Andersen *was* brought in to start, and until his injury he *was* the starter. Now he is returning to fitness and Diop is playing well, this is a good thing in squad building. How is that a waste of money? Andersen will probably become the starter again too. In any case, evaluating value for money for a player can't be done at a point in time, it needs to be looked at over an extended period. -- SW6.doc

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Date Posted: Friday, December 20, 04:07:20pm
Author: Jungle J
Author Host/IP: cpc124440-croy27-2-0-cust52.19-2.cable.virginm.net / 77.101.86.53
Subject: Andersen *was* brought in to start, and until his injury he *was* the starter. Now he is returning to fitness and Diop is playing well, this is a good thing in squad building. How is that a waste of money? Andersen will probably become the starter again too. In any case, evaluating value for money for a player can't be done at a point in time, it needs to be looked at over an extended period.
In reply to: Hg 's message, "Is that a serious question? If Anderson who cost 25 million can’t get a game because he isn’t as good as what we already have, is that a waste of 25million? Yes of course it is. We didn’t spend that kind of money for a reserve. He was bought as a first choice player. Same for esr. You can’t spend 60 mil on two players who by your admission, make the team worse. Still time for them to improve though." on Friday, December 20, 03:29:30pm

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So you agree he was not bought in for the reserves. Do you think he is better than diop? (NT) -- Hg, Friday, December 20, 04:10:59pm (cpc141402-brnt4-2-0-cust971.4-2.cable.virginm.net/86.9.199.204)
- When fit and in form, yes. (NT) -- Jungle J, Friday, December 20, 04:24:01pm (cpc124440-croy27-2-0-cust52.19-2.cable.virginm.net/77.101.86.53)
  - And that’s your opinion and you are entitled to. I’m willing to guess that’s a minority opinion, and stats certainly favour diop, as we concede less goals when he plays over Anderson. (NT) -- Hg, Friday, December 20, 04:30:38pm (cpc141402-brnt4-2-0-cust971.4-2.cable.virginm.net/86.9.199.204)
    - I’d be amazed if that was a minority opinion. Silva’s team sheet on Sunday will have Andersen on it - one of the few players who Silva will pick on class over form. He’s so important to how we want to play. The stats are meaningless over so few games vs different opposition. (NT) -- ASPT, Friday, December 20, 10:01:57pm (114-129-187-208.ip4.superloop.au/114.129.187.208)
- I think it's impossible to argue if you still believe there is such a thing as a "reserves". There is no such thing. There is a squad with the expectation that any given player can play at any given moment when needed. It's important to refer to the discussion below on the best Fulham teams and the points raised why the Haynes-era team never made it to the level that the premium talents could have. Andersen at 25m was not brought into be a "reserve". But then again neither was Diop at 15m. (NT) -- eganonoa, Friday, December 20, 04:33:12pm (pool-108-18-149-21.washdc.fios.verizon.net/108.18.149.21)
  - Are you one of those who believes transition is new method in football and not just a fancy name for counter attack? Non first teamers are reserves. You can call it something else but that’s what they are. You make out like reserves didn’t have exepectations to be ready at any given moment when needed. News shock they were. So call it what you want but it’s all the same. And no I don’t think any big money signing who is worse than the player he was intended to replace, is a success. (NT) -- Hg, Friday, December 20, 04:43:34pm (cpc141402-brnt4-2-0-cust971.4-2.cable.virginm.net/86.9.199.204)
    - Is Harry Wilson a reserve player or 1st teamer? Berge/Lukic don't start every game, are they 1st or reserves? Muniz or Jimenez? Traore? 15 different players have started for FFC this season, Castagne will make 16. I would argue only Cuenca of those 15 is counted as a "bench" player right now - everybody else is up for consideration to start and MS picks based on fitness, form, and tactical fit. The idea that Andersen is a "reserve" because Diop is playing well is kind of strange. (NT) -- Jungle J, Friday, December 20, 05:13:46pm (cpc124440-croy27-2-0-cust52.19-2.cable.virginm.net/77.101.86.53)
    - Argument doesn't work here. We used to have reserve teams and leagues because a 1st 11 was almost static with others as mere backups. Now we don't because the game has changed. Last season 493 players made starts in the league last year: just 20% started 75%+ of their team's matches. The average was 16 starts. Last season Tosin started 18 in the league, Diop 16; the year before 23 vs 21. Who was the "reserve" in that relationship? If Andersen replaces Tosin why should we expect that to change? (NT) -- eganonoa, Friday, December 20, 07:38:30pm (pool-108-18-149-21.washdc.fios.verizon.net/108.18.149.21)

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