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Subject: Desperado on CMT Author: Agatha [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 13:58:32 03/14/03 Fri Well, I never thought that anything could induce me to watch country music TV, but I was wrong. Caught Desperado, which was pretty good, especially considering that I'd rather watch paint dry than Westerns. He plays the bad guy in the movie. Or, as my extremely snarky husband said, "Oh, which of his roles is he playing a bad guy a**hole or a loser?" I gave him a rude gesture and told him that wasn't fair, DW isn't ALWAYS one of those, I mean he was Chancellor Gorkon, for crying out loud (I get extra geek points for that). I guess he just doesn't get it. Anyway, I'll open up a new thread to discuss roles in which DW is neither of these. Ante up sympathetic good guys. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Re: Desperado on CMT Author: Suky [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:50:54 04/18/03 Fri Apologies to Mr. Warner, but I *love* him as a bad guy (not that I don't love him as a good guy as well). I mean there are some actors who can make their villains so despicable that you cheer when they get their comeuppance, but DW's are so cool that you secretly root for him no matter how bad he is. (Especially because we know the *real* DW is nothing like that.) I always feel sad when he gets killed off because he always makes his character the most interesting in a film. The Felony comes to mind as one where he's a pure two-dimensional villain all the way, yet he's the only character I didn't find annoying. It's a truly awful film made bearable by his great performance. I wanted to see him do in the annoying "good guys" and live happily ever after. I miss seeing him in those roles! It's funny that Desperado should have prompted you to post, in fact, because I'd been meaning to stop by and mention that I'd caught it too, and it's the first DW movie I've seen in a long time. After my long "fast," I was impressed by him all over again. I don't like westerns much either, and that one was a little predictable, but who else could say lines like, "My patience can be found wanting; I wouldn't think it prudent to irritate me," and make them sound so cool? As for other roles, can you clarify the word "loser"? I don't think any of his characters have really been what I would call losers, even though some of them have been offbeat or maybe didn't come to a pleasant end (Chancellor Gorkon didn't exactly live happily ever after). I find them all sympathetic in some way. (OK, how about Professor Perry in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles II? I don't think you'd call him a loser in that film, although it's one of his less intriguing roles.) Come to think of it, your husband sounds a bit jealous! ;-) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: I think he means Eugene Author: Agatha [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:43:47 04/28/03 Mon >As for other roles, can you clarify the word "loser"? >I don't think any of his characters have really been >what I would call losers >Come to think of it, your husband sounds a bit >jealous! ;-) Yeah, he does, doesn't he? It's probably the height thing, he's several inches shorter than DW. Anyway, I THINK he was referring to either Eugene in Hostile Takeover or perhaps Lawrence Beesley in S.O.S. Titanic. Eugene really is a loser, but Lawrence is kinda cute, I thought. My favorite scene in SOS Titanic is when he and Susan St.James are standing at the rail talking about the unused stateroom. Hostile Takeover really isn't that good a film, but for sheer DW time it's hard to beat (and he gets lucky before he dies, which is sort of nice). Although, having said that, DW is the star of Quest of the Delta Knights, and that film is terrible -- watch the MST3K version, instead. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: I think he means Eugene Author: Suky [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 23:08:21 05/01/03 Thu >Anyway, I >THINK he was referring to either Eugene in Hostile >Takeover or perhaps Lawrence Beesley in S.O.S. >Titanic. Eugene really is a loser, but Lawrence is >kinda cute, I thought. All interesting characters are losers in some way, aren't they? "Leading men" and action heroes always seem a little dull and predictable to me. Give me a flawed antihero any day! Eugene is one of my favorite characters, and I even liked the movie, although the cop interaction was pretty lame and clichéd. But I thought the basic story was intriguing and tragic. I watched SOS Titanic in the middle of the night during a severe bout of insomnia, so I don't remember much about it, but I agree that he wasn't really a loser in it. Didn't he even end up getting the girl in the end? Funny, that scene you mentioned, where they're talking at the railing, is the one scene that comes to mind when I think about the movie! DW is the best thing about Quest of the Delta Knights. He looked great as the good guy, and he was hilarious as the bad guy (although I didn't care for the black wig!). The MST3K version was great, but did you notice that they edited out most of DW's bad-guy scenes (sorry, the character's name escapes me at the moment!)? I consider that a compliment to DW's comedic skills since apparently those scenes weren't bad enough for them to spoof--and would probably have given the jokesters too much competition! What do you think? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: I think he means Eugene Author: Hope you Guess My Name.... [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:58:47 05/17/03 Sat EUGENE WASN'T A LOSER!!!! he was misunderstood!!!! And Jack the Ripper Wasn't bad...He was just drawn that way!!! And Lovejoy wasn't an asshole.....he was badly constipated. Okay, Henry Buchannan might be a loser...but he got some..... >>Anyway, I >>THINK he was referring to either Eugene in Hostile >>Takeover or perhaps Lawrence Beesley in S.O.S. >>Titanic. Eugene really is a loser, but Lawrence is >>kinda cute, I thought. > >All interesting characters are losers in some way, >aren't they? "Leading men" and action heroes always >seem a little dull and predictable to me. Give me a >flawed antihero any day! Eugene is one of my favorite >characters, and I even liked the movie, although the >cop interaction was pretty lame and clichéd. But I >thought the basic story was intriguing and tragic. > >I watched SOS Titanic in the middle of the night >during a severe bout of insomnia, so I don't remember >much about it, but I agree that he wasn't really a >loser in it. Didn't he even end up getting the girl >in the end? Funny, that scene you mentioned, where >they're talking at the railing, is the one scene that >comes to mind when I think about the movie! > >DW is the best thing about Quest of the Delta Knights. > He looked great as the good guy, and he was hilarious >as the bad guy (although I didn't care for the black >wig!). The MST3K version was great, but did you >notice that they edited out most of DW's bad-guy >scenes (sorry, the character's name escapes me at the >moment!)? I consider that a compliment to DW's >comedic skills since apparently those scenes weren't >bad enough for them to spoof--and would probably have >given the jokesters too much competition! What do you >think? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Eugene did too Author: Agatha [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 05:59:02 05/27/03 Tue Eugene got some, too, as I recall. OK, so maybe he held up his office with an M-16 and was really fond of T.S. Eliot, but if I worked there with those people I'd go a little nuts, too. I think Lovejoy was the best thing about Titanic. Rose should have gotten back at her fiancee by sleeping with his butler instead of Jack. Hey, maybe we should start a new thread listing movies where DW's character gets lucky, that would be a lot more fun than his bad guy roles. >EUGENE WASN'T A LOSER!!!! he was misunderstood!!!! > >And Jack the Ripper Wasn't bad...He was just drawn >that way!!! > >And Lovejoy wasn't an asshole.....he was badly >constipated. > >Okay, Henry Buchannan might be a loser...but he got >some..... > >>>Anyway, I >>>THINK he was referring to either Eugene in Hostile >>>Takeover or perhaps Lawrence Beesley in S.O.S. >>>Titanic. Eugene really is a loser, but Lawrence is >>>kinda cute, I thought. >> >>All interesting characters are losers in some way, >>aren't they? "Leading men" and action heroes always >>seem a little dull and predictable to me. Give me a >>flawed antihero any day! Eugene is one of my favorite >>characters, and I even liked the movie, although the >>cop interaction was pretty lame and clichéd. But I >>thought the basic story was intriguing and tragic. >> >>I watched SOS Titanic in the middle of the night >>during a severe bout of insomnia, so I don't remember >>much about it, but I agree that he wasn't really a >>loser in it. Didn't he even end up getting the girl >>in the end? Funny, that scene you mentioned, where >>they're talking at the railing, is the one scene that >>comes to mind when I think about the movie! >> >>DW is the best thing about Quest of the Delta Knights. >> He looked great as the good guy, and he was hilarious >>as the bad guy (although I didn't care for the black >>wig!). The MST3K version was great, but did you >>notice that they edited out most of DW's bad-guy >>scenes (sorry, the character's name escapes me at the >>moment!)? I consider that a compliment to DW's >>comedic skills since apparently those scenes weren't >>bad enough for them to spoof--and would probably have >>given the jokesters too much competition! What do you >>think? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Eugene did too Author: HRB [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:15:09 05/27/03 Tue > >Hey, maybe we should start a new thread listing movies >where DW's character gets lucky, that would be a lot >more fun than his bad guy roles. Unfortunately, that would be a very short list. I can only think of three off hand....Eugene, Henry Buchanan, and Morgan. Any one else think of any others? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Another "winner" Author: Suky [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:19:27 06/05/03 Thu Has anyone seen The Little Unicorn? It's airing on Encore this month. DW is definitely *not* a loser in this movie. He plays the heroine's granddad, and he's in it quite a bit. He's one of the few sympathetic characters. (And he looks rather nice with a beard in it too. :-)) I still haven't gotten around to watching it yet, but from what I've seen, he has a similar role in Shergar, doesn't he? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Lucky? Author: Suky [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:19:28 05/28/03 Wed It also depends what you mean by "lucky" ... Some of his bad guys got lucky too (Jack the Ripper got lotsa girls), and Morgan didn't exactly live "happily ever after," at least not in conventional terms! Sounds like a fun topic, but could you clarify the "rules"? Thanks! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Desperado on CMT Author: HRB [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:41:03 09/09/03 Tue Well, Desperado was on CMT again yesterday and I missed it...again. Hopefully, I'll have another chance to catch it since it's one of the very few DW films I haven't seen. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: You're in luck! Author: Jen agin [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:29:50 10/15/03 Wed It's on Tue Oct 21 11:00A CMTV- Country Music Tv. Also, he's in that new (not that the world needed another) Jeckyll & Hyde thingie on Bravo running before Halloween. >Well, Desperado was on CMT again yesterday and I >missed it...again. Hopefully, I'll have another >chance to catch it since it's one of the very few DW >films I haven't seen. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: You're in luck! Author: HRB [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:12:03 10/19/03 Sun Thanks for the heads up, Jen! :) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Jekyll/Hyde Author: Suky [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:42:35 10/20/03 Mon Nice to hear from you again, HRB! Thanks for the heads-up about Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde too, Jen. I probably would have overlooked it if you hadn't mentioned it. Did anybody else catch it? It's not one of my favorite "horror" stories (a little too realistic--a respectable gentleman experiments with drugs and turns into a murderer/rapist, battling his inner demons and bringing himself and those around him to ruin), so I was wondering why (1) it's considered such a Halloween classic and (2) why it's been remade yet *again*. However, John Hannah does a great job with the title roles, convincingly mild-mannered, altruistic, guilt-ridden, and tortured, alternating with hedonistic, menacing, and downright evil ... and, unlike previous versions of Mr. Hyde, with very minimal makeup. The moviemakers make great use of the latest FX technology, which I suppose makes it worth a remake. (I've never seen it, but my friend tells me John Hannah stars as a Scottish detective in the BBC series "Rebus." And I'm sure I'm not the only one who'll recognize him from "The Mummy," where he played the heroine's brother.) Come to think of it, Jekyll/Hyde would've been a great role for David Warner, don't you think? Here, however, he plays yet another purely villainous role--an unscrupulous politician. (Hmm, maybe election season is the real occasion for this airing!) Fortunately, after Hannah, he gets probably the most screen time in the movie, and he gets to show another side of his personality in his memorable last scene. Overall, I thought it was a well-made production. If you missed it, it's on again (in the U.S. at least) on Thursday, October 30, at 9:00 p.m. and 12:00 midnight and Friday the 31st at 4:00 on Bravo. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: You mean it doesn't completely suck? Author: Jen again [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:59:35 10/21/03 Tue Hi and thanks for the review! I saw a tiny bit with jump cuts of John Hannah looking all angsty. However we now have a big projection TV and I never want to see anything disturbing with the baby in the room because the faces are so huge. I'll try to tape one of the Halloween transmissions. I'm so tired of the J&H stuff because there have been so many spinoff versions as well. Mary Reilly was John Malkovich with combed versus mussy hair. Not a fave. However if there's lots of DW then I have a reason to fast-forward through this one! Yay! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Well, I didn't think so! Author: Suky [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:27:50 10/24/03 Fri Yes, it was pretty angsty--and pretty graphic too ... I definitely wouldn't watch it with the baby in the room! BTW, I forgot to mention that DW gets to elicit some momentary sympathy around the middle of the film too . Alas, most of the visual portion of the scene seems to have been left on the cutting room floor. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]