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Subject: Malachi Hosely Author: Know-it-all [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 20:06:26 11/23/24 Sat Enters transfer portal. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Re: Malachi Hosely Author: Bob S [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:23:16 11/23/24 Sat Not surprised-I think there needs to be conversation amongst both the Ivy and Patriot administrations. Are they happy being farm leagues? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Give him credit for… Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:52:05 11/24/24 Sun Doing it as soon as the season ended. Teevens always said that he was fine with players leaving for whatever reason. He only requested that the player do so well in advance so that the coaches could make the necessary adjustments for next season through recruiting priorities or switching player’s positions. Hosely’s timing fits the bill here. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Give him credit for… Author: Ivy Inquisitor [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:41:30 11/29/24 Fri Has Malachi Hosely given any indication of why he’s exiting Penn. The move sounds strange. Penn has found Alek Torgersen’s replacement, They look like serious contenders for 2025. Dose Malachi Hosely expect to be in a better offensive situation than Penn? Their offense is largely built around him. Did postseason or scholarship play a role? Anyone knows Penn knows after every breath they take they proclaim that they’re a part of the Ivy League. So did he grow tired of hearing it? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Give him credit for… Author: Warrior II [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:48:43 11/30/24 Sat Big money offered. Everyone who cares about him has advised him he is making a mistake. Short term windfall vs. long term investment coupled with pride in graduating from world class university [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Malachi Hosely/The Road To Irrelevance is Wide Open Author: M3 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:19:57 11/29/24 Fri If you are an outstanding football player/basketball player/ice hockey player/lacrosse player and you can go to Penn State/Vanderbilt/Notre Dame/ Duke/Northwestern for free AND get paid why wouldn't you? For example Top lacrosse players at ND are making 70K$ a year and free tuition/room/board and winning national championships. Given that "In 2021, the NCAA started allowing athletes to be paid for the use of their name, image, and likeness in endorsement deals. This NIL policy also paved the way for the formation of “collectives,” which are groups of supporters who raise sometimes millions of dollars to lure or retain key players at their chosen schools." And the Ivies at this time will not allow collectives what is going to happen to the quality of Ivy league sports. Also, at the same time some schools , like Princeton, are cutting athletic slots. Future is not bright. Enjoy it while you can. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Yep Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:49:24 11/29/24 Fri The same type of angst was prevalent on the Ivy basketball board for the same reasons when their young studs entered the transfer portal. Dartmouth fans are hoping that Owen Zalc doesn't go anywhere. Of course, if his demeanor on the sidelines was any indication, he *does* seem to be having fun in Hanover. You can't put a price tag on that!! :) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Collectives Author: DFW HOYA [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:39:36 12/04/24 Wed "And the Ivies at this time will not allow collectives what is going to happen to the quality of Ivy league sports." Schools have no legal means to bar collectives, per the courts. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Malachi Hosely Author: Lurker [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:46:58 11/29/24 Fri I am not certain that a school can “not allow collectives.” The whole NIL ruling is that ncaa regs can not prevent a person from making money from third party entities I am still waiting for a billionaire IL alumnus to decide to take action and spread some of those sweet sweet NIL dollars among recruits, transfers and returnees to insure an IL championship [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Malachi Hosely Author: M3 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:09:32 11/29/24 Fri And why not? If Jeff Bezos (fill in the blank for your favorite rich alum) wants to give the 5 starters on the hoops team $50K each a year how can the univeristy administrations stop it? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Malachi Hosely Author: Tiger69 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:34:33 11/29/24 Fri Think of it. With Ivy NILsThink of it. A good athlete could spend a year at harvard, Yale, Princeton, and say, Columbia, graduate from one of them, and have FOUR Ivies on his/her resume! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Malachi Hosely Author: Lurker [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:49:41 11/29/24 Fri Well admissions is still involved, correct. Wouldn't be bad to go to any IL school play 4 years and make $200k per year so after taxes and tuition you still have a little bit of money to start you off after graduating. I would think 3 top level fbs guys a year would be enough to put a team over the top. Just a mere $2.5M [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Malachi Hosely Author: Old Lion (other RBs) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 07:38:54 12/02/24 Mon I think that Hosely is a good back, but not as good as the Dartmouth RB, Q Jones. I think that Giorgi, Pitsenberger and Hosely were all excellent, but in terms of his overall importance to his team I think our guy Giorgi would be my choice if I had to pick only one back. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Malachi Hosely Author: Bengal [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:37:19 12/02/24 Mon He is better than good, IMO. All four backs are excellent, and overall importance to the team may be its own category. But the coaches picked Hosely as the only unanimous offensive first team All-Ivy and he averaged nearly two yards more per carry than Q. That is not a knock on him or the other guys who I think averaged a bit less than Hosely. And Hosely ran for what, 1100+ yards? I would not want to face any of them, but, just my opinion, Hosely most of all. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Malachi Hosely Author: John Harvard [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:05:04 12/02/24 Mon The Basketball Board seems to be way ahead on this. Ivy players building a resume for a year or two and then cashing in is becoming pervasive. Penn lost Perkins to Villanova, Yale lost Wolf to Michigan, Harvard lost Mack to Georgetown and Okpara to Stanford, and there are others. Why move? 1. NIL $. I don't know numbers, but I read Mack was looking at $250,000. Pittsburgh's Addison apparently received close to $1.0M to transfer to USC. 2. Full athletic scholarship as Ivy's only provide need based aid. 3. Pick of school. Hosely might love Penn, but he likely has multiple options now. The "40 year decision" argument doesn't hold water when you are considering Stanford or Georgetown or one of many other fine institutions. 4. Location. Hosely appears to be from Georgia. Mack returned to DC and Perkins stayed local at Villanova. Again, if Hosely wants to be closer to home he now can likely get a full ride + cash to do so. Having no idea where Hosely is going or what his financial deal at Penn is, I'm hard pressed to think that a kid from Georgia, presumably with no connection to Penn, wouldn't have initially chosen a school like Georgia Tech (ACC) or others like it if tuition was free, he received an annual NIL stipend, and he could be closer to home. By the way and for what it's worth, tabloids like the NY Post are claiming that kids are eschewing the elitist northeastern institutions like the Ivy League for state colleges with 100,000 seat stadiums. As much as that is ridiculous, they (or their parents) just cast 77M votes for that mentality. I believe that the exception now is when a top player excels in their freshman and/or sophomore year(s) and decides to stay put, pay for school, scrounge for cash, and have limited competition, exposure and post-season prospects. Note that players are sitting out their senior seasons in Ivy basketball in order to retain eligibility after graduation. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Brave New World Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:57:39 12/02/24 Mon John Harvard sums up the situation fairly. If the Ivy League stays with our current sports model, we will fade from even the modest relevance we currently maintain. And I'm okay with that. Big time college football and men's basketball are headed someplace really ugly. Right now, I want no part of it as a fan or as an alumnus of an Ivy League college. Let Ohio State fans complain about Ryan Day mismanaging his $20 million roster. I don't want to read comments like that here on this board. By the way, this is a completely reversible decision. If at some point in the future, we in the Ivy League changed our minds and wanted to dive into the cesspool, we could. We've got the institutional and alumni dollars. We just don't want that stench around our campuses. Don't get me wrong. I'm going to miss Yale beating Auburn and Princeton making the Sweet Sixteen. Those were great times for the athletes and the university communities. But if the price of poker is a multi-million dollar roster, I want no part of it. The New York Post is correct in that America just gave a giant middle finger to the educated class in this country. That's the reality we live in. Adapt and persevere. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Brave New World Author: John Harvard (Cooper Barkate) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:40:53 12/02/24 Mon Cooper Barkate - the Ivy's leading receiver by yardage - joins the portal. Barkate, who previously stated he'd be back next year, is a Junior but on track to graduate with a degree this spring. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Brave New World Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:02:03 12/02/24 Mon So Barkate is a junior academically in 2024-25, but has the enough academic credits to take extra classes in the spring of 2025 to the point where he can graduate in June? Well, then, he's won. He's going to have the best of both worlds, a Harvard education and diploma, followed by a big time football experience in front of stands packed with fans and probably a few hundred thousand $ to boot. It's not great news for Harvard fans of course, but I think this is a happy story all around. Kid comes to Harvard, thrives on the football field while getting it done in the classroom, then takes advantage of the system to taste the big time while cashing a paycheck. If this is the new model for the best of our Ivy football and basketball players, this is a win. Sure, we get these kids for only three seasons instead of four but, if they're that good in the classroom, why should we stand in their way? The difference between Barkate and the sad stories around Mack/Wolf is that this guy will have a Harvard degree. I applaud him. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Hmmm.... Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:03:25 12/02/24 Mon Not sure Dartmouth fans felt that way when Evan Boudreaux left Hanover with a diploma... Of course, he bailed on the MBB team in the middle of training camp. Again, I give credit to Barkate (and Hosley) for giving the coaches plenty of heads up that they were planning to leave. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Brave New World Author: Sr, Punter [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:32:03 12/02/24 Mon NIL and Ivy Financial Aid don't play well together. Tuition will be deducted from FA packages. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Brave New World Author: John Harvard (Foreign Wrinkle) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:40:02 12/03/24 Tue I've read that foreign students can't receive NIL because they don't have a work visa. Also, referring to an earlier post, why feel bad for a player who willingly decides to leave? Need to assume he/she consciously gave up on an Ivy degree in favor of new circumstances. It's also not fair to minimize the education and brand of other schools. Specifically, how do you argue that Georgetown (Mack who is from DC) and Stanford (Okpara) aren't "40 year" choices? Our Hubris is showing and, as I alluded to, in these uncertain and upside down time, Northeast elite institutions are being attacked. Just yesterday, Penny Pritzker from Harvard's board pf overseers felt the need to publish an expanation as to why federal funds should continue to flow to institutions like ours. For the time being, education and expertise aren't being held and respected as they once were and should be. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Brave New World Author: M3 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:19:15 12/02/24 Mon "Big time college football and men's basketball are headed someplace really ugly" So are Track Golf Ice Hockey Lacrosse (men and womens) Womens Basketball Field Hockey Soccer (men and womens) IL athletics are headed towards irrelevance [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Brave New World Author: Turk [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:13:46 12/02/24 Mon I agree with An Observer completely. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Malachi Hosely Author: Fear the Quaker [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:07:54 12/02/24 Mon All the best to Malachi Hosely. I will miss watching him wearing the Red & Blue, but I hope to see him doing bigger and better things on the football field. Good luck and follow your dreams. Go Quakers :) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Malachi Hosely/Ryan Butler Author: Ivy Patriot [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:34:45 12/02/24 Mon Former Princeton running back Ryan Butler has entered the portal after seeing little action in two seasons at Stanford. He's just a junior but hope he's getting that Stanford degree. First Princeton, then Stanford and now? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Malachi Hosely/Ryan Butler Author: Bengal [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:09:56 12/02/24 Mon 25 carries and 3 receptions in his two years on the Stanford roster. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Malachi Hosely/Ryan Butler Author: Old Lion (Hosely versus Q) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:29:18 12/03/24 Tue based upon our head to head competition with Penn and Dartmouth, my vote would go to Q. We had a really good defense and controlled or minimized the run game against all of our opponents including Penn but had no ability to control Q, who I thought had everything you would want to see in a RB. As far as overall value to his team, I thought that Georgi had a tremendous senior year. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Malachi Hosely/Ryan Butler Author: Ivy Patriot [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:40:55 12/03/24 Tue Checking the statistics, Jones had two games over 100 yards this year with a high of 182 yards against Columbia. Hosley had seven games over 100 yards with a high of 192. Jones ran for 155 yards over the last four games combined. Hosley had 548 yards over the last four games combined. Do the math and in the last four games Jones averaged 38.8 yards. Hosley averaged 137 yards. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Malachi Hosely/Ryan Butler Author: Bob S [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:12:49 12/04/24 Wed Watching Hoesly against Cornell he struck me a remarkable running back and I opined that NFL scouts might give him a look. Individuals like Hosely have remarkable academic credentials to get into a school like Penn. He will thrive academically wherever he goes. The same goes for others Wolf, Opara, Mack who are currently at institutions that one would consider of equivalent value to the Ivies. Wasn't that the basis for the Court decision which threw out the Court Case of the former Brown athletes? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Malachi Hosely/Ryan Butler Author: Lurker [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:53:34 12/04/24 Wed One third of recruited fb players are statistically indistinguishable from avg IL student. Most others are 1 std deviation away from avg [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Malachi Hosely Author: IvySportsJunkie [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:13:08 12/05/24 Thu I have been actively involved in Ivy admissions interviews for decades. I have noticed a dramatic improvement in the academic qualifications of the recruited athletes, especially in football, basketball, baseball, etc. I agree that most of the athletes are indistinguishable from the average students and virtually all the athletes are very strong students. Keep in mind that the quality of the average Ivy admitted student in terms of number of AP tests, GPA and SAT scores has significantly improved over the past 20 years and it is so much harder to get into our schools. Thus, the 1 standard deviation away from the average is significantly higher than before. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Malachi Hosely Author: John Harvard (Harvard Recruit SAT's) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:18:38 12/05/24 Thu Today's Harvard Crimson reports that SAT scores of recruited athletes increased by more than 100 points from the previous year. "Recruited athletes in the Class of 2028 scored an average of 1479, while athletes in the Class of 2027 had an average score of 1368." "Non-recruited students reported an average of 1525, compared with the average of recruited athletes sitting at 1479." Because Harvard elimated its standard testing requirment starting with the Class of 2024, that was consistent between these years. Harvard has reinstated the standardized test requirment for the Class of 2029. The closing gap between recruited athletes and other students might have been impacted if more athletes chose not to take the tests. Presumably, the typical non-recruited athlete relies on his/her stellar scores to get accepted. For those of us looking at these scores and wondering how we'd be competitive today, note that the numerical test results were adjusted upwards decades ago. Reportedly, this was so that strong test scores could achieve 800's or close thereto, clustering/adding more students at the top numerically, not just percentile wise. About 10 years ago, my son and I did some research and calculations and concluded that his scores in the 1500's was comparable to mine in the 1400's. There are more perjorative hypotheses of why this skewing upwards was done, but I'll leave that for the cesspools of social media to discuss, not here in our escapist haven. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Malachi Hosely Author: Lurker [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:33:02 12/05/24 Thu Not to put too fine a point on it but would emphasize that “statistically indistinguishable” would be within one std deviation, not necessarily equivalent to [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Malachi Hosely Author: Drew2411 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:28:00 12/08/24 Sun I have talked to numerous high school coaches who have sent athletes to Ivy schools over last 3 decades. To a person, they have said much easier to get in now as a recruited athlete than 15-20 years ago. As pointed out, SAT scores have been curved higher and grade inflation is rampant. Hardest part is being good enough to get recruited. Talent level much higher now in Ivies [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Malachi Hosely Author: IvySportsJunkie [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:46:43 12/09/24 Mon Drew2411 - I do not doubt you have connections with many high school coaches. That said, I strongly disagree with your statement that it is much easier to get in the Ivy League as a recruited athlete today than decades ago. At Ivy games, they have large tailgates set aside for returning former varsity athletes. We also get together for various reunions, such as celebration anniversaries of our Ivy Championship teams. These events allow us to gather across several generation of classes of Ivy athletes to catch up and discuss various topics. When we get together, a common discussion item is how we recognize that so many of us would have minimal chance of meeting today's far more rigorous academic standards for the current Ivy teams. To be more specific, our former varsity teams each had a number of athletes with either below 3.0 GPA in high school or well below 600 SAT scores. Even adjusting for the upward curves in the current standards for SAT and GPAs, these formerly Ivy recruited athletes would have Zero chance of passing admissions today. To further illustrate how much tougher it is to get into our Ivy schools, let’s look at the admissions rate trends for Ivy League universities over the past 25 years. Using Harvard and Yale, the 1997 admissions rate was 12 percent for Harvard and 19 percent for Yale. By 2017, the admissions rates had declined to 5 percent for Harvard and 7 percent for Yale. In 2024 for the class of 2028, Harvard’s admissions acceptance rate was down to 3.6 percent whereas Yales rate was only 3.7 percent. It is brutally tough to get into the Ivies today. If you look at admissions rates in the 1970s and 1980s, the admissions acceptance rates were even significantly higher. Bottom line, it clearly is far more difficult for both the general student body and the recruited athletes to get admitted today to the Ivies as compared to prior generations. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]