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Subject: Brian Earl resigns takes the William & Mary opening Author: Ed S. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 10:20:08 03/23/24 Sat WILLIAMSBURG, Va. – William & Mary Athletics Director Brian D. Mann announced today that Cornell University head coach Brian Earl will take the reins of men's basketball at W&M. Earl becomes the 32nd head coach in the Tribe's 119-year history. He will be formally introduced to the Tribe community at a date to be determined. The 1999 Ivy League Player of the Year at Princeton, Earl joins W&M after spending the last seven seasons as the head coach at Cornell, where he led the Big Red to numerous offensive milestones and its first-ever NIT bid this year. "Our applicant pool for this position was outstanding," said Mann, "and Brian Earl's background of successfully playing and coaching at top academic institutions vaulted him to the top of our list. His teams have been extremely well coached and competitive in the Ivy League and beyond. Brian is incredibly excited about our program and the opportunities for winning here, and we are delighted he will be leading the Tribe toward achieving the goals we have set for the program." [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Re: Brian Earl resigns takes the William & Mary opening Author: Old Lion (Odd move) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:34:24 03/23/24 Sat Sounds like a Kyle Smith situation—achieves some success and then goes off to another mid-major. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Brian Earl resigns takes the William & Mary opening Author: joiseyfan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:47:24 03/23/24 Sat Not as strange as Sydney Johnson going to Fairfield. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Brian Earl resigns takes the William & Mary opening Author: sparman [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:05:41 03/23/24 Sat This might support the argument Henderson isn't going anywhere. I would be surprised if Earl didn't touch base at least informally with NJ. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Brian Earl resigns takes the William & Mary opening Author: Roar Lion [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:04:42 03/23/24 Sat Is it money? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Brian Earl resigns takes the William & Mary opening Author: Ivy Patriot [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:17:42 03/23/24 Sat W&M athletic director is a former Dartmouth quarterback who obviously knows the league well. He wasted no time after letting the last coach go and probably had his sites set on Earl from the get-go. The Tribe has never been to the NCAA Tournament, so while Earl inherits a big job they may erect a statue of him if they ever get to the Dance. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Brian Earl resigns takes the William & Mary opening Author: HDallmar [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:13:39 03/24/24 Sun Sydney Johnson went from making 200k to 600k. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Brian Earl resigns takes the William & Mary opening Author: Ghost [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:05:41 03/25/24 Mon Brian Earl is a smart guy. He and his staff did a tremendous job, getting Cornell into the top half of the league. Time to go. Restrictive admissions policies, brutal weather, campus indifference to athletics, but despite these hurdles, got it done. W & M is a beautiful place with a low ceiling, Ivy-centric AD, perfect landing strip. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Brian Earl resigns takes the William & Mary opening Author: Old Red [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:09:03 03/25/24 Mon re Campus indifference - changing as related to basketball - Newman arena attendance close to capacity and raukus for Princeton and Yale late season home games. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Brian Earl resigns takes the William & Mary opening Author: Ghost [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:33:18 03/25/24 Mon Enough said https://tribeathletics.com/facilities/kaplan-arena/3 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: William & Mary Author: Terrace72 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:17:00 03/25/24 Mon The more I read, the more sense this makes. I had forgotten that W&M is in Williamsburg, such a beautiful and charming location. And an excellent school. As mentioned, the AD is a Dartmouth football player, and even the president in her bio claims she is an athlete. (A little digging: she played Ultimate Frisbee at Carlton, and coached the sport successfully in her academic career. Please no frisbee comments.) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: William & Mary Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:30:48 03/26/24 Tue I'd be very surprised if W&M tripled Earl's salary the way Fairfield reportedly did with Johnson. It's not my impression that W&M takes basketball that seriously... [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Why did Sydney Johnson leave? Author: Bengal [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:06:15 03/24/24 Sun The departure of Sydney Johnson as P HC has been raised here. I don’t think it is as inexplicable as it appears, even after he had said a few weeks before, “I love, love, love Princeton basketball.” I don’t doubt that a bigger comp package was a factor. I never spoke to him. But one of his closest associates in the Department told me Admissions was a definite factor. I don’t recall with complete certainty, frankly, whether this person told me it was the predominant factor. Without going into detail but this was at a time when our comparative admissions disadvantage was somewhat exacerbated leading to great frustration. This is a recurring obstacle at P that coaches have to overcome. It isn’t that we don’t take low end admits, it is the totality of teams’ admissions picture, including sometimes players we can’t admit that wind up on other Ivy rosters. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Why did Sydney Johnson leave? Author: Lurker [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:31:54 03/24/24 Sun If P has so much difficulty admitting their recruits, to what is their outsized success across all sports owed? Something in the water? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Why did Sydney Johnson leave? Author: Bengal [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:55:03 03/24/24 Sun Yes. Also generally excellent coaches and facilities. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Why did Sydney Johnson leave? Author: Lurker [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:03:31 03/24/24 Sun I know back in my day there were certainly “enhancements” available in central NJ [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Why did Sydney Johnson leave? Author: Old Lion (George Young) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 06:13:35 03/25/24 Mon The late and great GM of the Giants once uttered a universal truth: “when they say it’s not about the money it’s always about the money.” [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Why did Sydney Johnson leave? Author: Bengal [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:29:49 03/25/24 Mon He was a great football man. He never coached in the Ivy League, nor, I believe, in college. So, with great respect, no, he is not speaking a universal truth. Moreover, well before today, non-money factors like Ivy limits on sports -- for example, the one-time effort to limit intercollegiate athletes' exposure to their coaches -- resulted in the loss of at least one great Ivy coach at Princeton in a women's sport, and probably other Ivy coaches. If the trend continues, like chopping down the number of Ivy football recruits permanently (let alone limiting the roster, which I have a difficult time believing they are actually considering), you may see the loss of other Ivy coaches. Money would only be an add-on factor. OL -- I enjoy reading your posts. I will give you what IMO is a much more apt quote: "A bird likes to fly, a coach likes to win." Pete Carril. When P declined to match the moves of the rising power, in addition to traditional admissions differences P coaches often face, Johnson left. Money no do doubt comes in, but I consider my source unimpeachable and for Johnson it wasn't only about the money. Cheers. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Why did Sydney Johnson leave? Author: joiseyfan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:10:58 03/25/24 Mon OL — Whatever else Carril was (your favorite adjective here), he was not insane. Yet the open question is whether he turned the Celtics down three times, or only twice. Once he retired, he went immediately to the NBA. Discuss. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Why did Sydney Johnson leave? Author: Bengal [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:36:38 03/25/24 Mon When he declined to take, I believe, the BC job at one point he explained it this way: “maybe it’s because I prefer hamburger to filet mignon.” I think in reference to any potential NBA HC job: “they don’t believe in coach’s rights.” I don’t know if he was ever offered an NBA job. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Why did Sydney Johnson leave? Author: Terrace72 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:28:57 03/24/24 Sun I certainly have no inside info, and I always assumed the move to Fairfield was for financial reasons. But with regard to the allusion to admissions, this was also at a time when Amaker was on the rise at Harvard, so I can see SJ deciding that he might not be able to compete without some change in admission policies. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Why did Sydney Johnson leave? Author: Dixie [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:10:00 03/24/24 Sun That was in 2011. Amaker and Harvard had been on a straight moon shot upwards since his arrival in 2007, winning more Ivy games every season. The New York Times had published its feature story in 2010 detailing how Amaker was recruiting kids that Craig Robinson at Brown said, academically “we couldn’t touch.” Harvard tied Princeton for the title in 2011, but lost the epic playoff game due to Douglas Davis’ buzzer beater. If at that time, somebody had offered you $1 million to identify the dominant Ivy men’s basketball program from 2011 through 2024, would you have said Yale and Princeton? No, you would have said Harvard. So did Sydney Johnson. And Fairfield paid him more than $2 million (delta versus Princeton salary) to express that view. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Why did Sydney Johnson leave? Author: sparman [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:35:52 03/24/24 Sun I recall lots of discussion at the time whether the salary increase would be enough to justify the move if it turned out to be only temporary. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Why did Sydney Johnson leave? Author: RedWin [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:17:04 03/25/24 Mon A real bummer even though Brian Earl never won an Ivy League title. He had some good teams and many alums were hoping Brian Earl was committed to the program. William & Mary while a nice school, is a lateral move. Anyway on the website it says John Jaques '10 has been named interim head coach and given his background, it may be time for him to take over the HC job at Cornell. Go Big Red! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Why did Sydney Johnson leave? Author: Ghost [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:20:19 03/26/24 Tue John Jacques is a talented guy, saw his work while at Columbia, Cornell would be wise to take a good, hard look at him. William & Mary, with its' picturesque campus, academic strength and competitive commitment, is hardly a lateral move. Your Ivy snobbishness is showing. A lot of good coaches can't wait to win and escape (Joe Jones, Kyle Smith, Joe Scott) and be able to play on a level field with scholarships. The CAA offers outstanding competition without the Ivy academic restrictions along with terrific facilities. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Why did Sydney Johnson leave? Author: sparman [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 20:16:11 03/26/24 Tue I don't believe you are familiar with Joe Scott's coaching tenure in NJ. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Why did Sydney Johnson leave? Author: Ghost [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:54:26 03/27/24 Wed Weren't the Tigers among the top defensive teams in the country right away? Didn't he do a good job rebuilding Denver's program after that? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Why did Sydney Johnson leave? Author: sparman [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:16:06 03/27/24 Wed Your statement was that "a lot of good coaches can't wait to win and escape (Joe Jones, Kyle Smith, Joe Scott)...." which to me clearly implies that Scott was anxious to leave at the earliest opportunity. I don't believe he took the job intending to use it as a quick stepping stone, and the reality - unfortunately for Tiger fans - was that his coaching record was poor enough that the university was forced to make a change, which it rarely does and especially not regarding an alum who was a Carril protege. Defensive stats or not, as GG loves to constantly remind everyone, losing to Carnegie Mellon and an overall record below .500 with a final 2-12 conference record will do that. Whether he's generally a good coach isn't the question, it's whether he was only waiting to get out of NJ at the first opportunity as you stated. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Darn! You beat me to it! Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:16:18 03/27/24 Wed I'll try to be quicker next time! :) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Darn! You beat me to it! Author: Ghost [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:32:08 03/27/24 Wed Do you want to challenge my other examples or do you want more? Paul Cormier? Traded in Dartmouth for Fairfield after winning with his own players, then seeing it was unsustainable. How would you classify Steve Donahue cashing in Cornell's magical Sweet 16 run to take Boston College? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Darn! You beat me to it! Author: sparman [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:28:34 03/27/24 Wed I wanted to point out including Scott on your list was incorrect. I said nothing about the others listed or your general claim. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Darn! You beat me to it! Author: Ghost [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:25:39 03/27/24 Wed Fair. Sometimes the coach and the school don't match up, meaning it's a bad hire. While Joe Scott and Princeton did not, he went on to prove he is a pretty good coach. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Hindsight is 20/20 Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:34:19 03/27/24 Wed In hindsight, everyone should have seen that Scott was a bad pick. From what I understand, he preferred a strict traditional Princeton offense in the mold of Carril's glory days. Carmody and JTII had moved away from that strategy and allowed players more freedom. They liked the freedom. They liked dunking. And they had success with it. So when Scott wanted them to turn back the clock, it's not surprising when players didn't buy into it. And I'm sure Scott picked up a few coaching habits at Air Force that didn't go over well with the Tigers. All around, it was a bad fit. Both Princeton and Scott were better off without the other. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Hindsight is 20/20 Author: Ghost [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:05:52 03/27/24 Wed Thank you for the insightful background on the Joe Scott/Princeton mistake. Was that a rare Gary Walters mistake? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Darn! You beat me to it! Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:12:13 03/27/24 Wed As an outsider looking in, my sense is that, it wasn't just the form or degree of Princeton offense Joe Scott ran which was the issue. At Air Force, Scott succeeded spectacularly while screaming at his players like Vince Lombardi and Bear Bryant rolled into one. That worked at AFA because, well, those guys are self-selected young men who've decided they don't mind being yelled at. And if you've got a drill instructor like Louis Gossett Jr getting in your face all day, having a guy like Joe Scott yell at you at practice probably isn't so bad. But Ivy League students of the twenty-first century don't tolerate being yelled at so well. Combine losing record with being yelled at and you've got an issue with the coach. By the way, if you want to make sure that you can respond in a timely manner to triggering posts from others, might I suggest using this quick and easy method of responding? Just type in the appropriate letter and hit [send]: A. Princeton lost to Division III Carnegie Mellon and, worse, went scoreless during the game B. Judson Wallace said that Princeton basketball would never lose another game, ever C. Steve Tosches going for a tie and an outright football championship in 1995 showed weakness of character. That's why I don't like Princeton people; they're weak and worthless In the same vein, I'm going to use my own numbered response system: 1. I don't like that Harvard in the mid- and late 2000's lowered academic standards in men's basketball, kicking off a bit of an arms race in that direction 2. Paying college athletes and soon enough high school and junior high athletes is a terrible idea and will do great harm to America 3. We live in a golden age of Ivy athletics. We should all be grateful 4. You know, that reminds me of a woman I once dated [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: I like it!!! Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:30:21 03/27/24 Wed But B) should be Quinn Epperly saying that it would be unacceptable for Princeton Football to lose a game. If Wallace ever said something outlandish, I missed it. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: I like it!!! Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 23:41:16 03/27/24 Wed Somehow, I doubt you would miss it. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Sad news Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:47:45 03/29/24 Fri Louis Gossett Jr. has passed. https://apnews.com/article/louis-gossett-jr-dies-1e86e1441ec8b614a282f3de22490a07 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Sad news Author: Ghost [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:48:58 03/29/24 Fri Great actor, played basketball for NYU. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Sad news Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 23:48:14 03/29/24 Fri This is kind of a weird feeling. I haven't thought about or mentioned Louis Gossett Jr in years. I type his name here and the man almost immediately drops dead. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Was thinking the same thing…. Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:52:36 03/30/24 Sat I’m worried about all those women you’ve brought up on the board over the years. I hope they’re ok… [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: How Many Coaches Build Their New School Into A Power Which Beats Down Their Alma Mater? Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 23:26:17 03/25/24 Mon I can think of a few, but not too many. Others will have to refresh my memory on highly successful Ivy League head coaches who played at a different Ivy. Brian Earl didn't just play at Princeton. He was Ivy player of the year there and is associated with the 1998 Tigers, one of the all-time great Ivy squads. He was an assistant coach at Princeton and no doubt would have loved to have been promoted before Henderson was brought in from Northwestern. Earl showed his loyalty by staying on as assistant under the new man, perhaps biding his time. I think that there are three main categories of head coaches in the Ivy League: (1) the kind who is happy to work at an outstanding academic institution with great kids and, if given the opportunity, will stick around for a long time through thick and thin. Think Pete Carril for mostly thick and think Frank Sullivan for mostly thin. James Jones is the current example and is also interesting in that his tenure was mostly middling for 15 years (though only once finished as low as fifth, in his first season in New Haven), but then improved to mostly thick. (2) the kind who is more ambitious and wants to succeed at the Ivy as a springboard for greater things. Kyle Smith is the latest coach to show us how this is done. (3) the kind who coaches at his alma mater and has all the special emotional ties which result from having once sweated and bled on that same hardwood floor. Mitch Henderson is the current example. Then there are guys who start in one of categories (1), (2) or (3), but circumstances change: (4) Sydney Johnson might have been a career Category (3) head coach, but Tommy Amaker's arrival at Harvard and the new era of admissions policies in Cambridge probably made Johnson re-evaluate his status. Coaching at Princeton after you played there is professionally and personally rewarding, but it's different when you're half of a Penn-Princeton duopoly versus finishing behind Harvard every year. Being paid a lot of money by Fairfield and going out on top after a championship probably made leaving his alma mater a little easier. Does anybody know what Johnson is doing today? I can't think of any examples of men's basketball head coaches who stuck around for a long time at a different Ivy program after playing at a different Ivy. What's my point? When guys like Craig Robinson or Brian Earl take jobs at Brown and Cornell, respectively, I'm guessing that they know the gig is not their last coaching stop, but rather a step in the right direction. They know that they are Category (2) coaches unless they get the opportunity to become a Category (3) coach. Both Robinson and Earl improved their new programs significantly, but could you imagine them putting in the time to build Brown or Cornell into a League power and then year after year putting Princeton down? I don't think that would be easy to do. I know there are examples of Ivy coaches in other sports besides men's basketball. But none are coming to mind in hoops. I'm guessing that Brian Earl knew when he took the Cornell job that either he could parlay it into the Princeton job if Henderson left or that he would take the Big Red as far as he thought he could and then look outside the League. All idle speculation based on my observation of human nature rather than any insight on the individual involved. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: How Many Coaches Build Their New School Into A Power Which Beats Down Their Alma Mater? Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:53:57 03/26/24 Tue John Lyons coached at Dartmouth but played at Penn. Courtney Banghart coached at Princeton but played at Dartmouth Armond Hill coached at Columbia but played at Princeton. I'm sure others can add to the list... [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: How Many Coaches Build Their New School Into A Power Which Beats Down Their Alma Mater? Author: HDallmar [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:16:21 03/26/24 Tue Johnson is with the Chicago team in the WMBA. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: How Many Coaches Build Their New School Into A Power Which Beats Down Their Alma Mater? Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:31:25 03/26/24 Tue I'll give you John Lyons as a Category (1) coach. Armond Hill is clearly a Category (2) coach though, if he had won at Columbia, they would have built him a statue right next to Al Bagnoli. Courtney Banghart started as a Category (1) coach but won so many championships and achieved so much acclaim that she re-evaluated her position, as did Sydney Johnson. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: How Many Coaches Build Their New School Into A Power Which Beats Down Their Alma Mater? Author: Ghost [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:44:39 03/26/24 Tue There are NO plans to build a statue for Al Bagnoli (35-35, 20-29 in the Ivies). [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: This got me thinking... Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:04:32 03/29/24 Fri What schools *have* made tributes to their past football coaches? Dartmouth will be re-naming Memorial Field for Buddy Teevens. But our practice fields are named after Bob Blackman. Did Yale do anything for Cozza? I vaguely recall there's a walkway near the Bowl for Walter Camp? There's a plaque for Percy Haughton on Harvard Stadium. Anything for Yovicsin, Restic, or Murphy? Anything for Bagnoli at Penn? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: This got me thinking... Author: Ghost [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:15:03 03/29/24 Fri Bill Campbell's #67 is on the field at Columbia. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: This got me thinking... Author: joiseyfan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:19:21 03/29/24 Fri The huge Princeton locker/warmup facility for track & field, DeNunzio Pool and everything in Jadwin is Caldwell Field House. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: This got me thinking... Author: Tiger81 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:00:43 03/30/24 Sat Roper Lane runs from Prospect Street down to Princeton Stadium, presumably named for Bill Roper [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: How Many Coaches Build Their New School Into A Power Which Beats Down Their Alma Mater? Author: joiseyfan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:19:47 03/26/24 Tue In a truly peculiar confluence of multiple discussion points here — Butch van Breda Kolff’s son Jan was one of the most prized recruits in the country in 1970 — He (a legacy, Butch was ‘45) was turned down by Princeton admissions in one of the most insane Carril Heartbreak Hotel episodes — He was the MVP of the SEC at Vanderbilt, then played against Brian Taylor in the fledgling ABA — He ended up as Carril’s assistant at Princeton — He was hired as HC by Cornell in 1991 — After two years and a 16-10 season, he was gone… to Vanderbilt As the Old Perfesser said: You could look it up. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Brian Earl resigns takes the William & Mary opening Author: observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:58:45 03/27/24 Wed The difference between Sydney and Brian is that Brian knows that the decks are stacked against Cornell in the current Ivy model. Princeton has so many advantages that coaching alone won't make a difference. It's not a surprise that once Harvard and Yale stopped artificially suppressing their basketball programs in admissions and financial support that Penn would drop out of the duopoly. The Ivy League is at an inflection point - both internally and as a member of the larger national conversation. What happens in the next 15 months may determine the future of all 8 programs, and the league brand. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Brian Earl resigns takes the William & Mary opening Author: M3 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:08:46 03/27/24 Wed Last weekend I was sitting in a business class seat from Newark to Atlanta. I had a great conversation with a fellow who is a big financial supporter of the football program at FSU On average team members will be getting >$50K for being a team member with more going to the skill position players. That is the new model for football/basketball. Without a formal salary cap many, not all, D1 football/basketball programs are going to collapse from a competitive standpoint as they will not be able to hire good players. The Ivies will be in a position to pick up the scraps if they use NIL to make attending their schools totally cost free and not dependent on any Fin Aid calculations. This would eliminate the HYP advantage vis a vis Fin Aid. Ivy League athletic boosters will have a big role to play in the next couple of years. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Brian Earl resigns takes the William & Mary opening Author: observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:35:19 03/27/24 Wed There is no way that Ivy officials will allow alumni to fund NIL for some sports and not others. And there is no way that donors will agree to spend on field hockey as a precondition to pay for football NIL. The irony of the fact that the league is more than willing to accept an unequal playing field among the 8 schools but not among the 30+ sports is what will doom the conference. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Brian Earl resigns takes the William & Mary opening Author: Lurker [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:19:23 03/27/24 Wed NIL is specifically independent of the university. The administration has no standing to object [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Brian Earl resigns takes the William & Mary opening Author: M3 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:24:15 03/27/24 Wed You are totally clueless. Tagd day at Princeton is the one day a year when the University allows the athletic department to have a 24 hour marathon to raise money for individual athletic teams. There are certain goals that are expected by each team (men and women) to cover expenses not covered by endowed funds. If those goals are not met there is no money to pay for next years travel expenses or assistant coaches or recruiting trips. Fortunately for Princeton Tagd day goals are met or exceeded every year by generous alumni/ae. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]