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Subject: For openers... Author: Go Green [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 08:27:38 03/12/24 Tue In reply to: Greenhorn 's message, "Re: Dartmouth MBB" on 21:08:13 03/11/24 Mon It would be a very a-hole move on Dartmouth's part. That's just not our style... [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> [> [> Subject: My Experience in Labor Organizing Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:25:29 03/12/24 Tue Back when I was in sixth grade -- as a reminder, that's elementary school -- like the Dartmouth basketball players, I got swept up in the heady emotions of the times and organized my peers. I formed something called the SARC, the Student Active Rights Committee. I rallied my fellow sixth-graders and we asked for more of a voice in how our school was run. The administration of my elementary school reacted beautifully. They allowed me to address my classmates during school time and were receptive to considering our "demands." They treated us, as least superficially, seriously. Then they waited for us to graduate to junior high school. I recommend that Dartmouth treat their college students as my elementary school principal and teachers treated me. Communicate, appeal the ruling through the courts and delay as much as possible. Like me in sixth grade, these rabble rousers will graduate. And as I did when I arrived in junior high school, they will soon forget about their grievances and move on in life. If not, shut down the team. Seriously, I doubt it will come to that but, if we are still here at the end of the appeals process, it's time to pull a President Reagan/Air Traffic Controllers Union. There's a time for smiles and handshakes, then there's a time to show that you have options. Shut down the team. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Query for everyone... Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:58:41 03/12/24 Tue Can anyone give examples of an Ivy school being very petty, acting completely out of spite? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Query for everyone... Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:41:25 03/12/24 Tue I disagree that shutting down the team is tantamount to acting out of spite. The Dartmouth men's basketball players are asking -- indeed, they are demanding -- to be treated as employees. They filed a motion with the National LABOR Relations Board to be treated as such. What is the relationship between any company and the employees of said company? The employees provide labor to the company which combines that labor with capital and goodwill in the form of branding and customer relationships to create economic value. If the economic value created at the back end does not justify the investment of labor and capital, then the company has difficult decisions to make. That's how our system works. That's how it should work. Well, what economic value does the Dartmouth men's basketball team create? Let's see, the sports teams at any college create learning opportunities for the players, fun for the students and other fans, plus potentially revenue and profit if there is enough attendance or television interest. At Dartmouth, the men's basketball team creates little revenue and certainly negative profit. One could argue that it creates fun for the fans but, at the margin, the team contributes little beyond what the football team does. So the Dartmouth men's basketball team is like a small, money-losing division of a larger enterprise which has goals and needs of its own, but also constraints and funding requirements. Team players: "We're a business. Treat us like a business." Dartmouth: "Okay, you're a business. Now you're out of business." That's not spite. That's Lesson 1 in Business for the players. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: I think the better analogy would be... Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 07:48:41 03/13/24 Wed Imagine if Brown dropped its entire varsity athletic program after it lost the Title IX suit. Too expensive to have gender equality in sports teams and all that... That's pretty much the equivalent of what you (and others) suggest that Dartmouth do if they are not successful in challenging the union vote in the courts. I mean, as far as I can tell, the union hasn't even made a demand to the college yet. Can't you at least wait until they make some sort of monetary demand before recommending that the team be disbanded? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]