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Subject: NIL COLLECTIVES Author: Richard (Kent) [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 22:56:19 03/20/24 Wed It is mandatory that they start yesterday. Not as pay for play. Yes, with an earnest quid pro quo. The lack will gut the league. They are misunderstood on this and the other Ivy "board."They are not odious. I do it for a living. Rutgers,Ohio State,Oklahoma,Bryant,Towson,etc.The NIL community is incredulous that no Ivy collective has been created. There is a seriois discussion at one Ivy.No league or unoversity edict can stop a collective. It is a court granted right. Please email me at rkent@mbnllp.com if you want info. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Are you sure about that ? Author: sparman [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 23:14:46 03/20/24 Wed https://goprincetontigers.com/news/2023/5/24/general-princeton-athletics-partners-with-opendorse-to-launch-official-nil-marketplace-app [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Are you sure about that ? Author: Richard (Kent) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 23:23:52 03/20/24 Wed Yes, I am sure. That is noting but listings on a bulletin board. It is funny. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Are you sure about that ? Author: Ghost [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:47:27 03/21/24 Thu Thank you for posting and bringing this news to the old school Ivy thinkers. Totally agree that top players will have to choose between earning $$ now and later or earning $$ later. No way do I see the Presidents/ADs buying into this concept. The quality of play in football is already suffering, the basketball programs still have national tv/post season opportunities but will start to suffer, if not already. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Are you sure about that ? Author: Richard (Kent) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:57:08 03/21/24 Thu Let's put some meat on the bones and offer a provacative query. Nova and Georgetown, 2 good academic schools each have 3.5 million in their basketball only collective. They will pay $500000 plus to get a starter of value. Yes,even the Drexel big.3 Ivy kids have a value larger than that. 2 have a valie of $300000. So here is the question? Do you go to Georgetown or Northwestern and eschew your Penn or Cornell degree for those dollars and a great education. Most would say yes. Do you move over to Pitino and the Vitamin water guy. Nope. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Are you sure about that ? Author: Ivy Patriot [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:29:28 03/21/24 Thu There is absolutely nothing wrong with a Georgetown or Northwestern degree. Take the money, have the big-time basketball experience and then do your graduate work in the Ivy League. It's a win-win. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Are you sure about that ? Author: Ghost [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:02:22 03/21/24 Thu Or Rice, Tulane, Vanderbilt........... [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Are you sure about that ? Author: sparman [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:37:08 03/21/24 Thu If you want to keep up with the D1 trend - which will probably only get more tilted toward treating players like paid contractors (or employees) - then sure. I question whether the ivy presidents want to jump into that model, versus de-emphasizing and going D3. (I know that D-3 can offer NIL collectives, but AFAIK there only a couple actually doing it). Some may disagree about what should be done, I am merely commenting on what I think they would be inclined to do, given the fraught history over athletic scholarships and use of admission slots. Just as degrees from NW or others can be valuable, so can degrees from academic D-3 schools. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Are you sure about that ? Author: Richard (Kent) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:08:30 03/21/24 Thu No way on the planet that athletic donors, who are a LARGE segment of donors would permit that move to D3. Lacrosse alimni,by way of example would revolt. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Are you sure about that ? Author: Ghost [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:51:07 03/21/24 Thu Agree 100%. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Are you sure about that ? Author: Richard (Kent) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:09:53 03/21/24 Thu Let's add a hypothetical. Let's say that Mitch gets Stanford. Possible, as is Vandy.Not Michigan. I think that at least Lee follows. Stanford and a pay day. Wow. And Brian moves from Cornell to Princeton and MacConnell gets Cornell. I would handicap this scenario at 25%.Mack was supposed to enter the portal yesterday. Didn't happen. Is Harvard going above and beyond? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Are you sure about that ? Author: sparman [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:50:47 03/21/24 Thu Not disagreeing that what you posit might happen. If I were Lee, I don't think I would turn down that scenario. Earl might also be a non-ivy target. And why not Valmas' favorite, Jones? HPY traditionally are in a different financial boat than Brown, Cornell, and others, as we hear reagrding financial aid. Will their donors step up and fund a collective? Will lacrosse alums support a basketball collective? We will see. Lots of moving parts. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: FWIW Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:31:25 03/26/24 Tue Looks like Dartmouth just got a nice donation that will be used for more FA (although still not at HYP levels). https://www.thedartmouth.com/article/2024/03/pennies-from-heaven-dartmouth-announces-largest-scholarship-bequest-in-its-history?fbclid=IwAR3jbgrep2sQniS_V18iLl56hTBlXdSFTjgKdyqSkhobuNzgL1c1M_SLVdU [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Are you sure about that ? Author: sparman [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:14:54 03/26/24 Tue Harvard may or may not be, but by now you are probably aware that Mack has reportedly entered the portal. https://www.on3.com/db/malik-mack-158447/ [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: NIL COLLECTIVES Author: Football Dad [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:59:34 03/21/24 Thu I'll put this in the context of a current real-world example. I recently started following this board because my son is being recruited to play football at an Ivy League school. I'm not going to say which one or identify us for what I hope are obvious reasons. At my income level, my son will likely get little, if any, tuition assistance. However, he could attend a number of other top-notch schools on athletic scholarship. I understand that many student-athletes benefit from need-based aid. Those who don't qualify for the aid, however, are faced with a tough choice: go to college at an excellent school for free or go to an Ivy for hundreds of thousands. It seems to me that Ivy League school collectives should be formed to offer NIL packages that cover tuition/attendance costs for prospective student-athletes. This would eliminate the financial burden faced by many families and make the Ivy League option more enticing. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: NIL COLLECTIVES Author: Ghost [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:51:23 03/21/24 Thu Sir, you make a valid point but please remember Ivy League schools have 30+, sometimes more, teams. You can't just make it about football, not in this league. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: NIL COLLECTIVES Author: Football Dad [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:20:16 03/21/24 Thu I didn't say NIL collectives have to be all about football. They aren't at many, if not most, other schools. My alma mater, for instance, has a collective that contributes funds to players in numerous sports. I know firsthand of a few schools that use NIL payments to supplement partial athletic scholarships in baseball and other equivalency sports to ensure the cost of attendance is covered. It is important to remember that NIL collectives are not established or run by the schools. They are established and run primarily by third-party boosters. There is nothing to stop a group of Ivy School boosters from establishing and running an NIL collective that primarily contributes to football, or for that matter, basketball or any other sport. The truth is you can make it all about football if you want—not that you should. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: NIL COLLECTIVES Author: IvyGuy1988 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:44:27 03/21/24 Thu We mainly see Ivy athletes being poached from football and basketball so why can’t the Ivy League focus on those 2 sports for NIL. H P and Y are all expected to lose premier players due to the fact that the athletes simply cannot pass up the financial opportunity to get their academics paid for as well as make extra money from NIL. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: NIL COLLECTIVES Author: Lurker [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 23:39:22 03/21/24 Thu If a player receives his degree is it really poaching? Some guys are leaving football programs with 1 year of Ivy eligibility (and 2 overall). But if i am notmistaken they almost all have their degree. And this is the last class impacted by covid. So i think things will go back to 1 year grad transfers for those that dont play as freshmen [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: NIL COLLECTIVES Author: Lurker [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:30:46 03/21/24 Thu I am living your (potential) pain. Full pay here. But not complaining. May not be true any longer but I seem to recall reading that fb players at Northwestern could only select a major from a list of 8. Even if offered I would not want a ride with those strings attached I think it is great that a student from a household with $100k income can pretty much attend any IL school free without loans. However, for those with middle to upper middle incomes in high cost of living states it is very difficult Some have commented in the past this is unfair. I wouldnt frame it that way. Perhaps it is unfortunate? If my wife wasnt highly successful in her field I would have no problem tells ng my son to apply to state univ honors program and ask to walk on fb team Whenever i read about either NIL or transfer portal i always think perhaps these will have small negative impacts but student athletes matriculate because the educational opportunity matters to them. The IL should lean into what makes it unique. My 2cents Oh, and Patriot League i think currently captures the “high academic, $250k hh income recruits with partial scholarships [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: NIL COLLECTIVES Author: Football Dad [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:05:55 03/22/24 Fri Yes, the FCS schools can give partial scholarships to football players. Some larger schools are using NIL to effectively give full scholarships to preferred walk-ons. I've sat through a couple of the presentations made by Ivys. Both had a section devoted to job prospects available to former football players, offered, it seemed, largely by former players. A group of successful former players could pool resources to create a NIL collective that exists to cover the costs of attendance for those families caught making a choice - either send my kid to school X for free or send my kid to school Z for hundreds of thousands of dollars. This just shouldn't be the choice families have to make in today's day and age - and, while I don't know the numbers, my guess is that there's a substantial number of families in our position. My guess is that one of the schools will do this within the next few years. It's too obvious and the playbook for implementing it is readily available. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: NIL COLLECTIVES Author: Lurker [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:13:48 03/22/24 Fri I do think NIL will come about, probably more from one or two hedge funders who do not care what the school thinks. Not hard to find 4 star qb with good grades on so ial media, suggest he reach out to dear ol alma mater if not already in touch, then sign a deal for any out of pocket expense plus $100k per year. 4 of those per year should do the trick Only thing i disagree with is that there is nothing inherently wrong about the choice facing today’s “financially above average” families. Yes, it kind of stinks that someone qualified can not afford to attend. But those folks have many other very good options. No one is entitled to an Ivy education, and awarding admission has never been a strict meritocracy. Policies are crafted to move schools towards their goals. As I said, would have sucked if my son couldnt attend - he has done well on the field and in the classroom - but he would have many other good options. Sounds like your son too has many great options [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: NIL COLLECTIVES Author: Lurker [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:21:58 03/22/24 Fri Let me ammend. Upon re-reading you were not suggesting there was anything wrong with the financial equation faced by some families, more that it is simply an obvious missed opportunity by IL schools to not take advantage of today’s rules I do agree with you on that. (Note to self, quick replies are not your friend) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: NIL COLLECTIVES Author: Football Dad [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:18:44 03/22/24 Fri Yes, that's my point exactly. I would be curious to see how many families are really impacted by this situation. I just don't know. I bet the programs know. In any event, every time I see Kyle Juszczyk playing on Sunday, I immediately think, "He played at Harvard." That has to be of value to the program, the school, and the Ivy League. It just seems to me that the Ivy League could use more Juszcyk-type players (that of course otherwise qualify), and my guess is that it would get them with NIL assistance. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]