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Subject: Re: Empire Cup, Lou Little Trophy, Liberty Cup …


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RedWin
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Date Posted: 13:49:47 11/26/24 Tue
In reply to: Washington Lion 's message, "Empire Cup, Lou Little Trophy, Liberty Cup …" on 11:49:09 11/25/24 Mon

I think the Empire Bowl game should be moved to NYC every year because Cornell actually draws better in the City in late November than we would in Ithaca. Secondly Cornell has two campuses in NYC with Cornell Tech Park and the Medical School. In reality the money to support Cornell athletics is in NYC and not Ithaca especially in late November. Finally this coming weekend is the Big Apple Classic hockey game at MSG, so playing both games within a week's time in NYC just makes sense.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Empire Cup, Lou Little Trophy, Liberty Cup …


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Old Lion (NYC)
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Date Posted: 15:45:16 11/26/24 Tue

Cornell brings out a nice crowd to Baker Field. I would be surprised if Cornell ever agrees to it, but it would make a lot of sense.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Empire Cup, Lou Little Trophy, Liberty Cup …


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RedWin
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Date Posted: 11:38:42 11/27/24 Wed

A bunch of alums were also attending the hockey game at MSG this coming Saturday. It's a waste to play the game in Ithaca in late November, which is the best time of year to visit New York City. This could also be a recruiting event for Cornell seniors to travel to the City for job interviews prior to the game and then stay for the weekend. Most of our students blow off classes during Thanksgiving week anyways. If properly promoted I think we could easily draw 10k plus to NYC for this game. We would raise more money and it would be great recruiting for both Cornell and Columbia. Go Big Red!

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Empire Cup, Lou Little Trophy, Liberty Cup …


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Uptown
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Date Posted: 12:26:31 11/28/24 Thu

I have Fordham ties. The shame was how the ridiculous CU band crossed a line with some of their comments about Fordham and Catholicism. The idiot band leader went from the band's typical (and often funny) irreverence to insult. He thought he was being funny. He was just being an arse. FU v. CU should be a great rivalry. But my Lions band ruined it. Seems a lot of stuff gets ruined on Morningside Heights.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: If we are thinking about the same thing


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 19:00:58 11/28/24 Thu


The underlying subject matter was 1,000 times more outrageous than the joke.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: If we are thinking about the same thing


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Uptown
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Date Posted: 07:51:42 11/29/24 Fri

Except I don't know anyone who was there who thought the joke was funny. BTW, what happened to our band?

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Go Green
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Date Posted: 09:37:39 11/29/24 Fri


Saying that the joke wasn't funny is one thing. Saying that it was offensive to Catholics is quite another.

The joke was no more "Anti-Catholic" than the movie "Spotlight."

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: If we are thinking about the same thing


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Washington Lion (Sounds right)
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Date Posted: 13:19:00 11/29/24 Fri

In fairness, I don't remember any of the jokes being funny. There was a modest band at the two home games I attended this year. Perhaps a work in progress.

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[> [> Subject: Playing at a venue that would get the biggest draw...


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 11:23:17 12/01/24 Sun


.... was pretty much the way the league operated for most of its history. Eventually, the "visitors" got sick of being a traveling show and demanded home-and-homes.

Sure, playing in NYC might bring some short-term benefits. But it would only be a matter of time before Cornell sees the unfairness of playing Columbia on the road every year.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Playing at a venue that would get the biggest draw... I Hope They're Grateful


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 16:39:39 12/03/24 Tue

Clearly, having Dartmouth play at Yale Bowl and Palmer Stadium every single season, year in and year out, is unfair from a competitiveness standpoint.

But the athletic directors at Dartmouth, Yale and Princeton are all consenting adults. What they choose to do in the privacy of their bedrooms -- I mean, boardrooms -- is their business.

The operative word here is "business."

Dartmouth, I presume, concluded that traveling to New Haven and Central New Jersey every single season, while a negative from the standpoint of winning football games, was an attractive business proposition. Like a lanky cornerback facing Derrick Henry running at him full speed, sometimes a sound business decision can be made quickly, even if it does not appear so to the uninitiated.

I would hazard a guess that the policy was reversed not when a Dartmouth AD suddenly realized, "Hey, this is unfair!" but rather when the crowds and the gate at the Bowl and Palmer had shrunk to the point where the pie was too small to tolerate the potential negative impact on the W-L record.

Nobody changed their mind because of fairness, equity or doing the right thing.

They changed their mind when the dollars dried up.

As in so many elements of college football, the Ivies pioneered what eventually spread nationwide to the Alabama's and Texas' of the landscape. Then, having spread our seed, we withdrew to comfortable chairs in our secret societies and eating clubs to watch the mighty Crimson Tide host Mercer University.

I hope that all those pretty blonde coeds and their drunk tie-wearing dates at Bryant-Denny or Darrell K. Royal are mindful that their beloved autumn ritual was created entirely by the people they now disdain: those detested ivory tower Ivy Leaguers at Yale and Princeton.

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