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Subject: Re: Malachi Hosely Author: John Harvard [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 12:05:04 12/02/24 Mon In reply to: Know-it-all 's message, "Malachi Hosely" on 20:06:26 11/23/24 Sat The Basketball Board seems to be way ahead on this. Ivy players building a resume for a year or two and then cashing in is becoming pervasive. Penn lost Perkins to Villanova, Yale lost Wolf to Michigan, Harvard lost Mack to Georgetown and Okpara to Stanford, and there are others. Why move? 1. NIL $. I don't know numbers, but I read Mack was looking at $250,000. Pittsburgh's Addison apparently received close to $1.0M to transfer to USC. 2. Full athletic scholarship as Ivy's only provide need based aid. 3. Pick of school. Hosely might love Penn, but he likely has multiple options now. The "40 year decision" argument doesn't hold water when you are considering Stanford or Georgetown or one of many other fine institutions. 4. Location. Hosely appears to be from Georgia. Mack returned to DC and Perkins stayed local at Villanova. Again, if Hosely wants to be closer to home he now can likely get a full ride + cash to do so. Having no idea where Hosely is going or what his financial deal at Penn is, I'm hard pressed to think that a kid from Georgia, presumably with no connection to Penn, wouldn't have initially chosen a school like Georgia Tech (ACC) or others like it if tuition was free, he received an annual NIL stipend, and he could be closer to home. By the way and for what it's worth, tabloids like the NY Post are claiming that kids are eschewing the elitist northeastern institutions like the Ivy League for state colleges with 100,000 seat stadiums. As much as that is ridiculous, they (or their parents) just cast 77M votes for that mentality. I believe that the exception now is when a top player excels in their freshman and/or sophomore year(s) and decides to stay put, pay for school, scrounge for cash, and have limited competition, exposure and post-season prospects. Note that players are sitting out their senior seasons in Ivy basketball in order to retain eligibility after graduation. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> Subject: Brave New World Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:57:39 12/02/24 Mon John Harvard sums up the situation fairly. If the Ivy League stays with our current sports model, we will fade from even the modest relevance we currently maintain. And I'm okay with that. Big time college football and men's basketball are headed someplace really ugly. Right now, I want no part of it as a fan or as an alumnus of an Ivy League college. Let Ohio State fans complain about Ryan Day mismanaging his $20 million roster. I don't want to read comments like that here on this board. By the way, this is a completely reversible decision. If at some point in the future, we in the Ivy League changed our minds and wanted to dive into the cesspool, we could. We've got the institutional and alumni dollars. We just don't want that stench around our campuses. Don't get me wrong. I'm going to miss Yale beating Auburn and Princeton making the Sweet Sixteen. Those were great times for the athletes and the university communities. But if the price of poker is a multi-million dollar roster, I want no part of it. The New York Post is correct in that America just gave a giant middle finger to the educated class in this country. That's the reality we live in. Adapt and persevere. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Brave New World Author: John Harvard (Cooper Barkate) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:40:53 12/02/24 Mon Cooper Barkate - the Ivy's leading receiver by yardage - joins the portal. Barkate, who previously stated he'd be back next year, is a Junior but on track to graduate with a degree this spring. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Brave New World Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:02:03 12/02/24 Mon So Barkate is a junior academically in 2024-25, but has the enough academic credits to take extra classes in the spring of 2025 to the point where he can graduate in June? Well, then, he's won. He's going to have the best of both worlds, a Harvard education and diploma, followed by a big time football experience in front of stands packed with fans and probably a few hundred thousand $ to boot. It's not great news for Harvard fans of course, but I think this is a happy story all around. Kid comes to Harvard, thrives on the football field while getting it done in the classroom, then takes advantage of the system to taste the big time while cashing a paycheck. If this is the new model for the best of our Ivy football and basketball players, this is a win. Sure, we get these kids for only three seasons instead of four but, if they're that good in the classroom, why should we stand in their way? The difference between Barkate and the sad stories around Mack/Wolf is that this guy will have a Harvard degree. I applaud him. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Hmmm.... Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:03:25 12/02/24 Mon Not sure Dartmouth fans felt that way when Evan Boudreaux left Hanover with a diploma... Of course, he bailed on the MBB team in the middle of training camp. Again, I give credit to Barkate (and Hosley) for giving the coaches plenty of heads up that they were planning to leave. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Brave New World Author: Sr, Punter [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:32:03 12/02/24 Mon NIL and Ivy Financial Aid don't play well together. Tuition will be deducted from FA packages. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Brave New World Author: John Harvard (Foreign Wrinkle) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:40:02 12/03/24 Tue I've read that foreign students can't receive NIL because they don't have a work visa. Also, referring to an earlier post, why feel bad for a player who willingly decides to leave? Need to assume he/she consciously gave up on an Ivy degree in favor of new circumstances. It's also not fair to minimize the education and brand of other schools. Specifically, how do you argue that Georgetown (Mack who is from DC) and Stanford (Okpara) aren't "40 year" choices? Our Hubris is showing and, as I alluded to, in these uncertain and upside down time, Northeast elite institutions are being attacked. Just yesterday, Penny Pritzker from Harvard's board pf overseers felt the need to publish an expanation as to why federal funds should continue to flow to institutions like ours. For the time being, education and expertise aren't being held and respected as they once were and should be. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Brave New World Author: M3 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:19:15 12/02/24 Mon "Big time college football and men's basketball are headed someplace really ugly" So are Track Golf Ice Hockey Lacrosse (men and womens) Womens Basketball Field Hockey Soccer (men and womens) IL athletics are headed towards irrelevance [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Brave New World Author: Turk [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:13:46 12/02/24 Mon I agree with An Observer completely. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]