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Subject: Re: Future of Ivy League Football


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Hanover Plain
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Date Posted: 09:02:50 03/06/24 Wed
In reply to: Bengal 's message, "Re: Future of Ivy League Football" on 00:08:01 03/06/24 Wed

Number of “walk-ons”

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Date Posted: 18:36:54 03/06/24 Wed

HP: Yes, the 108/4 year recruit limit was put in during covid ostensibly because players could take a covid year, or covertly to permanently reduce the number of football recruits. The question now is, will the League make that limit permanent? Doing so will be a blow to these programs.

I had not heard they were considering capping ROSTERS and not just recruits at 108, which does seem nutty and very hostile.

There are genuine walk ons who contribute, well beyond the scout team. P's Jack Delgarbino was a top Ohio HS wrestler who also played football. He came to us as a heavyweight wrestler and did not play football his first two years. He missed it and went back to football as a junior, playing in 3 jv games and the Cornell varsity game. But this year, as a starting DL, he had 50 tackles.

During the Hughes era, a HS RB had actually given up the sport for a year, was not a recruited by us, had one D3 offer, decided to give football another try and became a starting RB until illness sidelined him.

Fear the Q: With respect, I fear you are undercounting the needs of an Ivy football program and I think every Ivy HC would tell you so.

For one thing, while some starters do play on certain special teams, there are more than a few who do not. It would be rare to see an OL or DL on a KO team, for example. A number of frosh and sophs get their first taste of varsity play on special teams.

And, while there are some frosh who will be in the 3 deep, I think most Ivy frosh, with the exception of some special teams play, are not going to be ready for varsity position play. This cuts the number of players available to the HC, under a 108 man regime, picking his three deep from among as few as 81 sophs to seniors, assuming they are all healthy which is never the case.

The guys who don't see much varsity action, especially as underclassmen, are not just standing around. They are getting experience in jv games. A number are scout teamers. I am confident that every Ivy team has guys who have not seen much varsity play until they are junior or seniors. They are not surplusage when they are not playing varsity. Every Ivy team carries more than 3 QBs and 3 RBs, as just two examples. P has had QBs who did not play until their senior year in Cole Smith and Davidson.

I cite to examples I am more familiar with, but it would surprise if any Ivy football program had different experiences with walk-ons or saw their depth needs differently.

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