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Subject: Now *THIS* Is How You Play Poker Author: An Observer [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 14:24:32 09/12/24 Thu In reply to: sparman 's message, "Pac 12 gets a refresh" on 13:13:33 09/12/24 Thu Wow, this is high stakes poker. As you might know, the Mountain West Conference bailed out Washington State and Oregon State last year. WSU and OSU were told by the other Pac-12 schools that they would not honor commitments to play the Cougars and Beavers in football as they departed for the Big Ten and ACC. WSU and OSU needed football opponents in 2024 and the Mountain West Conference stepped into the breach, in return for a cash payment of $14 million from the each of the two Pac-12 schools. WSU and OSU were negotiating with the Mountain West Conference about the 2025 season when the two sides announced that they had failed to meet their self-imposed deadline of September 1. Now we know why the two Pac-12 schools felt that they had some negotiating leverage. At that exact same time, WSU and OSU were in talks to STEAL FOUR MOUNTAIN WEST schools. This is hard ball diplomacy. I would love to talk to administrators from Boise State, Colorado State, CSU Fresno and San Diego State about what drew them to the Pac-12 two. There is a very real possibility that more Mountain West schools will bolt for the Pac-12 if Cal and Stanford do not return. Then the MWC might collapse. Just as the Pac-12 did. And there might be two or four MWC schools left with no chairs when the music stops. Just as with the Pac-12. What a drama. What a turnaround. When I fly to the west coast, I try to stay for at least a few days to spare myself the damage to my circadian rhythm. Last Thursday night, a friend called out of the blue and asked if I could meet him for dinner on Friday night in Las Vegas. Out I went. Then back East on the redeye Sunday night. News flash to Cal and Stanford: That rapid transcontinental turnaround is going to get very old very quickly. I would not at all be surprised if Cal and Stanford opt back if the Pac-12 can get their economics to a point where they are in the same ballpark as the ACC. Especially after a year's worth of experience flying to the East Coast for midweek games in non-football sports. How delicious would it be if the Pac-12 insists that Cal and Stanford pay their initial exit fee even if they return? I would love that. What a save executed by Washington State and Oregon State. Their Hail Mary pass has been caught for a touchdown! [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> Subject: Re: Now *THIS* Is How You Play Poker Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:31:12 09/12/24 Thu This hardball diplomacy reminds me of Japanese foreign service officers negotiating with their American counterparts about how to de-escalate tensions in Asia, but then informing the US State Department the decision had been made that the dialogue was not productive and would be discontinued. On December 6, 1941. History repeats itself. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Hard to go all-in against pocket Aces. Author: observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:54:36 09/13/24 Fri The Pac-12 will never get finances to the level of the other 4. The late start times away from East Coast primetime for big games, in the sports that matter to TV will always mean less media revenue. The B1G strategy of covering multiple time zones is important... right now the B1G is betting that a true national profile will mean the most to media buyers. The SEC is betting on football as 1, 1A, and 1B. Eventually, they will want a west coast presence. The ACC is basically a 2 time zone conference. And the fact that they have so many private schools, means that they don't have the 'subway alumni' reach that B1G and SEC schools have. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Now *THIS* Is How You Play Poker Author: The Hangover [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:39:56 09/13/24 Fri Why AO, you ole hound dog. What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas😉! Amirite? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Now *THIS* Is How You Play Poker Author: The Hair of the Dog [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:15:04 09/13/24 Fri Still jealous? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Now *THIS* Is How You Play Poker Author: Dewey [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:20:21 09/14/24 Sat “Instead of denigrating somebody else’s lifestyle online, you should try to improve your own.” — Teddy Roosevelt [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Now *THIS* Is How You Play Poker Author: joiseyfan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:29:13 09/14/24 Sat so at long last we’ve ended up here… https://cdn.europosters.eu/image/750webp/19663.webp woof [ Post a Reply to This Message ]