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Subject: Re: I'd Rather Stay Out of The Cesspool For Now Author: Ivy Patriot [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 17:04:23 03/26/24 Tue In reply to: An Observer 's message, "I'd Rather Stay Out of The Cesspool For Now" on 16:44:10 03/26/24 Tue Going into the portal doesn't mean they will leave. Certainly they have a right to see investigate their free market value. Here's hoping they decide to stay put but it is hard to blame them for looking. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> Subject: Re: I'd Rather Stay Out of The Cesspool For Now Author: Richard (Kent) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:55:29 03/26/24 Tue C'mon, this is just silly. No way Ivy athletic alumni and boosters permit the drop to D-3. The Monday after Yale-Harvard football is a premium giving day. The publicity that Princeton garnered after the Sweet 16 couldn't be purchased for millions of marketing dollars.The lack of NIL and collectives is, as I posited previously absurd. Many Ivy grads would jump in in a second if they payments were deductible. I know this for a fact.Why does Brian Earl run,not walk to a sub-par conference. How does Mack eschew a Harvard drgree and access to the alumni network? Please tell me that many of you would't donate $500-$1000 to a collective to assist the scholar-athletes at your universities. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: FWIW Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:44:13 03/26/24 Tue Anyone who claims that he fears that the Ivy is headed to D-III but doesn't also mention the Dayton Rule isn't being serious... [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: FWIW Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 20:08:01 03/26/24 Tue For years whenever anybody has bemoaned a potential drop down to Division III, you've mentioned the Dayton Rule. And it's been a relevant consideration, so that's all good. In case you haven't noticed, the earth has started to shift and we are standing astride the San Andreas fault. Mentioning the Dayton Rule now is like a police officer reminding us that seat belts are mandatory as the other cars on the highway accelerate up to NASCAR speeds and we are still at 55 mph. Or to put it in terms that a Dartmouth graduate would absorb, you're the guy at the end of "Animal House" who tells everybody, "Remain calm. All is well" as Blutarsky and friends have started ransacking the downtown area and carrying away the beautiful blonde. The bad news for you is that the Dayton Rule is going to be left behind like the vestige of the old world that it is. It will no longer be relevant. The NCAA may not exist next year, so I'm not sure who would enforce it anyway. The good news is that one of us is going to become a United States Senator. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: FWIW Author: Sp [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 20:38:14 03/26/24 Tue These days, that could be the booby prize. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: If the NCAA disappears or gets rid of the Dayton Rule, we will talk.. Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 07:31:45 03/27/24 Wed Until then, you're to have to acknowledge that if the Ivy goes D-III in football or basketball, it will have to go D-III in all sports. And that doesn't seem plausible, does it? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: If the NCAA disappears or gets rid of the Dayton Rule, we will talk.. Author: sparman [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:41:36 03/27/24 Wed A year or two ago, how plausible was it that schools in CA would join the ACC? How plausible that "student athletes" would be getting openly paid more than pro players? AO is right. The Dayton Rule is purely a product of its time and circumstances, which have clearly changed. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: If the NCAA disappears or gets rid of the Dayton Rule, we will talk.. Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:09:37 03/27/24 Wed If the NCAA disappears, the most likely result is the Power 2 (or maybe Power 3) and... everyone else. Maybe there's some formation of divisions thereafter. But the Ivy will most likely be playing the same schools that it always has. There is just no reason to think that the Ivy will be relegated to playing Amherst, Williams, etc. whereas Colgate, Holy Cross, UNH, etc. play the military academies, UConn, and other D-1 leftovers. So please, enough with the Chicken Little D-III stuff... [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: If the NCAA disappears or gets rid of the Dayton Rule, we will talk.. Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:54:19 03/27/24 Wed First of all, the world has changed. Try to see beyond the immediate future. In my San Andreas analogy, you can see that the 50-story office building next to you is coming down. Dwayne the Rock Johnson and Alexandra D'Addario are coming up Wilshire Boulevard using a boat with an outboard motor, but you look around your own office and think, "So far, so good." The old Los Angeles is over. We can't predict how the new one will look, but we can predict with confidence that the old one is gone. Secondly, to me, Division III is no longer a Chicken Little calamity. That's the whole point of this thread. Read the headline. We run some of the best academic institutions in the country (although, to be fair, that may be changing, too). Following Ivy League sports and rooting for our teams has been fun in part because the kids are bona fide students. Richard Kent wants to get the Steve Ballmers to open up their checkbooks. And that's one choice available to us. I'm not interested. Why outspend your rival in the arms race when you have no interest in being in the arms race? I don't need to beat Auburn or Baylor or Arizona or Missouri to enjoy following Ivy League sports. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: If the NCAA disappears or gets rid of the Dayton Rule, we will talk.. Author: sparman [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:54:43 03/27/24 Wed It's not Chicken Little, it's considering options and developments. The landscape is changing. You can keep your head in the sand and pretend nothing will happen, or you can try to assess. Ivies may be playing the same schools, but some of those may be in a new division with new rules. D-3 may not continue to have the same parameters as currently. I am not predicting anything other than the possibility of changed rules, as opposed to your apparent view that they are immutable. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: That sounds a lot like what happened in 1981 Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:21:07 03/27/24 Wed And I think Ivy football has been just fine since then. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: That sounds a lot like what happened in 1981 Author: observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:01:04 03/27/24 Wed The gate suggests otherwise. It all depends on perspective. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]