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Subject: Kyle Smith


Author:
Old Lion (Stanford)
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Date Posted: 11:51:59 03/25/24 Mon

Kyle Smith was just named the new HC at Stanford. Great hire for Stanford.

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[> Subject: Re: Kyle Smith


Author:
Roar Lion
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Date Posted: 12:25:08 03/25/24 Mon

Loyal he is not, but the guy is a winner. Great job for him and great hire for Stanford.

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[> Subject: Re: Kyle Smith


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Uptown
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Date Posted: 13:32:18 03/25/24 Mon

Why be loyal? It's like the wild west in college hoops land. Go go for the money. The players are.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Kyle Smith


Author:
Old Lion (George Young)
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Date Posted: 13:42:38 03/25/24 Mon

“When they say it’s not about the money it's always about the money.”

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[> [> Subject: Re: Kyle Smith


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Lurker
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Date Posted: 18:17:00 03/25/24 Mon

Dont you have that backwards? Coaches have been grossly overpaid at the expense of unpaid labor. Players are finally able to start translating their efforts into earnings

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Kyle Smith


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Uptown
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Date Posted: 11:18:03 03/26/24 Tue

Unpaid labor? They're getting an ivy league education while playing a game. And, btw, we have very few people quality players. It's an extracurricular activity. Are we going to have to consider paying the chess team next?

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Kyle Smith


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Uptown
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Date Posted: 11:19:18 03/26/24 Tue

That is: pro quality players.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Kyle Smith


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sparman
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Date Posted: 11:41:25 03/26/24 Tue

"Are we going to have to consider paying the chess team next?"

Without question, but why are you leaving out the checkers, ultimate frisbee, and equestrian teams?

And of course the Dartmouth Ski Team members need NIL too, if you want to keep them from transferring to Utah.

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[> [> [> Subject: College Athletes Are About to Become Way Way Overpaid


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 12:11:01 03/26/24 Tue

Lurker, you are correct in that coaches have been grossly overpaid in the sense that they run a medium-sized business on campus which (a) for the vast majority of programs, receives college resources and attention far in excess of what their business could justify on the basis of revenues or profits; and (b) historically relied on labor which was paid on a non-cash basis.

If your social goal is to start overpaying the players, too, I have good news for you. The vast majority of them are about to get overpaid relative to their ability to generate revenues or profits and way WAY overpaid relative to their basketball (or football) abilities.

Prior to the introduction of NFL rookie contracts, who were the most overpaid athletes in professional football? Rookies.

Rookies were overpaid because they were paid on the basis of potential. As we see time and time again, from Ryan Leaf to Tom Brady, potential is very difficult to judge. Xaivian Lee only received one Division I offer, from the guys who play inside Jadwin Gym.

NFL teams could not help themselves from overpaying when evaluating potential. Rookies were paid far in excess of the probabilistic likelihood that they could actually help their team win football games.

It got so bad that the NFL owners decided that they had to collude to prevent themselves from overpaying and it was so bad that the players union **AGREED** to it.

The rookies were so overpaid that their own players union agreed, "Yeah, this is egregious and has to stop. The rookies are taking money which should be paid to the veterans." Hence, the implementation of the NFL rookie contract which is the most outrageous monopsonistic wage-limiting device in American labor. It's hard to believe that Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders haven't tried to outlaw it.

Well, college athletes are recruited on the basis mostly on the basis of potential. Judging potential for college freshmen is much more difficult than judging potential for NFL rookies. The evaluation of potential will be, on average, even more incorrect with the skew to the upside, not the downside. Xaivian Lee will be the exception, not the rule. College boosters, just like NFL owners, will rapidly bid up the prices for incoming freshman athletes far in excess of their true underlying value.

This will filter down to American high schools and junior high schools and, I've said many times over the last couple of years, ensure the lack of progress for the American economic and social underclass.

Check back in a few years. While the rest of America will continue on the incredible eight-decade run of prosperity and progress since World War II, the primary feeder class of great athletes to the NFL and NBA will be have been stagnant economically. And one important contributing reason will have been when we started paying college athletes in 2023. Shame on us as a society. And shame on any fans in favor of paying college athletes.

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[> Subject: Re: Kyle Smith


Author:
Dabney
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Date Posted: 13:38:21 03/25/24 Mon

Good career management from Kyle Smith.

As Uptown suggested, there was a time when a coach might have thought of being loyal to either his institution or his players. While the latter sounded more plausible back then, sadly, with the players acting purely as the guns for hire that they are today, the only loyalty left is to the institution.

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[> Subject: Re: Kyle Smith


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Ghost
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Date Posted: 13:47:24 03/25/24 Mon

Loyal? Give me a break. Pullman vs the Bay Area? Are you kidding me? The guy got the job done in a difficult setting, move on.

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[> Subject: Re: Kyle Smith


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Roar Lion
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Date Posted: 14:56:07 03/25/24 Mon

I don't disagree. I found it head scratching when he said he took the USF job because he wanted to raise his family in the Bay Area and then left after three years to raise his family in Pullman, WA. But would not argue that Stanford is a dream job. Clearly, he should take it. I imagine he will do very well there, as he has done everywhere he's gone.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Kyle Smith


Author:
Old Lion (Brian Earl)
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Date Posted: 15:23:53 03/25/24 Mon

Give him 3 years at W&M, and if he’s successful, look for him to follow a similar career trajectory as did Kyle. Money talks

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Kyle Smith


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Ghost
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Date Posted: 16:30:18 03/25/24 Mon

Agree. Both are talented guys who won where many couldn't. Hopefully Jon Jacques, talented Cornell associate head coach who also worked at Columbia, gets a live shot at the HC job or has the chance to go to beautiful Williamsburg.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Mack


Author:
Richard (Kent)
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Date Posted: 12:40:46 03/26/24 Tue

He is now in the portal. This is horrible for the Ivy. I am saying again that some movement to serious NIL/collectives needs to be made yesterday to alleviate this huge problem.

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