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Subject: Re: For all 6B boys


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passer-by A
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Date Posted: 15:50:57 01/18/04 Sun
In reply to: B~ 's message, "For all 6B boys" on 21:46:37 01/16/04 Fri

>Please allow me to say something here.
I'm not at any side but just interested in the message posted here which arouses a lot of argument among students.
People may argue that there is no problem about grammar concerning that message. Indeed, you are right. However, a passage or chunks of sentences put together require more than just grammaticality. Consistency in formality is one kind which falls within writing style. I believe what the people argue about the awkwardness of the message lies here. Since the target readers of the message are senior students and the purpose of posting it is to inform students in an informal channel, it is assumed that informal writing style is used to express that purpose. What we see here is mixed syles -- informal as well as formal. That's one difficuly non-native English speakers try hard to cope with. Take the message as an instance, 'Concerning' is a good word to start with a matter, however,when we keep reading the whole paragraph, we might find that there is barely a word compatible with it in terms of formal style. It makes the whole word stands alone and sounds strange. If we use the word 'About' to start the paragraph, it might be more acceptable. Just like what I show you in that paragraph, I use 'chunks' in that close-to-formal paragraph, you might feel uncomfortable to read that word as it is slightly informal.
Second, 'illustrations' shown in the same paragraph does not arouse any grammar problem. Yet, we found similar words appear before it, 'pictures' and 'videos'. These three words all express the same media -- visuality. Moreover, 'illustrations' means pictures or videos (any visual aids) you use to help explain some textual products. Naturally it seems odd to find something repetitive here.
The phrase 'produce a project' sounds strange because the verb and the noun are not a good pair. We tend to more accept the verb 'do'. Again, this is about colloguial use. There may be some kind of hypothetical explanation but I think it may take long to explain.
Lastly, 'Use your creativity to make your presentation more lively!' stands out as one paragraph which makes the whole message quite funny. On the one hand, the tones of the sender are of encouraging and cordial so as to lessen the anxious and intimidated feelings caused by the teachers and the work. On the other hand, we might immediately feel like being threatened when we come across that sentence as it uses command style (use verb of command in the beginning)to address to the same group of people.
What I just opined may be unwelcomed to some people. I would like to apologize for any unpleasantness I arouse here.

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[> [> Subject: Re: 是Concerning about ,還是concerning?


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F.5 boy
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Date Posted: 16:55:56 01/18/04 Sun

是Concerning about ,還是Concerning?

望師兄回答

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[> [> Subject: Re: For all 6B boys


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有問題
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Date Posted: 20:03:17 01/18/04 Sun

看了這麼久,小弟自問英語水平不高,和passer-by A差得遠了,但批評人其實是很容易的,就拿passer-by A的回應作個例子:
1.>I'm not at any side but just interested in the message
>formal. That's one difficuly non-native English
根據passer-by A的理據,這篇回應的格式是formal的,但好像有些不太formal的地方,如"I'm","That's"
2. >we see here is mixed syles -- informal as well as
>formal. That's one difficuly non-native English
>colloguial use. There may be some kind of
以上的句子好像有些字打錯了
3. >People may argue that there is no problem about
>hand, we might immediately feel like being threatened
這篇文章用的是present tense,但上句中用了"might"一詞,passer-by A 是否想說明"immediately feel like being threatened"是very unlikely?
4. >a matter, however,when we keep reading the whole
"however"之前是否該用分號,或開新一句子而用full stop?
5. >explanation but I think it may take long to explain.
根據Cambridge Dictionary的解釋,"take long"主要用在negative sentenses或questions中,如"I'm just writing a letter but it won't take long."
6. >I would like to apologize for any unpleasantness I
在英式英語中,上句如用"apologise"是否較佳?
7. >We tend to more accept the verb 'do'.
上句如改以"to accept the verb do more" 是否較佳?
8. >the tones of the sender are of encouraging and cordial
>so as to lessen the anxious and intimidated feelings
>caused by the teachers and the work. On the other
我們應否刪除第一行"encouraging"之前的"of"?

小弟有個疑問:是否所有英語老師,尤其是教高班的英語老師,寫的任何文章都該毫無破綻?
再者,小弟離開母校後,做事自問不敢偷賴,但撫心自問,所做的大多數事情是可以做得更好的,只是人力有時而窮而已。

如果事事他人都吹毛求疵,小弟今日恐怕已進了精神病院。想當日聖芳濟師生間都是互助互諒,大家都是互相愛護的,為甚麼今天會變成這樣?

再者,小弟曾看過一些報導:英國中學生的文法水平日漸下降,很多學生都不能寫complete sentenses。而且最近又有報導指有些外籍英語教師亦不能在評核試中取得合格。那麼,native English speakers寫的英文又是否真的無可挑剔?從另一角度看,中國人寫的中文是否又不會有錯?

鴉片戰爭百多年後的今日,「崇洋」這個現象還是處處可見吧!

小弟不是想怪責任何人,只是希望大家多點包容和寬恕吧!

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: For all 6B boys


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有問題
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Date Posted: 20:18:03 01/18/04 Sun

對不起,小弟不知按錯了甚麼鍵而重複把同一留言留了三次之多,請堂主把前兩個刪去。

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: For all 6B boys


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W -InD(7C12)
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Date Posted: 18:53:51 01/19/04 Mon

3. >People may argue that there is no problem about
>hand, we might immediately feel like being threatened
這篇文章用的是present tense,但上句中用了"might"一詞,passer-by A 是否想說明"immediately feel like being threatened"是very unlikely?

=.= might 是可以的...不是指用past tense

4. >a matter, however,when we keep reading the whole
"however"之前是否該用分號,或開新一句子而用full stop?

如果你要傳統的英文的話,的確however前應該用full stop。不過,我不覺得回應都要用傳統英文。

5. >explanation but I think it may take long to explain.
根據Cambridge Dictionary的解釋,"take long"主要用在negative sentenses或questions中,如"I'm just writing a letter but it won't take long."

你都識講是主要用在negative "sentences"。 唔是negative就唔用得??

6. >I would like to apologize for any unpleasantness I
在英式英語中,上句如用"apologise"是否較佳?

=.=現在是兩字相通,再說一次,回應別人不用用上傳統英式英語。

7. >We tend to more accept the verb 'do'.
上句如改以"to accept the verb do more" 是否較佳?

沒分別,more作為adv可放在 accept此word前。
在語氣方面應該為更好。

我對此事沒有意見,只是覺得"有問題"的回覆有問題而已。
自問英文不好,不願多評。如果我有錯,請多多指教
的確批評別人容易,接受批評很難吧?

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passer-by A
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Date Posted: 22:36:47 01/19/04 Mon

Thank you for taking time to read my stuff and raising interesting questions. At least, it shows that students are still interested in English and can go beyond surface. That's good to Hong Kong.
By the way, 'concerning' is used when we introduce a topic. It is usually put at the start of a paragraph. However, 'be concerned about' is used when you express your care about the matter or the person. There is no phrase like 'concerning about'

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