86)
Very unlike Marco to risk a selection like this obviously he’s thinking what a important match this could turnout to be.
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- I don’t want to be negative at all because I think we are on the up but…. -- Fulham Si, Saturday, December 13, 05:08:56pm (static-80-177-78-58.vodafonexdsl.co.uk/80.177.78.58)
It does concern me that we can’t manage to have any kind of back up striker in the bench. If Raul can’t perform or be as effective as we need him to be then it might be time to play Kevin and Samu on the wings and play Wilson in a false 9, like he sometimes does for Wales.
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- I find it odd that we imagine players can't adapt to a different role temporarily. (NT) -- CB, Saturday, December 13, 05:13:40pm (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
- Wilson is an option and JKA of course. But I'd love to see Sess tried up there. He's strong and likely would be better at the hold up play. And he's got all the movement and finishing skills to be a fox-in-the-box striker for us. (NT) -- eganonoa, Saturday, December 13, 05:15:43pm (NoHost/159.26.101.55)
- Raul doesn’t perform. He is just all we have got. He is useless and lazy. (NT) -- ., Saturday, December 13, 07:30:36pm (33C6B685.skybroadband.com/51.198.182.133)
- Why have aback up striker, when we have our joke No9 Adama Traore. (NT) -- MWKent, Saturday, December 13, 08:13:04pm (host-80-46-1-168.as13285.net/80.46.1.168)
- Jedi in starting 11 . COYW!! -- CB, Saturday, December 13, 04:25:58pm (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
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- 1 Leno 2 Tete 5 Andersen 3 Bassey 33 Robinson 16 Berge 17 Iwobi 8 Wilson 32 Smith Rowe 19 Chukwueze 7 Jiménez Substitutes 6 Reed 10 Cairney 11 Traoré 15 Cuenca 20 Lukić 21 Castagne 22 Kevin 23 Lecomte 24 King (NT) -- CB, Saturday, December 13, 04:35:15pm (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
- Well that's absolutely huge. (NT) -- eganonoa, Saturday, December 13, 04:55:24pm (NoHost/159.26.101.55)
- Only if he’s fit . Didn’t sound like he’d been working with the team much (NT) -- alanos, Saturday, December 13, 04:58:24pm (82-132-233-5.dab.02.net/82.132.233.5)
- It’s a conspiracy I tell Ya. (NT) -- HemelRog, Saturday, December 13, 05:02:25pm (5e04ef25.bb.isp.sky.com/94.4.239.37)
- No, seems perhaps a bit early with no game time. Silva is making some very odd decisions of late. (NT) -- Cutler 22, Saturday, December 13, 05:02:26pm (NoHost/150.228.61.71)
- Think he’d only make the bench today if Sess were fit . (NT) -- Mickey, Saturday, December 13, 05:03:59pm (82-132-229-33.dab.02.net/82.132.229.33)
- Needs must. I hope he gets through unscathed. Maybe at 2/3-0 up we coan sub him. (NT) -- CB, Saturday, December 13, 05:09:52pm (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
- Share your hope. A fully-fit Robinson is doubly important with the AFCON departures, as it means Sess can be played further forward and we don't need to worry about pushing Cuenca or Castagne to left-back. Four wide players of Kevin, Sess, Wilson and Traore and a defensive squad of Robinson, Sess, Castagne, Tete, Andersen, Diop and Cuenca isn't bad at all. Everything looks so much better with Robinson back! (NT) -- eganonoa, Saturday, December 13, 05:13:42pm (NoHost/159.26.101.55)
- the next ten days are going to be the most important of the season -- View from the Riverside, Saturday, December 13, 11:58:01am (static-84-9-58-207.vodafonexdsl.co.uk/84.9.58.207)
Lose to Burnley and we are in a relegation battle. Yes I know we have not won since the 50s but time to correct that. They are a weakened team and we should win. Then onto the cup... I think with them stretched by Europe and trying to rise up the table we can get a result up there - by which I mean a draw and Pens - then who knows. Then back to the Cottage and we need to beat Forest.
If we beat them then we should have enough space between us and the relegation zone. If at the end of the week we are out of the cup and in the relegation zone then we really need to think can Silva take us any further. We need to give who ever is coming in time to shop around during the window.
Our form across the end of last season and this season so far is so far below what is acceptable based on what we have spent and I just wonder how long the owners patience will last
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- Think theres enough reason to be optimistic. Despite losing African players, form of ESR/Kevin improving, Robinson back in contention. A deep rin a Cup always gives a boost to general moral (NT) -- bs, Saturday, December 13, 12:09:46pm (NoHost/2.126.48.26)
- Far worse teams than us.We will stay up hopefully.As everything I suppose it will depend on getting a bit more rub of the green. (NT) -- HemelRog, Saturday, December 13, 12:15:57pm (5e04ef25.bb.isp.sky.com/94.4.239.37)
- Agree with all of that. Would love to get through on Wednesday night. (NT) -- FFC in Brighton., Saturday, December 13, 12:59:55pm (82-132-223-200.dab.02.net/82.132.223.200)
- You need to go to specsavers if you think Kevin is improving he is league 1 standard . We need to loan him out to the championship just like United did with Diallo (NT) -- Button, Saturday, December 13, 02:52:40pm (NoHost/148.252.141.18)
- Coyw! -- Operation turf moor, Saturday, December 13, 06:55:49am (NoHost/205.147.17.24)
LDLLDLLLLLLLDDLLLLLLDLLLLLLLLDLLDD?
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- If we can't beat this lot now, particularly with the Parker motivation and their injury/suspension issues, we never will. This is also the last chance before we lose a trio of our best players to field the strongest and most dynamic team we've seen in a while. Silva now knows our best starting 11 and it should be more than enough to take maximum points against this version of Burnley, who are effectively a championship team in waiting. (NT) -- Samuel, Saturday, December 13, 08:18:20am (NoHost/83.106.75.64)
- But that's the question. does he really know our best team, or is he influenced by outdated tactics, favouritism (NT) -- Ken, Saturday, December 13, 11:24:25am (82-132-229-19.dab.02.net/82.132.229.19)
- No excuses today, VAR/refs/luck/fans, doesn’t matter, go out and win the game of football and deal with the adversity if/when it comes. No excuses about transfers or lack of anything, we should be cruising past this Burnley team with what they’ll be able to put out. (NT) -- Henry1879, Saturday, December 13, 11:42:15am (cpc113812-lea23-2-0-cust213.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.26.216.214)
- Henry and Samuel are just other handles Eganonoa’s psy-ops team . Samuel has given up demanding we sell Muniz for whatever we can get in his every post and instead copies me in criticising the Kevin deal and the attempted Andre’ deal , but only now not when they were about to happen . (NT) -- alanos, Saturday, December 13, 12:05:19pm (82-132-233-5.dab.02.net/82.132.233.5)
- I'm not even bothering to watch it, we never win there, I'll just check my phone about 7.30 and see how big the margin of defeat was. I'm not generally a pessimist but this one, just no chance. (NT) -- GTS, Saturday, December 13, 02:40:56pm (NoHost/31.94.62.19)
- You and me both! (NT) -- .., Saturday, December 13, 05:20:48pm (host86-142-96-105.range86-142.btcentralplus.com/86.142.96.105)
- [Record] Patrick Dippel, former chief scout at Basel and analyst at Hamburg and Bayern, is appointed as Fulham's new chief scout. -- Alex FM, Friday, December 12, 03:29:30pm (NoHost/109.78.170.182)
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- Rub of the green -- Jari's Mullet, Friday, December 12, 11:18:57am (198.red-79-153-11.dynamicip.rima-tde.net/79.153.11.198)
2 dodgy VAR decisions against ManU...1 dodgy VAR decision against Chelsea (maybe 2 because I have seen similar penalties like the one against Sess NOT given)...2 wonder goals from Bournemouth...toenail offside against Palace...plus other stuff that I had forgotten.
Just saying.
But for me VAR has killed the enjoyment.
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- Yep, 100% agree. VAR was meant to stop the divers, not to draw a line across the pitch to prove that a player is 1cm offside! -- TC, Friday, December 12, 12:02:05pm (31-221-48-155.cust-31.exponential-e.net/31.221.48.155)
- Offside should be daylight between the players. (NT) -- GA, Friday, December 12, 01:53:07pm (ool-18b90125.dyn.optonline.net/24.185.1.37)
- King adjudged simulation at Villa plus Cash's handball both not given. Even the penalty at Brighton was pretty soft. (NT) -- Long Termer, Friday, December 12, 03:35:11pm (host86-178-227-34.range86-178.btcentralplus.com/86.178.227.34)
- It was supposed to be 'clear and obvious errors' not something that happened minutes ago and may or may not have been something nobody noticed at the time, then takes 5 minutes to work out if it happened or not. (NT) -- .., Saturday, December 13, 05:24:58pm (host86-142-96-105.range86-142.btcentralplus.com/86.142.96.105)
- Kusi-Asare -- Andrew in Bath, Thursday, December 11, 11:54:33pm (33C6D3d4.skybroadband.com/51.198.211.212)
Jimenez, full of heart he may be, but full of running for 90 minutes, he is not.
K-A may we be young, inexperienced, and untried but age will be remedied by time, inexperience dealt with by minutes on the pitch, and with the latter we’ll never know until he plays. For me, he should start, as youthful enthusiasm is never to be underestimated, and given our recent travails up front, what’s to lose?!
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- Maybe 30mins Saturday and start in the league game against Newcastle next Wednesday ? (NT) -- alanos, Friday, December 12, 01:39:31am (82-132-232-6.dab.02.net/82.132.232.6)
- He's been Ill this week. (NT) -- GA, Friday, December 12, 02:41:13am (ool-18b90125.dyn.optonline.net/24.185.1.37)
- I used to think in this over optimistic way about young players. In the past it was easier for a decent youngster to break through. Consider the Malcolm MacDonald era? However I don't think it's so easy now, not with the influx of established, quality foreign players. Don't forget Jimenez's quality assist for Harry's goal last Sunday, or the way his pressing lead to our 2nd goal against Spurs. Tired and slowing he maybe, quality in important moments, he still has in abundance. (NT) -- Mr Kurkuruza, Friday, December 12, 09:36:05am (217-155-46-35.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk/217.155.46.35)
- Such a tricky one. I was adamant that Jiminez needed to come off earlier in the last two games, even if KA is completely untested. However, Burnley is such a massive game and one where we need experience. Lose this match and the landscape at the bottom looks quite different for us. I feel this game is going to tight and tense; not sure I'd through KA on in that type of situation. However, we all know Jiminez won't last the 90. (NT) -- Neil G, Friday, December 12, 11:19:30am (NoHost/62.64.164.110)
- Raul HAD to go off against Palace. There was no justifying keeping a player on the pitch when he was clearly injured an unable to contribute. If Silva didn't want to bring Kusi-Asare on, he could've put Traore up there, or Cuenca, Lecomte or any of the uninjured professional footballers from the bench. Even if they're out of position, an uninjured player is more useful than an injured one (NT) -- Pavlov's dog, Friday, December 12, 12:43:18pm (NoHost/130.255.28.185)
- Left back. -- The Lurker, Thursday, December 11, 08:20:33pm (92.40.196.243.threembb.co.uk/92.40.196.243)
Sess and Robbo still out.
Do we stick with Timmy at LB, who did his best but didn't look comfortable, or stick one of CBass or Cuenca there, as left sided players?
I'd go CBass at LB and stick Cuenca in the middle alongside Diop but only because a Joa/Cuenca pairing might be a bit slow.
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- I'd b happy with Bassey at left back and Diop next to him. Diop's played both LCB and RCB for us and done well. Agree, I'd be a bit concerned with Cuenca and Andersen. (NT) -- eganonoa, Thursday, December 11, 08:33:05pm (unn-154-47-22-67.datapacket.com/154.47.22.67)
- It actually says on the official that Robinson could be in contention for the Burnley game... (NT) -- dd, Thursday, December 11, 09:33:25pm (NoHost/90.213.242.75)
- I'd prefer Calvin at left back and Jorge at left centre. Timmy tends to wander into the centre and leaves huge gaps out wide. (NT) -- Mike T, Friday, December 12, 09:52:51am (host81-153-224-224.range81-153.btcentralplus.com/81.153.224.224)
- Castagne plays LB for Belgium and probably will in world cup (NT) -- Waterboy, Saturday, December 13, 12:38:30pm (NoHost/148.252.133.48)
- What did you think of Marco's pre match interview? Inspired? Morose? Heart elseswhere? Concerned? -- RR, Thursday, December 11, 07:18:22pm (NoHost/104.220.143.92)
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- Find me a worse record than this and you win a Christmas prize -- Thofokoz, Thursday, December 11, 05:21:11pm (82-132-233-237.dab.02.net/82.132.233.237)
For statisticians out there ;
Is there a worse record of one club in a particular stadium as bad as Fulham at turf moor?
Since 1951 we have lost 24 times and drawn 9 with 0 wins. Burnley are not one of the top guns so I challenge you to find a more incredible record in English football history. Perhaps there is something equivalent or worse but I doubt it...
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- Very confident we will win on Saturday. 2-0 Fulham (NT) -- dd, Thursday, December 11, 05:46:01pm (NoHost/90.213.242.75)
- How about Arsenal away….W0, D7, L26 (NT) -- Bad Boy, Thursday, December 11, 06:26:13pm (NoHost/2.222.160.125)
- Re: Find me a worse record than this and you win a Christmas prize (NT) -- Burnley were a top team in the 60s but your right, Thursday, December 11, 06:29:43pm (host-92-24-210-86.as13285.net/92.24.210.86)
- Even lost 2-0 when Burnley had ZERO shots on goal! (NT) -- bs, Thursday, December 11, 06:30:05pm (NoHost/2.126.48.26)
- Tottenham……didn’t win at Anfeld for 43 visits …march 1912 to March 1985 (NT) -- Ffc, Thursday, December 11, 06:46:01pm (97e1e3d2.skybroadband.com/151.225.227.210)
- Our record at Anfield was appalling until 01st May 2012...still the only time we have won there in front of fans. (NT) -- Barney Travers, Friday, December 12, 01:17:28pm (host-80-193-247-211.static.cable.virginmedia.com/80.193.247.211)
- It is interesting to note that in 1951 when we won 2-1, Burnley scored all three goals - very Fulhamish! (NT) -- Jonathan Baines, Saturday, December 13, 05:17:36am (cust-51.179.192.207.cgn.as5482.net/51.179.192.207)
- West Ham tickets -- White Eagle, Thursday, December 11, 05:15:16pm (host31-53-144-131.range31-53.btcentralplus.com/31.53.144.131)
My tickets don't have a scan code on them
Is this Ok?
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- No how would you get in. I'm expecting them to send paper tickets (NT) -- Other c, Thursday, December 11, 05:33:30pm (4e562285.skybroadband.com/78.86.34.133)
- I think the Tix R sent out via Email 7 days B4 the match (NT) -- FlitwickFulham, Thursday, December 11, 05:54:55pm (flit-04-b2-v4wan-169180-cust2921.vm32.cable.virginm.net/81.96.171.106)
- Mine are the same (NT) -- Edward Winston Malone, Thursday, December 11, 08:32:34pm (cpc115214-nmal23-2-0-cust962.19-2.cable.virginm.net/81.109.79.195)
- I found this NFC Ticketing: The stadium primarily uses Near Field Communication (NFC) for entry, meaning you tap your phone to the reader like a contactless payment card, and a visible barcode isn't necessary for entry. (NT) -- Button, Thursday, December 11, 09:14:23pm (nmal-23-b2-v4wan-169190-cust1261.vm24.cable.virginm.net/80.5.116.238)
- Jamie Vardy on loan as super sub could help rescue us? On fire in Itsly -- Alex FM, Thursday, December 11, 02:40:42pm (NoHost/51.37.9.62)
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- Christ. Has it got that desperate? (NT) -- dd, Thursday, December 11, 02:44:57pm (NoHost/90.213.242.75)
- Didn't know he was playing in Serie A. Delighted for him that it's going well. 38 and still banging them in (NT) -- Fkev, Thursday, December 11, 03:51:44pm (NoHost/57.133.213.87)
- What about Carlos Vinicius in Serie A strutting his stuff….14 appearances, 12 goals + 1 assist, 2 yellows & 1 red. Wow. If only…… (NT) -- Bad Boy, Thursday, December 11, 04:17:35pm (NoHost/2.222.160.125)
- On the other board -- alanos, Wednesday, December 10, 11:45:45pm (82-132-235-33.dab.02.net/82.132.235.33)
People are saying sell Josh King for £30-40m as it would ‘help out ‘ There you have a likely explanation of why Marco Silva wanted us to spaff 40m euro on Kevin .And why he made those ludicrous substitutions on Saturday , keeping on an exhausted Raul and taking off the layers most likely to score . First time there has been almost total agreement among the fans (about the subs ) . Marco is off , in more senses than one . If he can leave having swapped a Kevin for a King so much the better from his point of view , seemingly. Any other explanation would require the supposition that he’s an idiot . And he ain’t no idiot
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- The only people saying sell King are inside your head Al.Stranger and stranger. (NT) -- HemelRog, Thursday, December 11, 02:41:52am (5e04ef25.bb.isp.sky.com/94.4.239.37)
- May the gods help us from conspiracy nutters (NT) -- FKing, Thursday, December 11, 07:11:22am (NoHost/80.233.72.72)
- If Silva wants out he can resign now - he doesn't need to manoeuvre. When he leaves he'll get job offers but if he oversees a Fulham relegation they won't be from the big clubs. (NT) -- The Man With No Name, Thursday, December 11, 08:22:49am (host81-141-119-135.range81-141.btcentralplus.com/81.141.119.135)
- Two things. In today's market, King is worth more like £80m. And Silva is not trying to lose matches - crazy suggestion (NT) -- Fkev, Thursday, December 11, 08:51:05am (NoHost/57.133.213.87)
- I am worried that our Josh is getting less effective every game. He is clearly targeted by the opposition thugs and gets no protection from refs. (NT) -- Al, Thursday, December 11, 08:57:10am (cust-141.195.147.146.customers.as5482.net/141.195.147.146)
- Probably sacrilege I know, but I've seen reports that we may let Wilson go in January - if he left and say Tyrique George came in that would probably make sense as it was in the works at the end of the summer window... (NT) -- dd, Thursday, December 11, 09:57:43am (NoHost/90.213.242.75)
- Holy Moses! -- Goss, Wednesday, December 10, 09:16:55pm (2e409ff7.skybroadband.com/46.64.159.247)
Silva still Kean on him
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- Burnley on Saturday -- Ffc, Wednesday, December 10, 05:47:23pm (97e1e3d2.skybroadband.com/151.225.227.210)
From the Burnley Express News Paper
Team news for Saturday…..8 out injured ….1 doubtful…..3 suspended
If ever there was a day too bury the hoodoo
But will Fulham FC turn up ?
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- It doesn't seem to make any difference what team turns out for Burnley. It's Turf Moor and how will Marco approach this one? Chuk, King, Kevin.? Extra impetus is Scott for me anyway. 3 points here we come. (NT) -- CB, Wednesday, December 10, 06:16:41pm (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
- The details relate to collateral damage for both sides (and included Robbo & Muniz injured and Sess the doubt) The only Burnley player in the list of any consequence is Kyle Walker. Otherwise the Burnley players are of little, or no, consequence (NT) -- Bad Boy, Wednesday, December 10, 07:09:28pm (NoHost/2.222.160.125)
- Lose against Burnley and Silva will almost certainly be on shaky ground, especially given their extensive squad problems and it being the last match before we lose a trio of our best players to the African cup. We should be at full strength and Burnley will be looking down the back of the sofa for players. No excuses - it's a must win. (NT) -- Samuel, Wednesday, December 10, 08:00:15pm (NoHost/83.106.75.64)
- Agree. Moreover, if we can't beat Burnley this season, with their current injury crisis, do we deserve to be in this division.... (NT) -- Fkev, Thursday, December 11, 08:41:56am (NoHost/57.133.213.87)
- FST -- OJ, Wednesday, December 10, 03:35:34pm (185-100-234-254.hosted-by-worldstream.net/185.100.234.254)
Questions remain - arguments, dodgy voting , exposed committee members.
Do they represent the fans anymore? And if this is deleted it’s even more dodgy.
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- Smith - Rowe substitution Sunday. -- Mr Kurkuruza, Wednesday, December 10, 12:29:22pm (217-155-46-35.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk/217.155.46.35)
I still think it was a mistake to remove ESR from the game when he did. He had just scored a goal chalked out by VAR. Seems to me like poor management of the player by MS. However, looking at the highlights I noticed that ESR switched off concentrating on Wharton's positioning, and this arguably lead to Palace's first goal. Is this the issue with ESR. that he lacks the application and concentration?
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- Although both number 10s, king and ESR have quite distinct strengths. I believe silva started picking king a lot due to his work rate and ability get around the pitch, little like AP, but his end product has been lacking. ESR for me is better at finding pockets in tight spaces, getting in scoring positions and has better end product. I wonder is king big & strong enough to play bit deeper, Wharton started as a very attacking mid before moving back. (NT) -- Henry1879, Wednesday, December 10, 01:51:09pm (cpc113812-lea23-2-0-cust213.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.26.216.214)
- It's a very interesting question. His defensive output is actually superior to any of our other attacking midfielders and wide forwards. More tackles and blocks per 90 than any of them, and actually has more tackles per 90 in the middle third of the pitch than anyone in the team but Tete. Other than Aerial Duels, his defensive numbers are actual not that far off Berge's and are far superior to anything Andreas put up. (NT) -- eganonoa, Wednesday, December 10, 02:15:05pm (NoHost/195.222.49.31)
- No. he's far from big or strong enough for that role. Whilst stats may say he makes tackles, most of them are nipping in at speed. He's out muscled every game at the moment. I'm sure that'll change but for the moment it's a massive no from me. (NT) -- Jim© The Devon IP, Wednesday, December 10, 04:10:34pm (62-64-192-58.virtual1.co.uk/62.64.192.58)
- Tend to agree, think he’s too lightweight as it stands, Berge would be overrun in the middle if he had to play with king and ESR, Iwobi gets outmuscled at times and we defo look quite open, although far more fluent going forward, when he plays next to Berge. I only see lukic as a backup player as it stands, he looks way off the quality needed, it’s defo an area we need someone in, Hackney has looked good when I’ve watched Boro this season. (NT) -- Henry1879, Wednesday, December 10, 04:28:46pm (cpc113812-lea23-2-0-cust213.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.26.216.214)
- I don't disagree. He's too slight. My point only is that he's showing defensive chops. I don't think it's just stats; you can see it on the field. His off the ball work rate is impressive. He has taken over leading the press in the way Andreas did better than we ever got out of ESR last year, which is why I think he was keeping ESR out. That doesn't mean that he will work further back. Only that he is at least showing something that could mean it might work were he to fill out. (NT) -- eganonoa, Wednesday, December 10, 04:35:51pm (NoHost/195.222.49.31)
- I think he will be able to move back once he "grows up" a bit. The difference in the size of sess pre and post tottingham was ridiculous. Looked like he had become a proper man. 3 or 4 years and king should be there or thereabouts (NT) -- Jimmy Hill's Chin, Thursday, December 11, 12:01:55pm (NoHost/176.248.211.130)
- Smith Rowe scored 10 a season for Arsenal albeit once but that is far more than our wide options have managed at the top level. King is just starting out, only the 1 cup goal so far which is a little light for that position as we found with Perreira contributions (NT) -- Waterboy, Wednesday, December 10, 03:06:01pm (NoHost/84.69.18.104)
- Think ESR is showing exactly what he can do for us. His movement off the ball first touch are all excellent and he has an eye for goal. What Marco will want is more consistency and starting more games will give him that opportunity. Josh King is an exciting young talent. He likes to play forward which is a plus. He has good pace and good dribbling skills. I believe Bergh and Iwobi currently are our strongest middle two. I can see a time in the future with King and ESr together in the side (NT) -- Alboy, Wednesday, December 10, 08:20:37pm (NoHost/109.181.91.35)
- Yoanne Wissa will not travel to AFCON as he wants to play for Newcastle instead... -- p, Wednesday, December 10, 12:23:45pm (host81-133-110-86.in-addr.btopenworld.com/81.133.110.86)
So come on Alex, Calvin and Samuel, you know what to do...we need you!
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- Will Iwobi, Bassey and Chukwueze be available for the match against the bar codes next week or will they have departed for the AFCON by then ? -- FFC In Brighton., Wednesday, December 10, 06:32:34am (NoHost/2.120.137.10)
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- Waste -- Eerwah, Wednesday, December 10, 05:44:27am (NoHost/168.140.254.117)
Lifting a significant trophy could make MS a Fulham Legend. It will also generate much energy, respect and interest in club hospitality and the various commercial aspects. For the first time in F.F.C. history, the powers that be appear inclined to invest without the need for stripping assets. The setting for making a success is there to be had much like on field opportunity to gain initiative by offense transition realising tactical nous. However, what FFC customer fans are getting is more likely to dampen interest, create speculative head coach suggestions and look ahead at the joys of Championship football.
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- SCR RULES are going to the smaller premier league teams the most . Fulham have no head room to spend in January as the rules start next season and we are at our maximum head room the only way around it would be to sell King for maximum profit and get the high wage players off the books Jimenez , Adama , Leno , Cairney , Diop -- Button, Tuesday, December 09, 01:05:03pm (nmal-23-b2-v4wan-169190-cust1261.vm24.cable.virginm.net/80.5.116.238)
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- That’s The Spirit ! (NT) -- Positive Pugwash, Tuesday, December 09, 01:14:05pm (NoHost/148.252.133.25)
- Jimenez, Traore, Cairney and Reed get us miles under the threshold. And there's a 30% allowance in season one to allow clubs to align. We can spend in January. (NT) -- Same Old Story, Tuesday, December 09, 01:40:54pm (NoHost/84.66.55.127)
- That is rubbish !we had bids on the last day of the window of £23m plus turned down and there is money to spend. Usual crap from you. Why lie? (NT) -- G, Tuesday, December 09, 01:40:56pm (82-132-228-79.dab.02.net/82.132.228.79)
- if alonso gets the spanish archer -- baz, Tuesday, December 09, 10:46:41am (p57b47f96.dip0.t-ipconnect.de/87.180.127.150)
from real.....would you take him if "hi ho" silva was away?
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- is this the BEST time EVER to be a FULHAM fan?s -- Danagerous Dams, Tuesday, December 09, 09:40:26am (ns31365890.ip-135-125-97.eu/135.125.97.56)
overlooked amongst the doom and gloom
butt ARENT we in the mingst of a 5 game run of TELIVISED Fulham FC ties?
yes 6 (six) games LIVE on NATIONAL TV
no streams no vpns needed.
simple 6 (six) fulham matches LIVE on TV
coyws
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- Re: is this the BEST time EVER to be a FULHAM fan?s (NT) -- No, lost 7 out of last 10. Relegation form., Tuesday, December 09, 10:12:24am (host86-163-74-180.range86-163.btcentralplus.com/86.163.74.180)
- are we going to lose all 6 live tv games ? (NT) -- fulhamoldfart, Tuesday, December 09, 10:27:46am (cpc160099-nmal26-2-0-cust468.19-2.cable.virginm.net/82.18.161.213)
- Unless you actually go to the games, then the kick off times are not always that great (NT) -- The RealStanTheMan, Tuesday, December 09, 12:30:53pm (NoHost/195.59.114.72)
- I saw sky advertise they had 200 odd games, considering thats over half then no wonder there is always weird kick off times now (NT) -- Waterboy, Tuesday, December 09, 01:18:59pm (lanc-08-b2-v4wan-168332-cust3678.vm14.cable.virginm.net/80.5.238.95)
- Jan window -- Kimberly Clark, Monday, December 08, 09:47:41pm (host-92-24-210-86.as13285.net/92.24.210.86)
Cheeky bid for Andre in the window could fit in well with us.
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- You are joking ….didn’t you see Man U’s first goal tonight ….. (NT) -- Ffc, Monday, December 08, 09:52:10pm (97e1e3d2.skybroadband.com/151.225.227.210)
- Gets lots of yellow cards, so I guess so (NT) -- Edward Winston Malone, Monday, December 08, 09:55:56pm (cpc115214-nmal23-2-0-cust962.19-2.cable.virginm.net/81.109.79.195)
- Oh FFS. He's terrible. (NT) -- GA, Monday, December 08, 11:11:13pm (ool-18b90125.dyn.optonline.net/24.185.1.37)
- Kobbie Mainoo is who we should be going all-out for in January. It was widely reported that we were interested in signing him in the summer window. He's exactly what we need - young, energetic, good passer of the ball, likes a tackle, scores the odd goal. He'll be desperate to get regular minutes in the run-up to the World Cup. Loan with an option could be viable, as Amorim is obviously not his biggest fan. (NT) -- Dom(TO), Tuesday, December 09, 07:45:23am (NoHost/83.104.7.89)
- At best he’d come on loan until end of season, but then you’re signing someone who’s barely played for months and silva doesn’t pick players for ages after he signs them generally, could see it being another Broja. He’d cost too much for us on a permenant and apparently wants 200k a week, way out our range, suspect he’ll end up at another champs league club. I’d love it, but just can’t see it. (NT) -- Henry1879, Tuesday, December 09, 10:07:52am (cpc113812-lea23-2-0-cust213.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.26.216.214)
- If we're looking at a short term January loan, we try a cheeky bid for Fabián Ruiz. Brilliant player and exactly what we need. Not getting much game time at PSG but that's unsurprising when you consider the squad they have. (NT) -- Samuel, Tuesday, December 09, 10:16:19am (NoHost/83.106.75.64)
- I've seen a few Wolves games this season and Andre has looked reasonable at times, but we definitely dodged a bullet, especially at the price tag, if indeed we were ever interested to begin with. (NT) -- Samuel, Tuesday, December 09, 10:08:03am (NoHost/83.106.75.64)
- Wolves have a few good players, mixed in with some absolute rubbish. Strand Larsen has shown he can score at this level, Joao Gomes would be a class player for us, athletic and has quality, but suspect he’ll end up ah a bigger club. Think there’s a player in Andre, however you have to play a certain way, he’s great at retaining the ball and linking defence to attack, but not most athletic. (NT) -- Henry1879, Tuesday, December 09, 02:03:02pm (cpc113812-lea23-2-0-cust213.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.26.216.214)
- FA Cup third round -- Just visiting, Monday, December 08, 06:52:13pm (host217-44-199-70.range217-44.btcentralplus.com/217.44.199.70)
At home to Middlesbrough
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- Marco -- Ken (Clark), Monday, December 08, 04:25:47pm (33C63E8e.skybroadband.com/51.198.62.142)
Marco does not seem like a happy man and has seemed discontent all season. Whether this is because of disappointing summer window, contract issues or whatever. Do wonder if his judgement is a bit all over the place, we've seen odd team selections, tactics and weird substitutions, though the substitutions issue has always been confusing under him. I hope things can get sorted, if not it may be time for a change.
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- Perhaps the powers that be should give Marco a deadline by which he should either accept or decline a new contract. At present his seemly bad mood could rub off.on team morale. (NT) -- Depressed, Monday, December 08, 04:37:40pm (host-78-149-190-10.as13285.net/78.149.190.10)
- “…maybe time for a change…” Well, that’s forced upon him with AFCON. Maybe with 2 of the “undroppables” (Iwobi & Bassey) and Chuk to some extent, it’ll give those less favoured “others” a chance to shine? There must be a few (or several) fringe players looking forward to a real opportunity to make their mark and seize the day. (NT) -- Bad Boy, Monday, December 08, 05:05:26pm (NoHost/2.222.160.125)
- A change of manager in the immediate future is not going to happen, although the enforced change of three players off to AFCON may well be a blessing in disguise…. (NT) -- Bad Boy (clutching at straws), Monday, December 08, 05:15:17pm (NoHost/2.222.160.125)
- It's reasonable straw clutching you're doing. Diop and Cuenca have both been very good and deserve games. Chuckwaeze has been incredibly impressive, but we have an abundance of wide forwards and I reckon the endless benching has knocked his confidence a little. Iwobi will be the biggest loss, but maybe it gives ESR a real chance to step up in the No. 8 role, with King at No. 10. Or it encourages us to sign another midfielder. All potentially good things. (NT) -- eganonoa, Monday, December 08, 05:21:21pm (NoHost/195.222.49.31)
- Should read, "I reckon the endless benching has knocked Kevin's confidence a little." (NT) -- eganonoa, Monday, December 08, 05:23:09pm (NoHost/195.222.49.31)
- I do wonder how they did the scouting on Kevin. I doubt anyone went to Ukraine to see him play whilst that country is in a war with Russia. So was their intel mostly based on youtube footage, match recordings and other anecdotal evidence? (NT) -- Mr Kurkuruza, Tuesday, December 09, 11:44:32am (217-155-46-35.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk/217.155.46.35)
- He's played 20 odd games in europe for Shaktar, who play their home games in Poland). Added to the elements you've mentioned (footage, match recordings etc) there's been more than enough opportunity to scout him (NT) -- Same Old Story, Tuesday, December 09, 12:50:07pm (NoHost/84.66.55.127)
- There’s not a lot you get out of going in person rather than watching videos of a player and tapping in to local scouting networks, coupled with all the underlying data, but clubs have access to much better resources than YouTube. Only really if you’re interested in someone would you then go and try and get a deal done; but places like Ukraine; South America etc teams don’t really fly scouts out to anymore, unless it’s got to the stage they want to sign them. (NT) -- Henry1879, Tuesday, December 09, 02:46:16pm (cpc113812-lea23-2-0-cust213.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.26.216.214)
- Re: Marco Apart from Sunday his substitutions have been good. A lot of goals coming from them. Easy to get carried away with conjecture just because ee conceded in the last minute. (NT) -- Alboy, Monday, December 08, 05:42:00pm (NoHost/109.181.91.35)
- There is no escaping that when you have just 2 PL Capable strikers, that one of them should NOT be in his mid 30s. Equally to lose a CM ( Pereira) and not replace him was also a recipe for disaster . We may have the midfield numbers but the balance is off. Unless those 2 issues are addressed in whatever way next month , then Silva absolutely Won’t be signing . Let’s not allow yesterday’s mistakes to cloud over the root cause of the problem (NT) -- Mickey, Monday, December 08, 06:03:37pm (NoHost/82.132.185.253)
- Marco Silva chose to sell Pereira for a pathetic £10m ! Then bought a winger we didn’t need for 40m euros . Pereira will be back playing in UK next season ( or possibly some other European league ) (NT) -- alanos, Tuesday, December 09, 09:43:30am (82-132-235-11.dab.02.net/82.132.235.11)
- Do you honestly believe Silva approved of Pereira being sold ? He wanted another CM in addition to him. KDH was ready and willing to join us but Noooo keys retain Cairney and Reed , both Great servants and Club Legends. Good grief the Club were even happy to let both Tete and Wilson depart !!! Should they have spent all that money on Kevin , No. But where were the alternatives from our magnificent Recruitment and their Wrestling Fanatic of a Leader???? (NT) -- Mickey, Tuesday, December 09, 10:35:50am (NoHost/82.132.185.253)
- Micky, the one who campaigns for us to be more like BHA or palace and uncover the ‘young hidden gems’. Now telling us we should have signed soon to be 28 y/old who’s on circa 100k a week and has been deployed largely as number 10, an area we have King and ESR. We cannot afford more high wage, diminishing value players, KDH was sensibly avoided, he’d have killed us with PSR even if he has been decent for EFC (he was always going to be). (NT) -- Henry1879, Tuesday, December 09, 01:56:12pm (cpc113812-lea23-2-0-cust213.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.26.216.214)
- I thought he was more ‘box to box’ than a 10, but happy to be corrected . So in that case who was Pereira’s replacement , considering Silva wanted one more CM? Also why didn’t /don’t Recruitment source ‘younger ’ and as yet unearthed talent as so many of our close rivals seem to do ,or was that JKA at the 11th hour ? As much as I want Managers to have a say, if left totally up to them then surely they will all go for tried and tested ? (NT) -- Mickey, Tuesday, December 09, 03:04:05pm (NoHost/82.132.185.253)
- I, think silva has too much say on transfers. Moyes largely played KDH in front of gueye/garner, regardless he’s in the A.son/berge/Iwobi good solid prem player, but with diminishing value who would hamstrings us from a PSR view. We are a CM short (TC/reed are here a year too long), but most clubs have squad issues , the window is shut, silva has do to a better job of finding solutions, he clung on to lukic/berge too long and made poor subs, he has 3 CFs, he just refuses to use one. (NT) -- Henry1879, Tuesday, December 09, 07:04:30pm (cpc113812-lea23-2-0-cust213.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.26.216.214)
- But it’s not all over the place . There is a consistent rationale for it . Wants to direct a radical overhaul in his last season and needs the team in a weak situation come January to bring this about The team is not too bad with some lovely players . And the ones people want replaced were all Marco’s selections anyway . (NT) -- alanos, Monday, December 08, 06:07:26pm (82-132-235-11.dab.02.net/82.132.235.11)
- God alone knows there ain’t too many below us in the league…..but as fate would have it we’re playing 3 of ‘em in the next 4 games. If these upcoming “easy” fixtures go tits up, then it may well be Marco ain’t gonna be so heavily coveted by The Khans. Four fixtures is a long time in football…enough to seal your destiny either way. (NT) -- Bad Boy, Monday, December 08, 06:19:39pm (NoHost/2.222.160.125)
- Marco Silva's very happy, he's getting paid £4m per year to mug off punters like us by picking teams that lose twice at home in five days. Don't worry about Marco, he's fine. (NT) -- Here to help, Monday, December 08, 08:12:37pm (NoHost/90.213.242.75)
- Challenges in the air -- a stats-filled post in case you want to scroll on by -- eganonoa, Monday, December 08, 02:46:20pm (NoHost/195.222.49.31)
We are tied for the 3rd highest number of goals conceded from corner kicks at 5 (worst West Ham with 10). But after yesterday we are middle of the road for crosses stopped by our keeper (5.7% of crosses, 9th in league, or 11 crosses stopped total, 11th in the league). So if it's not Leno what is it?
As I flagged in a reply below, we are doing unbelievably badly at winning aerial duels. We currently have the league worst Aerial Duel win percentage at just 44% (Man City are best at 56.8%). Overall we've won the 2nd least number of aerial duals at just 178 (Everton are best at 317).
Our best player in the air appears to be Andersen. He has won 26 headers, 51st in the league, at 65% win percentage, which places him 27th in the league, 20th among defenders. Tete is our next best, winning 58.6% of his aerial duels (17 in total) putting him 57th in the league (43rd among defenders). Then it's Sander Berge winning 54.8% of the time, 78th in the league (16th among midfielders). Then it's Bassey at 50% (18 total), 100th in the league (69th among defenders).
After that it's looking pretty grim. Rodrigo is one of the top forwards with 45.2% success rate, or 11th in the league. But Raul is having a terrible time this year, winning just 34.2% of aerial duals (30th among forwards). ESR and Josh King are among the very worst in the league among midfielders winning just 16.7% and 15.4% of headers respectively (good for 4th and 3rd bottom among midfielders). Sasa Lukic has an absolutely horrible 27.3% win percentage, which puts him 13th worst among midfielders, all the players around him being lightweight creative types.
Overall, it makes for really grim reading. Defensively, it surely shows a glaring weakness that Palace were able to exploit at the end yesterday (especially after replacing Berge with Lukic). It also seems a bit ridiculous given how we are set up to play going forward. We are the league's long-ball kings, having completed 565 of them. And we continue to be among the top teams for crossing, albeit considerably less than prior years (just 7th). Seems to me, if we are going to be doing business in January, we need to target some big lumps!
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- Two key players in defending corners are long term injured for us, Robinson and Muniz. Robinson really has improved in the air in the last 18 months and Rodrigo is very good at getting his head on the ball at the near post (when defending corners). It makes a big difference. (NT) -- Jim© The Devon IP, Monday, December 08, 03:21:23pm (62-64-192-58.virtual1.co.uk/62.64.192.58)
- Josh King is a smallish fantastically talented 18 year old .Why would you expect him to win aerial duals .Muniz he was by far the lowest paid in the team till about 3 months ago (£250k a year) despite having what the BBC called ‘elite player skills’. He may have attracted the attention of commission agents to deliver him to a club offering better pay . It’s true his situation was improved a bit this year , but was it too little too late . Would you know anything about this ? (NT) -- alanos, Monday, December 08, 05:45:14pm (82-132-235-11.dab.02.net/82.132.235.11)
- Re: Challenges in the I thought Sunday Bassey was excellent at winning areil duels against a big striker in Mateta, be interesting to see his stats for Sunday. Look week up top at winning rules currently. (NT) -- Alboy, Monday, December 08, 05:47:08pm (NoHost/109.181.91.35)
- EPL/Championship -- Jonathan Baines, Monday, December 08, 01:08:09pm (cust-51.179.203.5.cgn.as5482.net/51.179.203.5)
Our two sojourns into the Championship were far more enjoyable than the sterile shit served up in the EPL with inadequate referees who rely on VAR to cover up their mistakes. If we were in the Championship playing the level of football we generally do, we would be more than successful, good younger players would be more than happy to join us and we could bring through our own academy stars. The wage bill would be massively reduced and the over reliance on EPL not needed and we could cut our cloth accordingly. Is this a project that we could sell to one of the best young coaches in Europe - our own Liam Rosenior of Strasbourg!
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- And then we'd get promoted. (NT) -- Rinse and Repeat, Monday, December 08, 01:14:16pm (host81-141-119-135.range81-141.btcentralplus.com/81.141.119.135)
- I think it would be honest to admit that we really enjoyed Championship seasons because we were winning a lot (NT) -- Jungle J, Monday, December 08, 01:39:13pm (cpc124440-croy27-2-0-cust52.19-2.cable.virginm.net/77.101.86.53)
- Don't count on it. First, wage bills don't just get automatically cut. We could very well be saddled with contracts we can't shift alongside significantly reduced revenue. Second, we'll likely lose our good young players like Sess, King, etc, for less that we might in a couple years. Third, Rosenior isn't moving to a Championship side after Strasbourg. He's next in line at Chelsea in about 4-5 years. A cost-constrained playing-asset-stripped relegated club isn't likely in his plans. (NT) -- eganonoa, Monday, December 08, 01:41:07pm (NoHost/195.222.49.31)
- Each to their own, but the quality of football played by us over the last 2 seasons has been at times the best I have seen from a Fulham team in over 62 years. Where the prem can be an utterly miserable place is - as we know - when the squad falls far short of the standards required. (NT) -- Bexhill Beast, Monday, December 08, 02:15:48pm (host86-136-159-39.range86-136.btcentralplus.com/86.136.159.39)
- Why don't people understand this?? Relegation will lead to owners loss of interest, but they won't be able to sell, they will invest less and less, the club will struggle, probably go down to League One, owners will put flats on the Cottage to recoup investment. Sometimes think some of our fans have very short memories... (NT) -- This is a warning..., Monday, December 08, 02:22:49pm (host81-133-110-86.in-addr.btopenworld.com/81.133.110.86)
- My thoughts -- Alboy, Monday, December 08, 11:44:09am (89-197-213-185.virtual1.co.uk/89.197.213.185)
Some interesting comments on here. From my point of view we pretty much dominated possession. Palace defend deep and had 111 men behind the ball their goals against shows how successful they are at defending. They rely on counter attacks using their full backs and switching play. What you cannot do is allow them to score first because the get even deeper. I thought we came back well with probably the goal of the season from Wilson. Prior to that Emile Smith-Rowe was desperately unlucky not to score. I thought Bassey was very strong and apart from the error defended well and were much the better side. One of the unfortunate things for us was nott having Sess at left back. Castagne could not fulfill that role and he often chopped back on to his right foot slowing down momentum. Second half we started brightly with ESR scoring a goal which was dissalowed by the finest of margins. I thought Esr Bergh and Chuckweze were excellent, obviously Harry also did well. Bassey and Andersen had lots of the ball simply because Palace sat so deep. The biggest error for me was that Marco for the first time completely got the substitutions wrong. He took of our three best players. In my opinion Jiminez wast tiring and he should have come off ,along with Iwobi who also looked tired. Having said all that two lose in the last minutes through a set piece was do frustrating. It was t a bad performance we were the better side but we lack that cutting edge up front. We need a striker, a top scorer currently is Harry. What a goal by the way! Need to consolidate and go again.
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- 111 men behind the ball…..cheating bastards, how did that not get noticed? Good post, Alboy. Difficult to disagree with any of that. (NT) -- Bad Boy, Monday, December 08, 12:05:13pm (NoHost/2.222.160.125)
- Silva regularly gets the subs wrong. You are being too complacent. Analyse all our games this season and be honest. We are not in a good place and its going to get worse over the next 6 weeks with 3 startes off to Africa, an ageing and exhausted striker with few goals and no backup, and key players injured. The win at Spurs when we barely laid a glove on them after the 1st 20 minutes the last 30 mins v City when we were already 5-1 down has just papered over the cracks. (NT) -- The Drobe, Monday, December 08, 12:32:50pm (host109-147-10-80.range109-147.btcentralplus.com/109.147.10.80)
- They’re back again , trying their old psy -ops tricks to prepare you for sale of Muniz . Or possibly player swap with Marco’s next Club (NT) -- alanos, Monday, December 08, 01:11:00pm (82-132-232-129.dab.02.net/82.132.232.129)
- In your head, in your head Zombie, zombie, zombie-ie-ie What's in your head, in your head? (NT) -- Zombie, zombie, zombie-ie-ie-ie, Monday, December 08, 01:50:24pm (no-mans-land.m247.com/185.245.84.56)
- You don't have to worry about Muniz. No one is going to be interested in him in the January window. (NT) -- Beano Reader, Monday, December 08, 01:54:04pm (82-132-234-70.dab.02.net/82.132.234.70)
- Don't blame the Manager -- ., Monday, December 08, 09:12:04am (NoHost/80.78.129.50)
You can blame Marco all you like but the truth is we don't have a premiership level striker and Bassey and Anderson are average defenders to say the least. Anderson plays like he's just smoked a joint.
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- The Manager signed Andersen. -- Gary Elkins Shin Pad, Monday, December 08, 09:21:45am (233.219.198.146.dyn.plus.net/146.198.219.233)
- There was a rumour that we might be interested in taking Mitro on loan in January. Let's hope there's some truth to that. Or there's always No Salah, who looks to have burnt his bridges at Liverpool. I'm sure the opportunity to be an understudy to the great Muniz will be too much for him to turn down. (NT) -- Samuel, Monday, December 08, 09:45:13am (NoHost/83.106.75.64)
- Raul is no less a PL striker than Chris Wood and Danny Wellbeck. Andersen and Bassey are two very expensive signings made during Marco's time as he's prioritized spending at CB and wide forward/no. 10. And they've been good: Andersen continues to be the leading defender in the league in progression with solid defensive numbers; Bassey strong across the board. Our biggest weakness upfront and at back is in the air (worst in the league in aerial duels) and in our lack of a consistent system. (NT) -- eganonoa, Monday, December 08, 10:07:13am (NoHost/195.222.49.31)
- numbers and stats aren't everything though. For example it wouldn't show how he (Anderson) was in some part culpable for both goals yesterday. The first, he got done by movement from the palace forward which put him out of position, and the second, he didn't track the runner who scored the header (NT) -- Jimmy Hill's Chin, Monday, December 08, 11:27:58am (NoHost/176.248.211.130)
- We play a zonal marking from corners, as nearly all teams do, it had nothing to with Anderson tracking a runner. If anything king, who was assigned to block (not beat him in the air, but disrupt his run) Guehi and he didn’t disrupt anything allowing guehi a free run. Anderson will never be elite defender purely as he isn’t the most mobile, but he is one of the best I’ve ever seen at playing passes out the back, if he was more mobile he’d be called VVD and be playing for Liv. (NT) -- Henry1879, Monday, December 08, 11:37:21am (cpc113812-lea23-2-0-cust213.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.26.216.214)
- Agreed stats aren't everything, but they do check subjective perceptions. OP says "don't blame the manager ... Bassey and Anderson are average defenders." That doesn't really make sense. Andersen was bought as a good defender with elite passing. Bassey, similarly, was bought for his progression potential (as Marco has said before). Stats show they do what the manager clearly wanted them for: OK defenders, plus progressors. If he wanted a superb pure defender, he could play Diop. He doesn't. (NT) -- eganonoa, Monday, December 08, 12:02:14pm (NoHost/195.222.49.31)
- We dont have any natural goalscorers, they are all 5/6 goal a season wide players and our only striking option is 35 and looks tired (NT) -- Waterboy, Monday, December 08, 10:17:07am (NoHost/84.69.18.104)
- So true and It's obvious to anyone who wants to embrace reality. We're nearly half way through the season and Raul has scored 2 goals. That's a £100k+ p/w striker . The summer priority should have always been a new starting center forward but instead €40.million was earmarked for a winger with only one good season to his name in a Leagues that probably the equivalent in standard to our 1st division. I'm not convinced that the club even care about progression. (NT) -- Samuel, Monday, December 08, 10:35:24am (NoHost/83.106.75.64)
- Raul is in effect a back up target man. He was exhausted yesterday and should have been the first sub. And i agree, we should have spent the 40m on a striker. Chuk on loan looks 3 times the player Kevin is...another waste of a transfer window (NT) -- View from the Riverside, Monday, December 08, 10:41:59am (static-84-9-58-207.vodafonexdsl.co.uk/84.9.58.207)
- So why bother looking at any inferior leagues then? Willian, Costa, Fernandinho were such awful signings coming from Shakhtar. Partly due Silva’s not very good at integrating players quickly and a completely new environment meant Kevin was always going to be a longer project. We simply cannot afford anymore KDH style, prem ready but diminishing value signings due new PSR rules. Regardless, we played well yesterday, silva’s subs caused rhe game change, not anything from the summer. (NT) -- Henry1879, Monday, December 08, 11:45:00am (cpc113812-lea23-2-0-cust213.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.26.216.214)
- Actually think the contrast was the save from Smith Rowe in the first half compared to the non save from Nketiah. That's where points are going. As a team, we score enough. (NT) -- Jim© The Devon IP, Monday, December 08, 10:38:05am (62-64-192-58.virtual1.co.uk/62.64.192.58)
- who made the substitutions? (NT) -- .., Monday, December 08, 11:17:45am (NoHost/95.148.153.96)
- Re: Don't blame the Manager (NT) -- I thought Calvert Lewin was a no brainer., Monday, December 08, 12:09:01pm (host-92-24-210-86.as13285.net/92.24.210.86)
- Re: Don't blame the Manager (NT) -- VAR only good for the Armchair neutral fan., Monday, December 08, 12:12:45pm (host-92-24-210-86.as13285.net/92.24.210.86)
- Back again preparing the sale of club’s future (Muniz ) Samuel / eganonoa giving us the alluring prospect of played out Mitrovic of even Salah (how old is he ) lots of commission for Eganonoa / Samuel compound . So Marco Silva (a) gets rid of perfectly adequate back -up ( Vincius and the kid at Birmingham , spend 40m in readies on Kevin , publicly slags of the clearly talented 18 year old the club brought in over his head , and leaves us with terrible goal keeping probs (NT) -- alanos, Monday, December 08, 01:24:43pm (82-132-232-129.dab.02.net/82.132.232.129)
- Had Enough. -- Kimberly Clark., Monday, December 08, 08:41:02am (host-92-24-210-86.as13285.net/92.24.210.86)
Unless we get Relegated, not ruling that out at this stage this is my last season has a Season Ticket Holder at The Cottage.Have spoken to lots of mates of a similar age and themselves Dyed in the wool Fulham supporters they are in basic agreement with me VAR is killing this great game after every match my Enjoyment dwindles and I’ve come to this conclusion I’m done if we retain Premier League Football next season.
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- Agree on VAR. In reality it was $h!t before VAR too with average footballers on £100k a week, rolling around holding their silly boat race, pretending to be hurt. Been saying for years, the Championship is a far superior league in so many ways. Prem is a busted flush in terms of ENJOYMENT. I reckon I've actually enjoyed about an hour of this season so far.... (NT) -- Fkev, Monday, December 08, 08:59:19am (138.236.147.147.dyn.plus.net/147.147.236.138)
- Agree the denial of our 2-1 lead was crucial and on such finite margins of consequence. It’s way too critical making the officials basically inept. Fair enough goalie and penalties but offsides by mm is crazy. (NT) -- CB, Monday, December 08, 09:02:45am (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
- I thought the same thing. Basically, the graphic on tv showed his toe was offside (I kid you not). BUT that's assuming they stopped the ball being played forward at precisely the correct millisecond?! Let the referee have full control again, because it's spoiling what was once a great (exciting) spectacle (NT) -- Fkev, Monday, December 08, 09:05:22am (138.236.147.147.dyn.plus.net/147.147.236.138)
- VAR may or may not be a good thing. It's interpretation is often seemingly inept or difficult to understand but off side is factual. You will always have goals that are on or off side by millimetres and I'm entirely happy for VAR to do that. Deciding whether someone is interfering with play is another matter. Like it or not our assumed second goal WAS offside. (NT) -- The Man With No Name, Monday, December 08, 09:22:15am (host81-141-119-135.range81-141.btcentralplus.com/81.141.119.135)
- I thought the graphic on TV was even less clear than that. What they had put up had both the defender and Chuck breaching the offside barrier at the same time. It was strange. They must have had a frame earlier, not shown, that had Chuck over it without the defender's elbow also crossing. But it wasn't what was shown on what I was watching. (NT) -- eganonoa, Monday, December 08, 09:24:20am (NoHost/195.222.49.31)
- That's a good point - at what point do they stop the graphic to decide that's the the exact time to measure offside? Is it when the player passing the ball first contacts the ball or when it actually leaves his foot as if they are measuring the other I'm mm then this would have a bearing. You never see a fine scrutiny of that aspect of the analysis. (NT) -- Harry68, Monday, December 08, 09:30:40am (cpc160099-nmal26-2-0-cust805.19-2.cable.virginm.net/82.18.163.38)
- * Goal line* (NT) -- CB, Monday, December 08, 09:05:24am (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
- Totally agree it's terrible for the product of football. The Chuk offside - if in the old days the lino had raised his flag for that, and then a replay had been shown, one would have shouted at the screen that he was onside. I don't care if his toe was ahead of the defender's armpit or whatever. He doesn't gain an advantage from it, to all intents and purposes he's level, the linesman didn't see anything wrong, no Palace player appealed, why can't we just accept it and play on (NT) -- JamieR, Monday, December 08, 10:06:44am (NoHost/82.132.185.87)
- Re: I decided the same after 39 years of being a season ticket holder. The joy of celebrating a goal has been sucked out of the game by VaR and VaR is here to stay. I'll be a tv fan from now on but will likely go to more lower league local games. (NT) -- Harry Bayles, Monday, December 08, 10:07:00am (NoHost/194.9.109.88)
- I’ve had numerous conversations with people about VAR and even those who initially supported its introduction have mostly changed their minds. This is obviously a rhetorical question, but why don’t they sound out the fans on its continued use of- at least in its present form. (NT) -- Bexhill Beast, Monday, December 08, 11:02:17am (host86-136-159-39.range86-136.btcentralplus.com/86.136.159.39)
- Re: Had Enough. (NT) -- Decisions take so long Castagne Tuesday night, Monday, December 08, 11:18:47am (host-92-24-210-86.as13285.net/92.24.210.86)
- Our two sojourns into the Championship were far more enjoyable than the sterile shit served up in the EPL. Inadequate referees who rely on VAR to cover up their mistakes. if we were in the Championship playing the level of football we generally do we would be successful, good younger players would be more than happy to join us and we could bring through our own academy stars. The wage bill would be massively reduced and the over reliance on EPL not needed and we could cut our cloth accordingly. (NT) -- Jonathan Baines, Monday, December 08, 01:02:11pm (cust-51.179.203.5.cgn.as5482.net/51.179.203.5)
- Anderson & Bassey -- Ffc, Monday, December 08, 07:27:54am (97e1e3d2.skybroadband.com/151.225.227.210)
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- They had everyone behind the ball, squeezing space and closing down, leaving only those two somewhat uncovered. It was natural that they ended up passing to each other, especially as Bassey seemed really uncertain about passing to the new pairing of Castagne and ESR on the left, when he was used to seeing Sess and Iwobi there. (NT) -- eganonoa, Monday, December 08, 07:37:54am (cable-146-255-156-96.dynamic.telemach.ba/146.255.156.96)
- Both did well given how high/exposed they were, palace so deep, horrible team to play conceding 1st, top clubs will be weary of hiring glasner. Trade off 2x10s + Berge exposes back 2, Bassey saved us plenty (even if poor with ball), we’ll never be this mythical team throwing 8 forward, whilst looking solid as a Roy team, it’s not possible. Last night we were v.good at times, until silva took our threats off, gave Mitchell free rein, I’ll keep saying it, he’s good but not great coach. (NT) -- Henry1879, Monday, December 08, 08:37:57am (cpc113812-lea23-2-0-cust213.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.26.216.214)
- Whatever we are missing the Robinson of yore massively. I fear we may never see the same again. (NT) -- CB, Monday, December 08, 08:44:16am (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
- Re: Anderson & Bassey (NT) -- Obviously tactical Castagne position first half?, Monday, December 08, 08:45:20am (host-92-24-210-86.as13285.net/92.24.210.86)
- Bassey has been poor all season. And should pull his shorts up. (NT) -- ., Tuesday, December 09, 10:08:41pm (NoHost/194.34.233.48)
- All this talk by some that our strikers are the problem but -- Fulham Si, Monday, December 08, 06:29:15am (static-80-177-78-58.vodafonexdsl.co.uk/80.177.78.58)
Whilst they may not be the best we are scoring goals when we play on the front foot! In fact we have scored 9 goals (including 1 chalked off due to the tightes offside) in the last 4 games, average 2.25 goals per game. Our problem is our defence, plain and simple. In the last 4 games we have conceded an average of 8 goals. I actually think Bassey and Anderson are great players but just can’t seem to play well together. This has been a problem this season even before we decided to start to play more attacking football. But the positives for me despite our fragility in defence us we have faced 4 big teams (by this seasons standards) in the last 4 games and averaged 1.5 points per game which would equate to 57 points per season. So my take from this is prioritise the defensive part of our game whilst still playing front foot football, if we can we are going to really kick on.
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- I think Andersen and Bassey are a fine pairing. But a defense shielded by Palhinha, alone or with Lukic, is going to be less shielded by one with Berge, alone or with Lukic, unless we lean into Berge's passing and play a more possession based, slower build-up game, which clearly was blunting our attacking. Similarly, we'll always look worse defensively without Robinson (and I love Sees) and a declining Leno. And the constant chopping and changing of systems cannot help. (NT) -- eganonoa, Monday, December 08, 07:34:58am (cable-146-255-156-96.dynamic.telemach.ba/146.255.156.96)
- Not sure we have conceded an average of 8 goals in our last 4 games. (NT) -- Observer, Monday, December 08, 08:14:04am (NoHost/90.202.14.192)
- Re: All this talk by some that our strikers are the problem but (NT) -- Bassey is a miss soon find out or Cuenca excels?, Monday, December 08, 08:52:32am (host-92-24-210-86.as13285.net/92.24.210.86)
- On a positive note. -- COYW, Sunday, December 07, 10:53:27pm (NoHost/45.9.248.10)
Some people have said this is unimportant, but to me it's actually a better gauge of where we are, than number of matches played..
While we are currently 6 points down on last years standing after 15 games, we are still currently UP by a point on CORRESPONDING fixtures.
This despite the 2 unexpected wins last season at the filth and Newcastle reverting to type (with VAR help in both) this season.
The next 3 weeks have winnable games (including games we drew and lost last term, so we can turn this around.
We have the players, we certainly have the mentality. I just hop Silva doesn't fuck it up with his "tinkering", power-play or whatever the fuck is going on with him at the moment.
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- He is leaving ! It’s not just that he hasn’t signed a contract. The changes today , but more paying 40m for Kevin , while getting rid of our back up forward . You say they weren’t good enough . Bullshit if he really thought that he’s have spent the money on something better not an unnecessary left winger costing a ludicrous sum . Ditto goalkeeper and back-up . Great team in a way . Last years team plus King and Chuckwueze. But look what he’s doing (NT) -- alanos, Sunday, December 07, 11:44:49pm (82-132-234-7.dab.02.net/82.132.234.7)
- Very important point made here. Ultimately two of the three promoted teams are likely to drop and Wolves are gone. Had we won yesterday we would've jumped ahead of Brentford and Bournemouth. Our goal difference, often a true sign of standing, has us well above the likely relegation candidates. But it really does seem to me that Marco's endless tinkering and post summer miserableness has had an impact on our ability to "push on". Hope he sorts it out and creates more tactical stability. (NT) -- eganonoa, Monday, December 08, 07:26:01am (cable-146-255-156-96.dynamic.telemach.ba/146.255.156.96)
- Are Burnley Ipswich or Leicester? In which case we'll need either a win or draw next week to keep up, followed by a win over Forest. I'd probably take 4 points from the next two if offered now.. then hope we can do better at West Ham than last year's debacle (NT) -- JamieR, Monday, December 08, 08:28:29am (NoHost/82.132.185.87)
- IMO Burnley and Leeds are tougher than their positions suggest. I’m struggling to predict the bottom 3. Apert from Wolves they all look capable of causing upsets. 3rd from bottom could be near 40 points. Said it would be a tough division this year and proving to be so. (NT) -- CB, Monday, December 08, 09:19:00am (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
- Silva says we need to move the ball quicker. Stating the obvious Marco. We take 20 passes and 5 mins to go box to box, they did it in 3 passes and 10 secs. When we did finally move the ball quicker we were so much more effective -- Another frustrating performance, Sunday, December 07, 10:43:49pm (NoHost/95.148.153.96)
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- Marco Silva. -- Nuff 'said., Sunday, December 07, 10:40:22pm (static-198-44-157-107.cust.tzulo.com/198.44.157.107)
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- The new tinkerman -- eganonoa, Sunday, December 07, 10:08:42pm (cable-146-255-156-96.dynamic.telemach.ba/146.255.156.96)
Marco's endless tinkering is starting to grate. Castagne for Sess was enforced. But what wasn't was once again playing around with the three in central midfield.
All season, with one exception, whenever Iwobi's been played No. 8 he's been on the left of the midfield three, with the notional No. 10 (i.e. King) pushing right. He steps in for the advanced full back, received the ball from Bassey and was the fulcrum of the build up. And that's how it went 2nd half at Man City. We saw then (again) a working midfield system we'd seen glimpses of before.
But today, for whatever reason he decided to flip that around. Iwobi right, ESR left dropping for the ball in place of the full-back. The result: Bassey, with neither Sess nor Iwobi there looked lost in possession; the ball barely made it out to Chuck early on; and Iwobi took a while to get settled in his (once again) new role and the team to start understanding the patterns of play that would bring him into the game. Overall, that means we started slow, took a while to really get going and found ourselves a goal down.
Then, once it started looking good, he ripped it all up, removed ESR and Berge (clearly our two most dominant players on the day), moved Iwobi back to the left side of the midfield three, moved Chuck, move Wilson. To what end?
Why can't he be consistent? Every match a new tactical tweak, followed by another new one mid-match. It's got to be confusing for the players, Iwobi (a massive trooper) in particular. And it has to have an impact on our ability to start matches on the front foot.
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- Brain dead substitutions, time to part ways with Silva. -- JB, Sunday, December 07, 08:45:34pm (NoHost/104.28.40.138)
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- That loss is on Silva -- View from the Riverside, Sunday, December 07, 08:17:18pm (static-84-9-58-207.vodafonexdsl.co.uk/84.9.58.207)
Took a friend who was a palace fan. He said at half time, which we had dominate, ESR and Chuck were our best players. Low and behold Silva takes them off and starts moving players around. No logic to the changes other than let's get Kevin... he increasingly looks out of his depth... Totally wrong subs. And let's talk about the set pieces, at both ends. We are so poor. Finally Leno, maybe it is time to rest him. Should have saved the first am afraid.
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- Has to be said …. -- Mickey, Sunday, December 07, 08:01:39pm (NoHost/82.132.186.224)
Every part of those substitutions today was appalling: headed by taking ESR off and equally by switching Chukwueze to other flank . So what now and what of the next time a Team sits back comfortably but has the footballing acumen to really threaten and punish ? The amount of space our opponents found out wide after needing not much more than a couple of quick incisive passes , was unacceptable . As was the pace of our attacks . As ever we needed to craft our goal from intricate play , whereas our opponents created chances out of the generosity we afforded them .
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- Grrrrrrr -- Slim Tim, Sunday, December 07, 07:56:45pm (92.40.169.30.threembb.co.uk/92.40.169.30)
Agree with a lot of the below. Glazner has us sussed every time. Why put Chuk on the right just to squeeze in Kev. Iwobi was poor. Jimenez should have been subbed at 70 mins for the young bean pole. So disappointed, fed up of nearly results. We deserved a draw. When will the team and Marco realise we are best when attacking with pace. Lukic coming on with TC Josh and Adama was pointless. Harco made subs for the sake of it, putting players in weird positions and breaking the positive flow that we had. Well played Esr, Tete, Shirley, harry and Chuk. Was cheering on Brighton to stop westham getting 3 points. How sad is that. Loss of our three to the African cup of nations will be tough to manage. I think Marco should stay as who else is out there that could do a better job???
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- Silva does not want to be here, get rid and let a new manager bring in some much need change, not enough players in this team that you would want in a relegation dog fight! -- Fulham Russ, Sunday, December 07, 07:15:54pm (NoHost/31.94.72.228)
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- Twenty minutes of shambles. -- old codger, Sunday, December 07, 07:09:38pm (NoHost/158.173.23.176)
Normally I don't criticise Silva. I think he does the best he can with a small sub standard squad, but today he messed it big time with his subs. Palace's obvious weak link was Clyne and Chukka had him on toast. After the disallowed goal he started to believe that players could be moved around like chess pieces. Chukka was moved to the opposite against a much better player and disappeared. Kevin came on and never appeared. Multiple players were moved around to no obvious benefit and you know things are really desperate when Cairney and Mr T come on. The standard of players we have don't cope with swopping positions mid game without struggling. I'm surprised he hasn't learnt that.
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- The best team lost, another late goal! -- Zvezdara boy, Sunday, December 07, 07:02:35pm (178-220-177-88.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs/178.220.177.88)
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- Strange -- Icecreamconey, Sunday, December 07, 07:00:37pm (cpc115212-nmal23-2-0-cust516.19-2.cable.virginm.net/81.109.70.5)
No Silva Lining. Couldn’t understand why Marco makes those subs, ESR playing exceptionally well, up to then I thought he was MOM. Normally you replace someone who either is injured or not playing well, there players out there who were far below the standard of ESR. Very disappointing and strange decisions. It’s not looking too good. 😩
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- Silva out had enough of this powder puff slow pace sideways backwards football . On what planet is Cairney and Lukic the answer we are so easy to score against we are weak we need a new voice players are coasting -- Button, Sunday, December 07, 06:58:50pm (NoHost/154.61.128.163)
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- I trust in Marco but… -- Just visiting, Sunday, December 07, 06:57:56pm (host217-44-199-70.range217-44.btcentralplus.com/217.44.199.70)
I think he was way off with his substitutions today. ESR was brilliant and our only true danger man and Berge was solid so why on earth he went for them when Wilson had barely touched the ball 2nd half and Iwobi (who I love btw) was giving the ball away time and time again…?
So Wilson goes central and does nothing before being substituted for King?? Obviously that’s the right change but do it earlier when you change the other two! Insanity imho.
The most annoying thing for me though was Raul… he was clearly done after about 70 mins. He was walking around and feinting runs like a confused old man. JKA looked ok when he came on against city and he must be better than someone who is dead on their feet..?
Anyway, it’s far from panic stations and we are still playing some nice football, nice enough to keep us up imo but we’re gonna miss the Nigerian boys and we really, really, really need a CF in January if he’s not gonna play the boy-giant
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- Agree with all this. (NT) -- eganonoa, Sunday, December 07, 07:00:02pm (unn-154-47-22-67.datapacket.com/154.47.22.67)
- +1 (NT) -- CHB, Sunday, December 07, 07:01:34pm (host86-152-44-179.range86-152.btcentralplus.com/86.152.44.179)
- Yes to ESR and also Chukwueze. If someone is playing well and looking threatening then maybe.. leave them on the pitch?? Traore for five minutes at the end, honestly what is the point. Sometimes his subs are baffling (NT) -- JamieR, Sunday, December 07, 07:24:10pm (82-132-222-117.dab.02.net/82.132.222.117)
- Bring everyone back for a corner so there is 20+ players in the box. Leave 2 up they leave 3 back, basics. -- Same old Fulham, Sunday, December 07, 06:49:00pm (NoHost/82.132.184.151)
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- Burnley -- Depressed, Sunday, December 07, 06:42:30pm (host-78-149-190-10.as13285.net/78.149.190.10)
We have not won at Turf Moor since April 1951.
Will we break this voodoo next week??
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- Do you really need to ask that? Does any other team have as many bogey sides as us or such extraordinarily long loosing streaks? (NT) -- Harry68, Sunday, December 07, 06:45:56pm (cpc160099-nmal26-2-0-cust805.19-2.cable.virginm.net/82.18.163.38)
- I've got tickets how many are going up for this? Please god I'm not traipsing all the way up there with no trains back for more crap! (NT) -- Greenpole, Sunday, December 07, 06:46:08pm (82-132-234-62.dab.02.net/82.132.234.62)
- Burnley have lost their last 6 games, how can it possibly go wrong! (NT) -- Al, Sunday, December 07, 06:55:33pm (cust-141.195.149.254.customers.as5482.net/141.195.149.254)
- Usual -- Depressed, Sunday, December 07, 06:19:34pm (host-78-149-190-10.as13285.net/78.149.190.10)
Concede goal near end of match.Give me strength.
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- Why did Silva make those subs? We were looking fine. Unless there’s something we don’t know it seemed inexplicable (NT) -- Bexhill Beast, Sunday, December 07, 06:25:53pm (host86-136-159-39.range86-136.btcentralplus.com/86.136.159.39)
- And rhe one id expect to make, take off Raul, he never made. Raul completely ran out of gas and is 33 y/old starting every game, he’s one we should have taken off. As for others, completely agree, it’s like he’s so formulaic and structured he has subs set out and makes them regardless of what’s happening, taking off Berge & ESR in particular was bizarre. Also didn’t address Mitchell at all, just let him have so much space. (NT) -- Henry1879, Sunday, December 07, 06:32:10pm (cpc113812-lea23-2-0-cust213.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.26.216.214)
- Agree, such weird subs. None of them seemed injured. (NT) -- Al, Sunday, December 07, 06:32:18pm (cust-141.195.149.254.customers.as5482.net/141.195.149.254)
- Especially traore who has proven himself to be a waste of time yet again (NT) -- FTID, Sunday, December 07, 09:54:30pm (82-132-230-55.dab.02.net/82.132.230.55)
- Raul pulled up and should have been subbed. Should never never take Chuck off But face it folks we/ the manager were to soft 1st half and although a lot of pretty football 2nd we still have no cutting edge. ESR motm and still had gas in the tank. Marco? (NT) -- CB, Sunday, December 07, 06:40:43pm (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
- Lost all our momentum and control. Why do managers make changes for changes sake! Not like ESR or Chuck have played much in last few months, no one looked tired or was struggling. Good performance thrown away with unnecessary changes.....Silva is seriously beginning to fucking irritate me! (NT) -- Harry68, Sunday, December 07, 06:41:49pm (cpc160099-nmal26-2-0-cust805.19-2.cable.virginm.net/82.18.163.38)
- Silva stuck again. How many bogey teams can any one club have -- Same Old Story, Sunday, December 07, 06:18:35pm (NoHost/51.37.48.87)
The last time Fulham beat Crystal Palace at home in the Premier League was on January 1, 2005, with a score of 3-1.
Since then, their subsequent Premier League meetings at Craven Cottage have resulted in three draws and four wins for Crystal Palace (up to and including the match on December 7, 2025).
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- Nice Arry -- Fulham Downunder, Sunday, December 07, 05:12:21pm (ppp-171-97-254-215.revip8.asianet.co.th/171.97.254.215)
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- 1 Leno 2 Tete 5 Andersen 3 Bassey 21 Castagne 16 Berge 17 Iwobi 8 Wilson 32 Smith Rowe 19 Chukwueze 7 Jiménez Substitutes 10 Cairney 11 Traoré 15 Cuenca 18 Kusi-Asare 20 Lukić 22 Kevin 23 Lecomte 24 King 31 Diop -- CB, Sunday, December 07, 03:33:08pm (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
Chuk starts, but no Sess.
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- Well Done LANDO! World Champion -- CBF1 Woking Rules!, Sunday, December 07, 03:04:56pm (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
One down. One to go COYW! 3 points.
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- Attack, Attack, Attack! -- eganonoa, Sunday, December 07, 02:38:30pm (unn-149-102-227-9.datapacket.com/149.102.227.9)
Very encouraged by this quote from Marco at the press conference:
"full ambition for us to go, we know that we have to be attacking, attacking, attacking, but to be very careful because Palace is a team that's are very strong, they are solid in offensive transition & counter-attacking moments."
x.com/jackellyffc/status/1997435507597512773
Might we have finally learnt that we are now a front-foot team?
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- Can't make the game today so ticket available if anyone wants it for £20. Leave a contact number if interested. Thanks. COYW. -- >>>>, Sunday, December 07, 09:53:16am (94-30-83-200.xdsl.murphx.net/94.30.83.200)
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- A couple of things from Looking around X this morning: -- Straw Clutchers Anonymous, Sunday, December 07, 09:45:46am (NoHost/90.203.120.157)
NFR: Reiss Nelson injured again.
Silva hints that ESR’s problems may not have been football related… now in a better place.
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- Burnley next week -- Ffc, Saturday, December 06, 05:22:43pm (97e1e3d2.skybroadband.com/151.225.227.210)
I make that
Walker, Pires & Hannibal all banned for next week
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- Yes, what could possibly go wrong. They've lost their last 6 games, and our record there since the late 50's/60's is something like W0 D5 L34. 3 points in the bag. (NT) -- Wayne, Saturday, December 06, 05:30:02pm (host5-81-104-122.range5-81.btcentralplus.com/5.81.104.122)
- I'm sure like most fans I have already written this game off as a defeat, we always lose at Turf Moor, and I have been to what must be the most revolting town in England to often to think it will ever change....and I'm not usually a pessimist. (NT) -- GTS, Saturday, December 06, 06:10:27pm (NoHost/94.14.186.219)
- Walker is obviously past it... but Pires? (NT) -- HE, Sunday, December 07, 04:22:04pm (lewi-28-b2-v4wan-166893-cust665.vm4.cable.virginm.net/86.16.2.154)
- Anyone looked at the hotel? -- Same Old Story, Saturday, December 06, 02:32:21pm (NoHost/84.66.55.127)
There's availability pretty much constantly through to end of Feb (haven't looked further). So it's not selling out months in advance. Only nights i can see that are not available at all are ones directly before home fixtures
Rates seem to range from £279-£420 depending on room type at the cheaper end (Mondays, Sundays, Thursdays), up to £412-£505 for nights before and after first team fixtures.
For comparison, it looks like its higher end of the mid tier of boutique hotels in West or Central london. Its not in the same category as the Berkelely, the Landmark, or the Corinthian (£600-£900).
Most of the other comparably priced type hotels are in better locations for public transport, but don't neccessarily have the kudos of being situated in a historic football ground on the riverside.
I'd actually say it looks reasonably priced in its category, but in terms of benefit to the club, (assuming the club take the revenue, rather than the Fulham Pier organisation), its really minimal. Completely full occupancy, on every night for the year would only generate £2.1m. A nice little top up - sure - but certainly not a gamechanger.
Side note - there's also no option for room occupancy more than 2 a room - even in a suite. Which means families with younger kids don't have any option other than to book 2 rooms and split parents which isn't ideal.
Summary : Pricing better than i expected from a benchmarking point of view, but doesn't seem to be full very often, and needs to be to even generate a minimal uplift in revenue. Doesn't even pay for 6 months of Bernd Leno.
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- With only 13 rooms I'd guess the hotel is peripheral to other revenue raising activities - club, conference rooms, restaurants, shops etc. It's the profitability of the totality of those that matters. I've always been sceptical but what do I know? (NT) -- The Man With No Name, Saturday, December 06, 02:47:49pm (host81-141-119-135.range81-141.btcentralplus.com/81.141.119.135)
- Pricing strategy is clearly flawed when we had big gaps in riverside fpr City and Palace tickets being given away for free to locals (NT) -- Waterboy, Saturday, December 06, 04:36:33pm (NoHost/84.69.18.104)
- They will need to improve their customer service. Last season they were regularly overcharging in the bars. This season after the Man U game they charged £5 for a pint which was clearly advertised above each bar. Half hour later they increased the price to £7 without advertising the fact. Half hour later they increased the price again to £7.50 without saying anything. Poor business practice. (NT) -- Hammersmithender, Saturday, December 06, 05:25:40pm (NoHost/31.94.36.27)
- Nothing like an old head in times of Crisis -- Chilly weather, Saturday, December 06, 10:13:02am (2e409ff7.skybroadband.com/46.64.159.247)
So Silva throws on King -18 , kevin -22. Kusi-Asare -18
Gotta love it .And nearly paid off.
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- Leno v Lecomte v Benda - Stats -- eganonoa, Saturday, December 06, 09:57:57am (unn-149-102-227-9.datapacket.com/149.102.227.9)
In a reply earlier in the week I posted some data that seems to track statistically what we can see in Leno's decline since he came to us. As we haven't seen anything much of Lecomte I thought some of you might be interested to see what that data looks like for him. Specifically I am referring to "Post-Shot Expected Goals minus Goals Allowed" (PSxG+-), which attempts to see the extent to which, because of luck or skill, a goalkeeper is saving more or letting in more goals that expected based on the quality of chances faced. It doesn't look good for any of our keepers.
To reiterate the Leno PSxG+- situation: in 2022/23 he was best in league saving 9.1 goals or 0.24 per 90 above expectation. 23/24 he dropped to about average, letting in 1.3 goals or 0.03/90 more than expected. 24/25 he was towards the bottom letting in 3.1 goals or 0.08/90 more than expected. This season he's already let in 3.6 goals or 0.26/90 more than expected.
For Lecomte the story is not that much different. In 2022/23 Lecomte saved 7.5 goals more than expected for an incredible 0.39 per 90 minutes. In 2023/24 he dropped to being about average saving 2.8 more than expected or 0.09/90. In 2024/25 he fell off a cliff, letting in 5.7 more goals than expected or 0.19/90 more goals conceded than expected, with Montpellier having the worst keeping record in the league.
And unfortunately, on other metrics their poor years last year are either very similar (e.g. Save percentage 66.8% Leno vs 64.2% Lecomte; Crosses Stopped Percentage 4.9% vs 4.9%) or favour Leno (e.g. pass completion percentage 80% vs 67.6%. Meanwhile it doesn't look like Benda is pulling up any trees down at Millwall: PSxG+- 0.18 more goals conceded than expected per 90; 57.1% save percentage; 4% crossed stopped; 56.4% pass completion. Not good.
What the data implies is that, we might be looking at equally aging keepers in the same moment in their respective careers and that our young keeper out on loan isn't doing anywhere near good enough to enter the conversation. Ultimately, we shouldn't expect a switch of keeper to have a big impact.
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- Team sunday -- Alboy, Friday, December 05, 08:56:37pm (NoHost/148.252.148.135)
Leno
Tete Anderson Bassey Sess/ Robinson
Bergh Smith-Rowe Iwobi
Wilson Jiminez Chuckweze
King to come on, with Kevin later in the game.
That's my guess thoughts?
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- Direct Free kick -- Wayne, Friday, December 05, 05:10:42pm (host5-81-104-122.range5-81.btcentralplus.com/5.81.104.122)
I heard something last week that I couldn't believe is true. Got sent a message from a friend saying that the last goal that we scored, in a competitive match, was Joe Bryan's free kick in the Play Off final v Brentford, That must be over 4
seasons ago. For the stats guys on here, would you know if that's true or not.
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- Kebano at the H. End subsequently v someone in the Prem? (NT) -- b+w g., Friday, December 05, 05:15:18pm (host81-159-223-35.range81-159.btcentralplus.com/81.159.223.35)
- Willian scored directly from a free kick in the 5-3 against Leicester. (NT) -- MF, Friday, December 05, 05:15:48pm (NoHost/212.103.232.179)
- Harry Wilson was a free kick specialist & then he came to us (NT) -- TSW, Friday, December 05, 07:04:58pm (NoHost/31.94.18.5)
- Perreira wasted 3 seasons worth of them! (NT) -- Waterboy, Friday, December 05, 07:50:48pm (NoHost/81.79.118.27)
- Must mean we are due one v soon? Second thoughts this is Fulham! (NT) -- Martin Jolly, Friday, December 05, 08:38:45pm (NoHost/148.252.140.161)
- Not even a penalty kick this season, that seems very unlikely with the all the decisions going against us, JKA being the last one. (NT) -- MWKent, Saturday, December 06, 08:32:12am (host-80-46-1-168.as13285.net/80.46.1.168)
- Last 20 years home to Palace -- Fkev, Friday, December 05, 03:42:31pm (NoHost/57.133.213.87)
P7 W0 D3 L4
Feeling confident?
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- And they are better away than at home this season.Having said that we’ve been pretty decent at home so guess the smart money is on a draw. (NT) -- Bexhill Beast, Friday, December 05, 03:57:28pm (host86-136-159-39.range86-136.btcentralplus.com/86.136.159.39)
- We will win this one. (NT) -- GA, Friday, December 05, 04:44:56pm (ool-18b90125.dyn.optonline.net/24.185.1.37)
- Have you seen our away record v Burnley? (NT) -- Wayne, Friday, December 05, 05:04:57pm (host5-81-104-122.range5-81.btcentralplus.com/5.81.104.122)
- Feels like a draw but would love the 3 points to take us to magic 20 early. (NT) -- CB, Friday, December 05, 05:07:18pm (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
- Only seen us beat them once at home in 47 years. Last time we did, mate and I was in Cape Town for the cricket. Did a tour where we was supposed to do Table mountain cable cars but was winded off. Mate and I trying desperately trying to find out how we were getting on. Tour took us instead to a pub in Bloubergstrand and it had our game on live. We couldn't believe it (NT) -- TSW, Friday, December 05, 05:16:06pm (NoHost/31.94.18.5)
- Seems the two clubs didn’t meet for 34 years between 1932 & 1966 . (NT) -- Bexhill Beast, Friday, December 05, 08:57:43pm (host86-136-159-39.range86-136.btcentralplus.com/86.136.159.39)
- Re: Last 20 years home to Palace 8th game. -- Swig, Saturday, December 06, 04:35:46am (NoHost/90.193.224.254)
- Leno... can't have gone unnoticed with Silva? So, does he get 'rested' for Sunday or not? -- Straw Clutchers Anonymous, Friday, December 05, 02:37:15pm (NoHost/90.203.120.157)
I'll start:
Yes – (a few games on the bench might give him a kick up the bum he needs)
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- Virtually all of them were absolutely woeful in the first half - can't rest all of them. Retain Leno all day long (NT) -- Fkev, Friday, December 05, 02:42:42pm (NoHost/57.133.213.87)
- Give him the next two starts, while making it clear that Lecomte's selection for Newcastle will carry over to the rest of December unless... (NT) -- b+w g., Friday, December 05, 03:26:05pm (host81-159-223-35.range81-159.btcentralplus.com/81.159.223.35)
- Lecompte was never signed to be a serious threat to Leno’s dominance as first choice ‘keeper. Given that all our outfield players face realistic competition for their places, Leno has been given a free ride. Ex Arsenal “statement signing” and biggest wage earner, Leno’s place has been unchallenged and maybe that’s the problem. Pretty much guaranteed a start and not looking over his shoulder….maybe it’s time he didn’t assume he’s a nailed on starter? (NT) -- Bad Boy, Friday, December 05, 04:20:26pm (NoHost/2.222.160.125)
- That is NOT going to happen. As I said below would liked to have seen Lecomte more but unless Leno is injured won't happen. Thankless job GK No 2 although wouldn't complain at his wages for just training. (NT) -- CB, Friday, December 05, 05:04:23pm (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
- Not complaining (A thread that isn't.....) but has to be said -- See you Southend lads, Friday, December 05, 02:27:16pm (ns575172.ip-51-222-40.net/51.222.40.83)
Looking like A dozen games will be 'timed' FOR the American Market at todays WC draw
If so, will having to stay up after midnight UK time have any impact on your enjoyment of the World Cup??
Will any of the prime time Matches. Opening, Semis, Final be at the normal UK time of 8pm BST??
and of course Will Donald Trump follow through and move games from the Liberal cities? Can't wait for the likes of Denver and Cleveland to get games if so... White power!
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- This report on our attenances: -- Straw Clutchers Anonymous, Friday, December 05, 01:39:52pm (NoHost/90.203.120.157)
www.insideworldfootball.com/2025/12/05/fulham-burnley-wolves-attendances-dip-premier-league-looks-christmas-cheer/
Fulham posted 93.14% in MW12 and slipped to 90.24% in MW14 – the most pronounced underperformance relative to league norms. Craven Cottage’s redevelopment may be a factor, but the gaps are sufficiently large to raise commercial concern.
I wonder why? Could it be the club's plan to exclude the 'long-term' fan in favour of 'tourist attraction' by pricing them out? Ali Mac take note before it becomes a trend..
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- Tickets for our Premier League fixture against Crystal Palace are now on General Sale! (NT) -- CB, Friday, December 05, 01:49:23pm (213-18-174-254.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.254)
- We sold 400 tickets for Burnley away, this will lower their average even more. (NT) -- Sean, Friday, December 05, 02:28:32pm (82-132-228-210.dab.02.net/82.132.228.210)
- Looked a poor crowd against city and ive heard theyve given freebies for palace to local residents to make us look better on tv! (NT) -- Waterboy, Friday, December 05, 02:36:14pm (NoHost/148.252.140.67)
- It's because they have the wrong capacity. That's the only reason. (NT) -- Jim©, Friday, December 05, 10:46:28pm (host86-171-5-119.range86-171.btcentralplus.com/86.171.5.119)
- Re: This report on our attenances: -- Hammer Smith, Saturday, December 06, 11:20:56am (156.58.143.87.bcube.co.uk/143.58.156.87)
- Did anyone else think the tackle on Chuka was a penalty!!! - Dave_ffc -- Dave_ffc, Friday, December 05, 11:57:02am (61-69-221-8.static.tpgi.com.au/61.69.221.8)
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- Leno -- Alboy, Thursday, December 04, 10:15:26pm (NoHost/109.181.91.35)
When we concede five it's easy to blame the keeper. For me we defend as a team and we were poor in the first half. The only goal I was annoyed about was Foden's second felt he should have saved that. What we should be mentioning also is we were 5-1 down and we came back to 5-4 and actually were unlucky not too draw the game. I've been watching football for a long time and I don't remember many teams doing g what we did. My opinion get behind Leno and the team. Palace a big game let's make the atmosphere as good as the second half and win the game!
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- What a load of old bollocks! You really are unbelievable! What about his "pat" instead of punch for their 3rd? What about him going to ground for the 2nd? IMO Leno is complacent 'cos he's KNOW Silva will NEVER even consider dropping him. Needs a kick up the arse. If you genuinely believe the rubbish you write then you are more stupid than you make yourself out to be. GET A GRIP! (NT) -- You talk crap., Thursday, December 04, 10:26:46pm (unn-149-36-51-152.datapacket.com/149.36.51.152)
- Also you have NEVER responded to you ridiculous 2 week tirade defending Marco after Everton, when you absolved him of any blame, when it was clear that his selection/tactics were SOLELY to blame. Your a muppet. (NT) -- Get Real., Thursday, December 04, 10:32:52pm (static-198-44-157-85.cust.tzulo.com/198.44.157.85)
- We can differ as to how many a goalie could realistically have averted v. City (I'd put it at one more than you, plus a chance with #2 if staying up longer). That doesn't alter the wide agreement there has been among posters that a) Leno was exposed by some poor defence in front of him; b) the whole team's fight back was rare and terrific. Both a) and b) would badly need "mentioning" if no-one else had. (NT) -- b+w g., Thursday, December 04, 11:16:50pm (host81-159-223-35.range81-159.btcentralplus.com/81.159.223.35)
- Leno made some costly errors but he's always been a flapper. We really miss a strong defensive midfielder like Palhinha as our center mid options are not really at the standard required to make us a genuine threat for the European positions. The next shopping list should include 2 new CM and a striker, preferably a starter. Berge & Lukic wouldn't be any loss if we can find buyers. (NT) -- Samuel, Thursday, December 04, 11:36:22pm (NoHost/83.106.75.64)
- pping list any Think we need more creativity in midfield would say 1 midfielder, 1 striker and another right back. Time for Castagne to go. (NT) -- Alboy, Thursday, December 04, 11:41:03pm (NoHost/109.181.91.35)
- We're allowing way less shots to the opposition than when palhinha played. (NT) -- Jim©, Friday, December 05, 01:05:31am (host86-171-5-119.range86-171.btcentralplus.com/86.171.5.119)
- the Eganonoa’s other half is back and wants £120m spend ( at the least) So how would you do that without selling Robinson , and our star 18 year old King and Muniz and Wilson and then probably forgoing on on Chuckueza for his buy out clause. It’s as if Samuel had not noticed Iwobi played in midfield obviates any need there .Remember the kind of value Marco found in Summer (Kevin 40million euros. ) (NT) -- alanos, Friday, December 05, 07:53:22am (82-132-232-42.dab.02.net/82.132.232.42)
- Trouble is, nobody mentions him when he makes 2 - 3 excellent blocks or stops that keep us in the game or winning it, as a lot on this board say 'that's what his job is', 'that's what he's there for' - if that's the case we should apply this to every outfield player too. (NT) -- Long Termer, Friday, December 05, 07:35:22am (host86-178-227-34.range86-178.btcentralplus.com/86.178.227.34)
- it's been said for an eternity, if a forward misses a chance, so what, if a midfield player gets caught in possession, who cares, if a defender fluffs a clearance, a lack of concentration or similar. The goalkeeper is the last line and any major miskake usually costs a goal! As Barry Lloyd once said of Malcolm Webster, 'there are ten in front of him to prevent goals, it's all our fault when we concede from someone's mistake' (NT) -- Long Termer, Friday, December 05, 07:40:07am (host86-178-227-34.range86-178.btcentralplus.com/86.178.227.34)
- First season you wondered why Arsenal ditched him.Now you can see why.Has been poor for some time.You don’t have to have played at any high level to see that.Doubt you were the reincarnation of Edwards,Charles,Haynes and Yachin mate.With all due respect. (NT) -- HemelRog, Friday, December 05, 08:21:12am (NoHost/90.215.43.146)
- I like Leno but it’s hard to defend his form this season. Against City: 4 shots on target faced; 5 goals conceded; doesn’t make for great reading. Thought he did terribly for both of Foden’s goals. (NT) -- Neil G, Friday, December 05, 11:03:31am (NoHost/62.64.164.110)
- As expressed on here previously I am less interested in the saves a keeper make since most pro keepers can make good saves – even Malcom Webster and Jim Stannard. Putting to one side distribution/communication skills, for me the very best keepers are those that make both the fewest obvious mistakes (easy to spot) and the fewest ‘could have done betters’ which are more difficult to spot. (NT) -- f bloke, Friday, December 05, 12:46:54pm (NoHost/2.223.121.65)
- Re: Leno -- ken(ffc), Friday, December 05, 02:24:28pm (host86-167-40-12.range86-167.btcentralplus.com/86.167.40.12)
Feedback: 
did he steal though> theres a difference from paying the stupid/uneducated in A form of a SCAM a low price for a commodity . then actually stealing something that is owned/payed for without consent?? ARENT WE in the UK stupid to be paying these high priced for GAS and electric when the North SEa has copuis amounts of oil/gas resevred BUT we told/sold the tale its bad for the EARTH to us it. instead WE need to PAY for new expensive tech to extract the power of the SEA and Sun? (NT) -- Tommy geez selling NUCLEAR FST?, Wednesday, December 17, 01:23:21pm (ns3200156.ip-141-94-110.eu/141.94.110.167)
He'll probably just try to blame it on his dodgy Irish/Palestinian/Israeli/Ukrainian/god knows what else, gangster family stealing his phone/ipad/laptop to try to make him look like the TOTAL AND UTTER LOON that he ACTUALLY is. (NT) -- Like he did with Muniz' City/Wolves goal, Wednesday, December 17, 12:53:04pm (static-198-44-157-109.cust.tzulo.com/198.44.157.109)