We conceded a lot of posession on Sunday against an Arsenal side that wasn't too different to the side we beat 2 - 1 last season, with far more attacking purpose. Last season, main players like: Rice, Saka, Saliba, Odegaard, Raya all played in the Arsenal side. Palhinha's contribution was significant that game if my memory serves me right. One could argue that it has taken 2 players this season, to do the job of Jao last season. Think we missed Cairney too on Sunday. -- SW6.doc

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Date Posted: Tuesday, December 10, 08:11:29am
Author: Juana Aorta
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Subject: We conceded a lot of posession on Sunday against an Arsenal side that wasn't too different to the side we beat 2 - 1 last season, with far more attacking purpose. Last season, main players like: Rice, Saka, Saliba, Odegaard, Raya all played in the Arsenal side. Palhinha's contribution was significant that game if my memory serves me right. One could argue that it has taken 2 players this season, to do the job of Jao last season. Think we missed Cairney too on Sunday.
In reply to: eganonoa 's message, "We're definitely better. I'm not sure its him being positionally ill-disciplined, as I doubt Marco would allow that to exist for so long. I suspect he was given license to roam and destroy much like a defensive No. 10. But everyone has had to up their game defensively without him, and we are very clearly better on the ball with Berge/Lukic or both, meaning the opposition has the ball less. So its a net positive The Tete thing is really intriguing. I need to look out for that." on Tuesday, December 10, 04:23:41am

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For me the key difference was that our victory last season, however well-earned was against an Arsenal giving one of their worst performances of the season. Notwithstanding their lack of a cutting edge on Sunday their overall display was much better. (NT) -- Bexhill Beast, Tuesday, December 10, 09:45:37am (host86-171-237-150.range86-171.btcentralplus.com/86.171.237.150)
- If it was their worst performance (I'd argue that was at home to West Ham), then could that not be due to the way Fulham played? (NT) -- Juana Aorta, Tuesday, December 10, 11:53:39am (217-155-46-35.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk/217.155.46.35)
We had similar possession: 34% vs 39%. Pal was good but not spectacular, even a bit subdued with just 2 tackles! That match was significant because it was during the period we shifted to two inside forwards with Cairney left centre and Andreas (Iwobi vs Arsenal) right centre. And it was one of Cairneys best performances in that time, in contrast to ESR, his replacements, performance. We also had BDR doing his thing, with the additional killer instinct he brought vs what we have now. (NT) -- eganonoa, Tuesday, December 10, 11:05:26am (175-183-84-143.adsl.dynamic.seed.net.tw/175.183.84.143)
- I can't argue with the Cairney vs ESR point. The latter player flatters to decieve. All this stuff about making the right decision to leave Arsenal. I'm not sure he has made Fulham his home yet. As for stats of the 2 games. Acc to the BBC stats: 23/24 - 4 shots on target, total 15 shots, 5 corners, 6 blocked shots, 20 touches in box. 24- 25: 2 shots on target, 2 shots in total, 0 corners, 3 touches in box, 0 blocked shots. I came out of the game feeling relieved but a bit disappointed on Sunday. (NT) -- Juana Aorta, Tuesday, December 10, 12:00:39pm (217-155-46-35.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk/217.155.46.35)
  - Yes me too. I agree with you above that they probably played poorly because we made them. I think the Cairney/ESR thing and extra firepower with BDR were the key factors. ESR is doing well I think, but he's not imposing himself on games and I wonder whether he ever will. He doesn't seem to have that cocksure arrogance, which Cairney absolutely has. He seems fragile. He reminds me a bit of Gazza, both in how he plays and his mental fragility (though food, not booze the crutch) (NT) -- eganonoa, Tuesday, December 10, 12:12:20pm (175-183-84-143.adsl.dynamic.seed.net.tw/175.183.84.143)
People underestimate playing couple of days earlier, with a busy period coming up. The play was always to sit deep, leave no space for saka behind and counter. We’d have run out of steam if we’d gone hard & pressed too much, players need to be preserved, so easy to pick up injuries and collapse late in games if we go full tilt every match, was smart management to hold back, there’s a lot of games to be played, tactical adjustments are needed for physical as well as oppo reasons. (NT) -- Henry1879, Tuesday, December 10, 12:37:47pm (croy-26-b2-v4wan-167127-cust1611.vm24.cable.virginm.net/82.38.22.76)
- Can't discount that as a contributing factor. (NT) -- Juana Aorta, Tuesday, December 10, 01:55:41pm (217-155-46-35.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk/217.155.46.35)

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