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Subject: Helmet microphones ? Author: ivy guy [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 08:54:04 08/27/24 Tue Q: Can Ivy League football teams use technology that allows coaches to communicate with their QB and a defensive player (usually a LB)? I read that BCS teams have adopted microphones in 2024 similar to what the NFL has used for many years. Three weekends till Kickoff Go Bears ## [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Stayin' Alive, Stayin' Alive, Ha Ha Ha Ha, Stayin' Alive Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:26:15 08/27/24 Tue I'm going to miss the cardboard sign placards with their crazy symbols and logos being held up on the sidelines, not to mention the back-up quarterbacks signaling with their third-base coach arm-waving and Saturday Night Fever dance steps. I wonder how the microphone helmets will affect the teams which prefer not to huddle in order to get plays off more quickly. Specifically, the coaches can speak directly to the quarterback. But how does the quarterback then communicate the call to the other ten players on his team? He might be able to shout to his offensive linemen, but not to anybody lined up out wide. If he's going to signal to the wide-outs, then you're right back to nonverbal signaling. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: One possible answer... Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:32:56 08/27/24 Tue I would not be surprised if this technology ends up playing a role in all helmets down the road... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knGJ0T477UM Little known fact--the football huddle was invented by deaf players who were sick of the other team seeing what play they were doing to run when they called the play in sign language. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Stayin' Alive, Stayin' Alive, Ha Ha Ha Ha, Stayin' Alive Author: Lurker [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:50:36 08/27/24 Tue Have to be an obnoxious proud parent: my son was on of the most earnest “signers” in the league his freshman year! A true talent! I am so anxious to see how the Lions do Sep 21. Couldnt ask for a better barometer than Lafayette. Fingers crossed [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Stayin' Alive, Stayin' Alive, Ha Ha Ha Ha, Stayin' Alive Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:32:29 08/27/24 Tue Not obnoxious. If you're the starting quarterback, be the best passer and runner you can be. If you're the signer, be the most earnest signer you can be. I would actually love the opportunity to speak to a signer. The modern football offense can have a playbook with 100+ plays in it. Each play's designation in the playbook might have six or seven components in it: several words or phrases indicating how each of the backs, the wide-outs and the linemen align and then a separate phrase for the play itself. The play name might have six or seven words in it. And that's for every one of 100+ plays. How can the typical offensive cooridinator come up with distinct and easily visible signals for each of those 100+ plays? How often is a mistake made? I'm shocked that we don't see more often, after the ball is snapped, one player running off by himself in the wrong direction. You've got 50-80 offensive plays x 11 men on the field = 550-880 opportunties for a screw up per team per game. It's very impressive that we don't see more mistakes. I want to ask you son, "Why not?" [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Stayin' Alive, Stayin' Alive, Ha Ha Ha Ha, Stayin' Alive Author: Lurker [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:42:59 08/27/24 Tue 2 reasons I believe: Division of labor - different signers for different position groups Not the nfl - i believe what you describe is more nfl-type playcalling. College offensive schemes are more streamlined. (And that’s why getting in and out of the huddle is a big part of learning curve for rookie qb’s). Having said that, I am with you on wondering how you come up with signals for just all the different presnap motions [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Stayin' Alive, Stayin' Alive, Ha Ha Ha Ha, Stayin' Alive Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:35:58 08/27/24 Tue Question about Columbia signaling: Historically, when a team had two or three signalers on the sidelines waving their arms furiously, one or two of the signalers was a fake, to make sure that the defense could not pick up on the play call. At Columbia, are you saying that the second and third signalers are there for specific position groups? If so, I would imagine that, from series to series in the same game, the signalers change position groups, again to keep the defense from connecting specific signals to specific plays. If so, that would be another place where the chain could break. Can you imagine being a split end lined up on the far end of the field away from his bench suddenly asking himself, "Wait, am I supposed to watch my guy with the red baseball cap or blue baseball cap?" [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Stayin' Alive, Stayin' Alive, Ha Ha Ha Ha, Stayin' Alive Author: Lurker [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:50:25 08/27/24 Tue I am sworn to secrecy [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Stayin' Alive, Stayin' Alive, Ha Ha Ha Ha, Stayin' Alive Author: GP [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:28:13 09/06/24 Fri Division of labor is the easiest way to get your signs stolen. The o-line needs much less information and as a result you can identify the difference in run/pass signals very quickly. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Helmet microphones ? Author: Fear the Quaker [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:26:49 08/27/24 Tue Joe Namath called his own plays in the Super Bowl. It is amazing where the game is. I have my curmudgeon hat on today. :) Next up digital readouts on you thigh pads (if you wear them) and Elon Musk implanting game film chips in your brainstem. Go Quakers!!! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Helmet microphones ? Author: Bo b S [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:37:01 08/27/24 Tue Football has turned Human Chess. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Helmet microphones ? Author: sparman [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:40:30 08/27/24 Tue So can you call for a timeout if the headphone goes out right before the snap, or if there is "static interference" as is sometimes alleged in some NFL stadia? I'll leave now. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Helmet microphones ? Author: RedWin [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:34:34 08/27/24 Tue I am not a fan of either the headphones or the no-huddle. Football is a game about teamwork and let the players play. Now we have teams stealing signs and a someone will eventually figure out how to hack into a headset calls. When I played the OC would give the QB a few plays to be called in the huddle or substitute players would run into the huddle with the next play. As a former offensive guard that's how I got on the field was running in a play to the huddle. That's how a lot of players would get on the field for both offense and defense. In our offense, the QB would call the formation and the series, then he would audible which hole we were running or option that turned into a passing play. Many times our QB would say, F&%K that play here is what we are running. This non-sense of having the coaches control everything is ridiculous. You look at great teams like the Dallas Cowboys when Troy Ailman was QB I am sure there were many dozens of plays he checked out of at the line of scrimmage and called his own play. Let the kids play football! That's how they grow and learn. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: The Multiple Impacts of Helmet Microphones Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:18:20 09/05/24 Thu I learned over the last two weekends that college coaches can talk to their quarterback and one designated defensive player from the time the previous play ends until there are fifteen seconds left on the play clock. I can see two interesting aspects of this timeframe: (1) If the offense, like many in the Ivy League, does NOT huddle and goes right back into its formation, the offensive coordinator can see how the defense lines up and pass along any observations he sees. This is a huge advantage for the offense, new to this season. (2) If the offensive coordinator is slow to choose a play and start communicating to his quarterback, it is entirely possible that they will hit the 15-second cutoff. Then what will they do? By then, it will too late to start the traditional signaling from the sidelines. The team may need to waste a time-out. The helmets with microphones in them will play an outsized role for at least a few games this season. The well organized, quick thinking teams will get to the line early and force the defense to show its formation. The disorganized, slow thinking teams will have some of their play calls cut off midstream and probably blow a few time-outs this season. This will be another opportunity for the better coaches to outpeform relative to the weaker coaches. Who will win this battle? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Likely... Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:34:26 09/05/24 Thu ... the team with the veteran quarterback will win the battle. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Likely... Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:58:33 09/05/24 Thu I don't think the quarterback will be driving the timeliness of communication. It'll be the offensive coordinator. This season will be a tough one for any brand new OC just learning the role. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]