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Date Posted: Tuesday, March 11, 07:51:48pm
Author: Samuel
Author Host/IP: NoHost / 81.78.226.36
Subject: Mitro

I had a good exchange with Henry over the striker situation. I'm not an academic or even vaguely familiar with stat analysis, but appreciate the numbers favour our current options. But (perhaps I'm wrong) stats for any given player can drastically change depending on the quality of support.
For what it's worth, I still think we'd have been more effective, yielding more points, had Mitro been leading the line this season. I get that there's a cloud over his departure which can sometimes blur objectivity. But Mitro was, in my opinion, a phenomenal forward who possessed so many strengths, many of which are absent in our current duo.
Do you think we would have had a more successful season with him. Or is Raul a more complete package?

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Would have been more successful with Mitro this season without a shadow of a doubt. Raul seems a lovely fella, but he's no Mitro. It could have been us, not Forest, right up there this season... (NT) -- dd, Tuesday, March 11, 08:31:05pm (NoHost/90.213.242.75)
Meant to add, people bang on about Tim Ream, but in his way Mitro believed in Fulham FC more than Tim Ream ever did. Always think Mitro's misdemeanor at Old Trafford was largely attributable to his depth of feeling for the club. People talk about the manner of his leaving, but he knew he couldn't really ever play in the Premier League again because referees would have it in for him... (NT) -- dd, Tuesday, March 11, 08:34:22pm (NoHost/90.213.242.75)
- Depth of feeling for the club, that’s an interesting way of describing poor discipline and letting your team mates down. And he left because refs would have it in for him, I’ll have whatever you’re smoking, he left because to get huge bags of money, nothing wrong with that, but to suggest it was for any other reason is farcical. He also cared so much he insisted on staying on pens and repeatedly missing them. (NT) -- Henry1879, Tuesday, March 11, 10:08:20pm (croy-26-b2-v4wan-167127-cust1611.vm24.cable.virginm.net/82.38.22.76)
  - You lost me at 'people bang on about Tim Ream' - there's a reason for that. (NT) -- Rupert, Wednesday, March 12, 09:02:31am (NoHost/94.13.252.210)
Great fan of Mitro wish he had never left but I think the wages offered were why he left and you cannot blame him with a wife and kids. (NT) -- Going, Tuesday, March 11, 08:44:05pm (NoHost/147.148.27.174)
- I don't care if he was on £1 or £100,000 a week - he refused to play for the club. Cardinal sin which is why he can never step foot in Craven Cottage again - however grateful we are for what he achieved. (NT) -- Rupert, Wednesday, March 12, 09:06:30am (NoHost/94.13.252.210)
  - Can never set foot in Craven Cottage again. What a load of shit. (NT) -- Beano Reader, Wednesday, March 12, 02:16:50pm (82-132-213-188.dab.02.net/82.132.213.188)
- Being an unprincipled greedy bar steward isn’t the greatest example for your kids.He was earning enough to support a hundred kids anyway.And nope I wouldn’t. (NT) -- HemelRog, Wednesday, March 12, 10:13:33am (5ec0f8a7.skybroadband.com/94.192.248.167)
- Err. He wasn't exactly Bob Cratchit, slaving to keep his wife and kids from the poorhouse. He was on 100k a week or thereabouts. He already had more dosh than most earn in 10 or 20 lifetimes (NT) -- MH, Wednesday, March 12, 11:17:28am (180-150-113-29.NBN.mel.aussiebb.net/180.150.113.29)
I’m not saying we wouldn’t have been better, I’d say it’s debatable and I can see both sides, but my point is mitro fee - Raul + Muniz fee is circa 30m, that ain’t bad business and we have to sell to reinvest to improve. Would Muniz have developed like he has if mitro was still here? He’s our long term 9 if he keeps improving. As we know, all a moot point, he forced a move out, it was himself who decided we had no choice but to evolve a team without him. (NT) -- Henry1879, Tuesday, March 11, 10:03:05pm (croy-26-b2-v4wan-167127-cust1611.vm24.cable.virginm.net/82.38.22.76)
- I have no doubt that he engineered his exit, so no disagreement on his motives for leaving the club. I think the failure to replace him is more of an issue for me. In my opinion there's an obvious weakness in the team and that's our striking options. Raul is a very decent player as a back up but I've always thought that we needed to invest in a proper replacement for Mitro; a nailed on starter. I'm not as sold on Muniz as others might be. I don't think he'll ever be a force in this division. (NT) -- Samuel, Tuesday, March 11, 10:35:54pm (NoHost/81.78.226.36)
- Not going to pick up on anything else in your post, but you're overstating the value of the transfer. It's detailed in our books as a net profit on player registration (ie, fee minus remaining amortisation) of a fraction over £30m. So in reality, your sum above should be more 'Mitro fee - Raul+Muniz fee is circa £17m. Still an important £17m for reasons i mention below (NT) -- Same Old Story, Wednesday, March 12, 10:24:23am (webdefence-pool-02.cluster-a.forcepoint.net/85.115.52.202)
Weird discussion. Mitro left because he refused to stay - the option of keeping him didn't exist. What is statistical fact is that the club have managed the situation so that we aren't scoring fewer goals. Would we be better with better players - er yes. Can we afford better players - maybe. Is our recruitment good enough - I reckon so but obviously could be better. Even the trolls can't be bothered with this. (NT) -- The Man With No Name, Tuesday, March 11, 11:30:20pm (238.75.189.80.dyn.plus.net/80.189.75.238)
- Fantastic reply. Sums it up perfectly. (NT) -- eganonoa, Wednesday, March 12, 02:57:01am (pool-108-18-149-21.washdc.fios.verizon.net/108.18.149.21)
  - +1 (NT) -- MH, Wednesday, March 12, 11:26:08am (180-150-113-29.NBN.mel.aussiebb.net/180.150.113.29)
- One of those times whilst reading a reply I think, should have just said something like this, spot on. (NT) -- Henry1879, Wednesday, March 12, 11:36:48am (82-132-220-102.dab.02.net/82.132.220.102)
How many of the penalties scored would he have missed ? Personally think we should never have let Ronnie Rooke go! (NT) -- CB, Wednesday, March 12, 09:28:15am (213-18-174-131.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.131)
I'll just point out an aspect i've mentioned before. We would probably have failed FFP without the money received from Mitrovic. We had to sell him or Palhinha that summer. So it is quite possible that, whilst Mitrovic still wanted to go, we weren't quite as against it as we drummed up in the press. Its something we've seen before (Malbranque, Saha) when a fan favourite has ended up leaving. Remember how Saha supposedly threatened to deliberately miss chances during the Man Utd saga? (NT) -- Same Old Story, Wednesday, March 12, 10:30:37am (webdefence-pool-02.cluster-a.forcepoint.net/85.115.52.202)
- Interesting, my numbers are educated guesswork at best so thanks for detail. If that’s the case than well done the club, obvious but sound negotiating tactic of saying we don’t want to sell probably squeezed out done millions we may otherwise have not got. (NT) -- Henry1879, Wednesday, March 12, 11:24:03am (82-132-220-102.dab.02.net/82.132.220.102)
  - its poppycock . We wouldn't had failed anything. If we didn't sell Mitro then we wouldn't had brought Iwobi and Castange. . Its utter fail though. With Mitro we finished 10th had a FA cup run. WITHOUT Mitro, we now 10th and In a Cup run... Now tell us, have we progressed WITHOUT HIM? wheres the money gone SHAD? (NT) -- rebuilding by selling too buy, Wednesday, March 12, 08:48:50pm (62-210-101-206.rev.poneytelecom.eu/62.210.101.206)
    - Its not poppycock at all. The amortisation of iwobi and castagne was nowhere near the amount recieved for mitrovic. So yes, you’re right in that we probably wouldnt have signed those players either, but the £30m, in year, straight to bottom line profit on Mitrovic was crucial. Same old story (NT) -- Same old story, Thursday, March 13, 08:45:11am (NoHost/90.241.80.71)

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