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Subject: Re: North Dakota State Going Big Time, and It's Expensive- NYU Author: Ghost [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 20:50:57 02/24/26 Tue In reply to: SpuytenDuyvil76 's message, "Re: North Dakota State Going Big Time, and It's Expensive" on 07:08:46 02/23/26 Mon NYU's emphasis on a more residential campus life, combined with the vibrancy of Greenwich Village, created huge academic growth in the early '80s. With the university now thriving, and a beautiful new Coles Sports Center up and running, President John Brademas and Chancellor L. Jay Oliva announced a return to college basketball for the Violets. The next day, Dave Gavitt visited the campus with an invitation to join the Big East. MSG Network announced it would start carrying NYU games. But the administration was only interested in a team representative of the student body, with no athletic scholarships. So, Division 3 it was. A couple of years later, watching NYU play at MSG, I sat with Billy Packer, who told me to tell the administration to put him in charge of the men's basketball program and they would return to Division 1. And if they did, he wouldn't take one dollar from the University, he only wanted the academic association. He would raise the necessary money for athletic scholarships, salaries, travel, etc., that all the local executives who were NYU grads would contribute the necessary funds. He said that NYU was the only school that could pack the Garden night after night, like it did in the '50s/'60s. But the administration, with the school thriving, wanted no part of the new Division 1.The Violets have done quite well in Division 3 since then. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> [> [> Subject: NYU Author: sparman [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:06:23 02/25/26 Wed Maybe some others were already aware, but it's this kind of information that can make the Board a useful source.

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: North Dakota State Going Big Time, and It's Expensive- NYU Author: observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:17:33 02/25/26 Wed All good. What is NYU's academic reputation/US News ranking relative to Stanford, Duke, Vanderbilt, Rice, Texas, Michigan and Northwestern? The argument never holds that D3 principles ensures a more "legitimate" academic institution than D1. NYU isn't considered on the level as the above schools. It's invisible to many people outside of the Northeast and NYC metro area. I wonder why?

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: I think this is it Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:39:07 02/25/26 Wed Not sure what kids think today. But I've always thought that NYU competes for students with Boston U, Tufts, Fordham, and other "urban" northeastern colleges not in the Ivy. My gut is that their yield to Columbia is not favorable. If they want to get a national reach, they have to do something different. Getting a more visible athletics program certainly seems like a feasible option.

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: The Explanation for NYU's Enduring Appeal and Application Flow Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:18:32 02/25/26 Wed This is not exactly scientific research, but every year the college guide "Princeton Review" asks both students and their parents to name their dream college. The answers from the parents are invariably some combination of HYP and Stanford, usually topped by Harvard or Princeton. NYU is nowhere to be found on the parents' list. The answers from the students are invariably some combination of HYP and NYU, often with NYU on top. To me, this dichotomy summarizes the niche that NYU fills in the college rat race landscape. It's the choice of kids who want to get away from Mom, Dad and their vanilla whitebread suburban upbringing because they're cooler than all that. This is just me speaking here, but I couldn't imagine a worse place to go to college. Not Greenwich Village, but a campus full of kids who have fled Wellesley and Weston outside Boston or Darien and Westport in Fairfield County to play urban hipster. That's one of my main complaints about Columbia, too. I don't want to attend college with a bunch of 18-year-old suburban expatriates playing like they're a 25-year-old Carrie Bradshaw. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the downtown experience; it was a big part of my adult social life. But you've got your whole life to live in New York; why start when you can't even legally drink? The two greatest things that ever happened for NYU are -- and I say this with all seriousness -- (1) Rudy Giuliani because, although crime rates have been descending in all major American cities since the 1980's, Giuliani took credit for it in NYC and put a face to the fact that America's biggest city *WAS* getting a lot safer; and (2) the 1990's television hit "Friends," which told every kid in Wellesley and Darien, "You too can come to Greenwich Village and play Rachel Green and Monica Geller." Sidebar: I saw Courteney Cox on Jimmy Fallon last night. Time catches up with all of us and, if you don't handle it with grace and dignity, sometimes it's not pretty.

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: North Dakota State Going Big Time, and It's Expensive- NYU Author: joiseyfan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:49:38 02/25/26 Wed observer — The following are included in the US News top 25 national universities: MIT Chicago Johns Hopkins Carnegie Mellon Caltech Emory WashU (St. Louis) By my count, 14 Big Ten schools are not. Do you have a point?

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: North Dakota State Going Big Time, and It's Expensive- NYU Author: observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:38:23 02/25/26 Wed Yes, there is no correlation between small-time sports and superior academics. Big-time sports does not necessarily obviate academic status. NYU is missing a market opportunity that could benefit its students, alumni and many other members of the campus community. WashU, Carnegie Mellon, Hopkins and MIT don't exactly have the same opportunity. St. Louis, Pittsburgh and Baltimore ain't exactly the island of Manhattan.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: NYU could do a two step process in D1 basketball Author: IvySportsJunkie [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:55:01 02/25/26 Wed As noted earlier, NYU could test the waters with a D1 sport, which would give it additional time to further upgrade its athletic facilities. I agree that basketball would be NYU's best opportunity for prime time D1 sports. However, this would require a two step process in basketball. First, NYU would need to play in a lower level D1 eastern conference, such as the Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference (MAAC). Then, after NYU achieves success in a conference like the MAAC, it can move up to a higher level conference like the Atlantic 10 or the Big East. It would be highly unlikely for NYU to be invited into a conference that is above the mid-major basketball level straight from D3 athletics. I selected the above three conferences since the majority of schools in these conferences do not have a football program. The top FBS football conferences rarely invite schools without a football program into their conferences. A recent exception is Gonzaga, who was invited to join the recently rebuilt Pac-12 conference in the fall of 2026. Gonzaga has decades of success in March Madness.

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Of course... Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:42:04 02/25/26 Wed Other than MIT (which is in its own league), the other schools don't have an Ivy a few miles away to deal with. And I never understood the recent rise of WashU. It was considered nothing special back in my day. For whatever reason, its popularity has greatly increased in recent years...

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: North Dakota State Going Big Time, and It's Expensive- NYU Author: Ghost [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:54:05 02/25/26 Wed NYU's undergraduate business school checks in at #5, with only Wharton among the Ivies ahead of them. Current acceptance rate among undergrads is 7.7% so I'd say whatever they're doing is working. They have a healthy, vibrant athletics program, with WBB playing to capacity crowds (2,000) and an 86 game winning streak. MBB made the NCAA Tourney last year. I would think the administration is quite pleased with the combination of great athletics, high level academics and a vibrant campus life in Greenwich Village. One of the other aspects in forming the UAA with other like institutions (Emory, WashU, Chicago, Carnegie Mellon) is that undergraduate student-athletes would get to travel to other UAA schools and compete, essentially a campus visit if you're thinking about graduate school.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: So what's NYU going to do to leapfrog Emory, WashU and CMU? Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 06:13:32 02/26/26 Thu I think leapfrogging U of Chicago is out of reach given that they (like CalTech and MIT) are in a league of their own. But there's no reason why NYU should be lagging behind WashU, Emory, or CMU. To me, NYU is in a similar position as Northwestern. Just as Columbia is always going to be top dog in NYC, so will U of Chicago in the Windy City. Yet Northwestern is widely considered an elite national university (indeed, #7 in USN&WR). As observer notes, Northwestern is doing something that NYU is not--playing in a high-profile athletic league. True, they haven't had tons of success. But they are getting their brand out there. If NYU is truly content to remain where it is, then fine. But if NYU wants to really make a leap to improve their visibility, they should consider doing something similar as Northwestern.