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Date Posted: Thursday, March 20, 03:14:42am
Author: Looks real peardy and a good player to me
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Subject: Re: Josh King watch
In reply to: f bloke 's message, "Josh King watch" on Wednesday, March 19, 09:42:08pm

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Talent is only part the puzzle, attitude & dealing with adversity just as important. Still has time, it often isn’t a continual upward curve. Good management will help decide his best next step, maybe a champ loan to get regular minutes, get him used to physicality of men’s football and show he can’t let games drift past. One thing top players never do is let games pass by & hide from the ball even when not playing well, AP good example even when he doesn’t play well he never hides away. (NT) -- Henry1879, Thursday, March 20, 07:40:46am (croy-26-b2-v4wan-167127-cust1611.vm24.cable.virginm.net/82.38.22.76)

I expected him to play against Sporting on Monday. He's usually on the first team bench but rarely comes on. If he's not playing for the U21s then he's only training and playing practice games. I don't understand how that helps his progression. (NT) -- The Man With No Name, Thursday, March 20, 08:41:33am (238.75.189.80.dyn.plus.net/80.189.75.238)

A season's loan is presumably next step for him -- was just too young this season. Re. f bloke's observations, on-pitch vision involves at least two things -- 1) where teammates are to be found for the best pass. 2) What space best to occupy/drift into oneself. JK shows clear signs of the former (plus the skill to execute), but maybe 2) doesn't automatically accompany it. In which case, a year with the first team to learn from is appropriate, after which get in those minutes and see. (NT) -- b+w g., Thursday, March 20, 09:44:15am (68.52.159.143.dyn.plus.net/143.159.52.68)
- Skill to execute is fundamental but much of the rest involves understanding and following the coaches tactical directions. Finding the team mate involves the team mate being where he's supposed to be. We sent maybe a dozen kids out on loan this summer but none have impressed and made a case for a place in our first team squad. so there's something missing either in their ability levels or the way they're being prepared. (NT) -- The Man With No Name, Thursday, March 20, 10:05:59am (238.75.189.80.dyn.plus.net/80.189.75.238)
  - By all accounts Araujo had a very good loan spell at Chesterfield until his injury. Who knows whether he can make it our level but my suspicion is that he has at least as much of a chance of making it as any of our other age group CBs. Like Le Fig however, he probably does need to bulk up a fair bit (NT) -- f bloke, Thursday, March 20, 10:30:49am (host86-134-8-227.range86-134.btcentralplus.com/86.134.8.227)
- But it’s also about attitude and wanting the ball, Perreira is far from perfect, but he works very hard to create angles and passing options. As OP says, does king work hard enough and have that desire to always want the ball. Always thought it was carvalhos great asset, in what he said and how he demanded the ball off senior players, he wanted to be ‘the man’, even if he lost it or had a poor game he’d keep demanding it and creating angles. (NT) -- Henry1879, Thursday, March 20, 10:16:00am (croy-26-b2-v4wan-167127-cust1611.vm24.cable.virginm.net/82.38.22.76)
  - AP is an apt example indeed and your general point, like f bloke's, is taken. Particularly so as playing for England must highly motivating. You'd hardly not be trying your utmost. (NT) -- b+w g., Thursday, March 20, 01:09:34pm (68.52.159.143.dyn.plus.net/143.159.52.68)
  - Interesting what you say about Pereira, will watch him more closely next time because for large parts of this season I've been distinctly unimpressed, though prepared to admit my untrained eye may be missing something! (NT) -- k, Thursday, March 20, 02:37:19pm (NoHost/90.213.242.75)
    - Not saying he’s been great by any means, but he’s had to adjust positionally and been in and out, but my point really is he’s never stopped trying to get on the ball, never stopped trying to create and had confidence in himself to try the difficult pass even when he hasn’t been at his best. Raul similar, he always shows for the ball and tries stuff, even if he isn’t playing well. Some players hide away when it gets tough, others step up and want the ball even more. (NT) -- Henry1879, Thursday, March 20, 02:48:21pm (croy-26-b2-v4wan-167127-cust1611.vm24.cable.virginm.net/82.38.22.76)
I guess it’s a tricky one, in that it’d impossible to predict injuries, if AP and ESR got injured he’d potentially be starting, or at least be coming off the bench for first team, there has to be a bit of ‘what if’ when it comes to managing players. I suspect if Wilson and/or Nelson were available he’d play more at U21s. Training with first team will be beneficial in teaching him how big the step up is,learning from Iwobi, Willian etc but agreed nothing like live game minutes. (NT) -- Henry1879, Thursday, March 20, 09:59:11am (croy-26-b2-v4wan-167127-cust1611.vm24.cable.virginm.net/82.38.22.76)
Can’t play every night.Played in Wales on Wednesday night. (NT) -- HemelRog, Thursday, March 20, 11:14:54am (5ec0f8a7.skybroadband.com/94.192.248.167)

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