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Subject: Re: Future of Ivy League Football


Author:
Bengal
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Date Posted: 00:08:01 03/06/24 Wed
In reply to: Ivy Patriot 's message, "Future of Ivy League Football" on 12:52:48 03/04/24 Mon

I suppose it is nice someone is thinking these totally unrealistic thoughts, whoever he is. Meanwhile, the Ivy hierarchy might be in the verge of permanently reducing recruit limits to 108 over 4 years. A far more immediate issue and yet another deemphasis of the sport if it happens, which is possible. While these decisions are made by the schools, the Exec Director of the League has a role and could at least be marginally useful. Unfortunately, we have a mediocre person there, at least in these types of issues.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Future of Ivy League Football


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Hanover Plain
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Date Posted: 08:57:05 03/06/24 Wed

The Ivies have already gone to 27 football slots a year (or 108 over four years). That was done several years ago.

They are now thinking of/moving towards also capping football rosters at 108, which would limit the number of walking to a handful.

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[> [> [> Subject: I've said it before...


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 09:23:11 03/06/24 Wed


I understand why places like Ohio State, Alabama, Florida State, etc. limit roster spots. If they have 85 guys on scholarship and another 100 walk-ons, then it's impossible to get practices or meetings done efficiently because there are too many people.

That danger is not a problem in the Ivy League. I've been following the league for a while and I can't recall any roster that had more than 115 players. That is a very manageable number.

So what's the point of roster caps for the Ivy? Why tell five or six guys that they can't suit up and run scout team stuff at practice?

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: I've said it before...


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Fear the Quaker
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Date Posted: 10:30:05 03/06/24 Wed

Scout teams are 11 players and starters are 11 players, so a total of 44. Add in injuries , and how many guys do you need. I think too many players leaves a bunch of guys just standing there. A 3 deep depth chart is 66 plus kickers, possibly 75.

If a guy wants to stand there, I guess. There are only so many players that are good enough to get on the field.

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Go Green
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Date Posted: 12:48:15 03/06/24 Wed


It's not my recollection that the same 11 guys ran every play on scout teams.

They'd rotate, too.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: I've said it before...


Author:
McDonald
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Date Posted: 19:21:24 03/06/24 Wed

There are plenty of Ivy students who figuratively “stand around” in student government, student journalism, marching band, you name it. There are relatively few activities where there is a physical or capacity constraint if the desire for participation is there.

The question is, “Is football one of those capacity-constrained activities?”

Not at less than 115, it’s not.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Future of Ivy League Football


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Hanover Plain
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Date Posted: 09:02:50 03/06/24 Wed

Number of “walk-ons”

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[> [> Subject: A few responses


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Bengal
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Date Posted: 18:36:54 03/06/24 Wed

HP: Yes, the 108/4 year recruit limit was put in during covid ostensibly because players could take a covid year, or covertly to permanently reduce the number of football recruits. The question now is, will the League make that limit permanent? Doing so will be a blow to these programs.

I had not heard they were considering capping ROSTERS and not just recruits at 108, which does seem nutty and very hostile.

There are genuine walk ons who contribute, well beyond the scout team. P's Jack Delgarbino was a top Ohio HS wrestler who also played football. He came to us as a heavyweight wrestler and did not play football his first two years. He missed it and went back to football as a junior, playing in 3 jv games and the Cornell varsity game. But this year, as a starting DL, he had 50 tackles.

During the Hughes era, a HS RB had actually given up the sport for a year, was not a recruited by us, had one D3 offer, decided to give football another try and became a starting RB until illness sidelined him.

Fear the Q: With respect, I fear you are undercounting the needs of an Ivy football program and I think every Ivy HC would tell you so.

For one thing, while some starters do play on certain special teams, there are more than a few who do not. It would be rare to see an OL or DL on a KO team, for example. A number of frosh and sophs get their first taste of varsity play on special teams.

And, while there are some frosh who will be in the 3 deep, I think most Ivy frosh, with the exception of some special teams play, are not going to be ready for varsity position play. This cuts the number of players available to the HC, under a 108 man regime, picking his three deep from among as few as 81 sophs to seniors, assuming they are all healthy which is never the case.

The guys who don't see much varsity action, especially as underclassmen, are not just standing around. They are getting experience in jv games. A number are scout teamers. I am confident that every Ivy team has guys who have not seen much varsity play until they are junior or seniors. They are not surplusage when they are not playing varsity. Every Ivy team carries more than 3 QBs and 3 RBs, as just two examples. P has had QBs who did not play until their senior year in Cole Smith and Davidson.

I cite to examples I am more familiar with, but it would surprise if any Ivy football program had different experiences with walk-ons or saw their depth needs differently.

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